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Reddit: child porn distributor?
psyck0
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I'm not a reddit-er, but I discovered this today:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/1006qd/meta_project_panda_the_fuckredditbomb/
It is devoted to getting exposing content including child porn, voyeur images taken without consent, and one at least one (apparently very popular) guy's videos of what essentially amounts to rape.
There's some good evidence that this stuff has the tacit support of the owners of the site, including this nice quote:
This is completely ignoring the well-documented misogynism of the "men's rights" groups on the site, which are fairly large but unfortunately legal.
Not being a reddit-er I knew nothing about this. I am certain it contributes a small volume of their traffic overall, but it is still absolutely reprehensible and disgusting, and the owners have no interest in stopping it and have in fact spoken out in favour of letting it continue, despite the fact that much of it is illegal. Given that this has the support of the owners, I would personally be in favour of taking the entire site down if they refuse to clean house.
Anyway, did you guys know about this? Should the site come down (or at least have that on the table as a threat if they refuse to get rid of the illegal and exploitative shit they are knowingly hosting)? I'm not usually a supporter of "think of the children hargleblargle" but a lot of this stuff is outright illegal and all of it is absolutely disgusting. I hope that it doesn't backfire into some stupid movement for internet censorship or monitoring.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/1006qd/meta_project_panda_the_fuckredditbomb/
It is devoted to getting exposing content including child porn, voyeur images taken without consent, and one at least one (apparently very popular) guy's videos of what essentially amounts to rape.
The owners of reddit know there is active trading of child porn on their forums and refuse to do anything about it. Any reports are deleted and ignored. Further, Reddit's cofounder simply dismisses the issue and blames the exploited children whose pictures are being traded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXZYvrue1BE
Reddit also has subreddits which publish images of women's and underage girls' private areas, including "upskirt" and "downblouse" pictures, without the knowledge or consent of their subjects. The users of these subreddits trade tips on how to stalk and photograph women and minors and encourage each other to go out and take more such pictures.
One user, called SFJohnny, secretly video tapes himself raping and beating hundreds of women and girls, and shares them on reddit. http://i.imgur.com/1Hkpt.png
There's some good evidence that this stuff has the tacit support of the owners of the site, including this nice quote:
The former leader of the child pornography rings, Violentacrez, is often in direct contact with the owners of the site. Erik Martin (aka hueypriest) went so far as to warn Violentacrez before reluctantly making the announcement last February. http://pastebin.com/eWhyDXCH
(4:03:13 PM) hueypriest: want to give you a heads up
(4:04:00 PM) hueypriest: we're making a policy change regarding jailbait type content. Don't really have a choice.
This is completely ignoring the well-documented misogynism of the "men's rights" groups on the site, which are fairly large but unfortunately legal.
Not being a reddit-er I knew nothing about this. I am certain it contributes a small volume of their traffic overall, but it is still absolutely reprehensible and disgusting, and the owners have no interest in stopping it and have in fact spoken out in favour of letting it continue, despite the fact that much of it is illegal. Given that this has the support of the owners, I would personally be in favour of taking the entire site down if they refuse to clean house.
Anyway, did you guys know about this? Should the site come down (or at least have that on the table as a threat if they refuse to get rid of the illegal and exploitative shit they are knowingly hosting)? I'm not usually a supporter of "think of the children hargleblargle" but a lot of this stuff is outright illegal and all of it is absolutely disgusting. I hope that it doesn't backfire into some stupid movement for internet censorship or monitoring.
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EDIT: The only thing I could find was this one - http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/155552/redditbomb-help-stop-child-pornography which was over before it began. Perhaps I am misremembering.
tell me more
reddit doesn't actually host any of this content - it just provides links
not sure how exactly I feel about this - should a website like this be responsible for all the content on it? gut says yes but I haven't really thought through the implications
Does it also allow you to share with facebook?
I don't know what "seduce" means in this instance. I assume you mean it's used as a euphemism for rape? In which case, I don't know that is illegal either. Obviously it's entirely immoral, but that's a separate question.
Unwitting upskirt photos are not illegal (in many countries).
OK, changed the title so we can stop discussing that they aren't actually the capital of child porn and it's on the deep web something something and talk about how maybe some of the stuff they are hosting isn't OK and should we do anything about it or not.
Reddit isn't even in the boondocks of the province the capital of child porn on the internet is
The rabbit hole that is the internet goes deep, and everything legal stops about 80% of the way down - the rest is child pornography, intelligence agencies, human trafficking, drug trade. Fuck's sake there are places on the deepweb where you can literally buy children.
Deep web is deep, far deeper than people want to believe exists
Edit: this isn't to say that I approve of Reddit more or less supporting these people, but as long as its not illegal I don't see any obligation on Reddit's part to stop it from happening. If you know about it the authorities know about it, and hopefully Reddit is cooperating with them
Well that's a fine position to take, but it's not what you initially argued - specifically that it is illegal and should thus be removed.
They have their own domain/country code.
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Could the discussion please be about using media to put pressure on Reddit to self-censor the disgusting-but-legal stuff, and definitely to remove the links to illegal content. I mean it could go in another direction if you guys want, but "correcting psyck0" is not a useful direction.
Uh this sounded a little sensationalistic, looking through this it only includes one post he made in /beatingwomen/, everything else is sex with prostitutes and doesn't mention any beatings or violence. Unethical and illegal(soliciting prostitution) actions, but not of rape and only one of beating, of which he asked for consent(not that it really mattered since they were halfway done and he was threatening to not pay). Maybe that's just not covered in the picture(most of it is just headlines), but why is the picture tacked right next to this point if not to back up the allegation? I'm not going to go find the posts or watch the videos though to find out, the picture is enough to know that this is not a good guy.
My position is that upskirt photography is of different kind to rape and underage pornography. And MRA groups are different again.
I think that from a legal standpoint a site should not be responsible for content that they do not host. On the other hand a site using this fact to make a stand for the free speech of paedophiles and rapists hardly strikes me as a noble use of this fact and should be condemned.
I agree somewhat with this. MRA groups are definitely different, although disgusting. Upskirt photography... I was not aware that that may be legal in the US, but I am pretty certain it is very illegal here. I think it is still a form of sexual assault. You are doing the woman harm by posting photos of her and exploiting her without consent, and you are doing women in general harm by making them sex objects whose privacy you can violate for your own sexual gratification. It's only less harmful to the woman who is photographed because she doesn't know, which I don't really think makes it less harmful than an ass-grab or something of that nature. Obviously it is less harmful than full-on rape, but I am a bit disgusted by the fact that I am putting sexual assault on tiers of harm when all of them are very disgusting.
I don't think that it counts as consent when you lie about the circumstances of the sex in order to obtain it, for example pretending to be auditioning for an escort service. I don't think that that sex is consensual since it is based on a lie, and if it's not consensual, it is by definition rape. He's done quite a lot of that.
How do you guys feel about the use of newspapers, bloggers and contacting politicians to put pressure on reddit to crack down on this?
I'd be wary of getting your facts from /r/SRS
They are known for being quite histrionic
I'd rather like it if old media, politicians and some bloggers stay out of it actually.
Those groups from what I've seen have no interest in making things better, and tend to make things worse for their own gain.
It'll be 24/7 media coverage of some random derp brigade defending child porn then another a wild SOPA appears.
I'd rather something like this get handled by the users who don't participate in those sub-forums first.
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It seems reddits position is more coming from laziness than malice though. Effect is still the same
While they have super moderators, the architecture is not quite analogous.
Reddit is a service provider.
EDIT: Which isn't to say that they couldn't or shouldn't enforce rules which prevent the posting of objectionable materials.
Hipster reporter guy's v-neck is like whoa.
usenet still exists
it is almost entirely the domain of pirates and child pornographers
like it's so bad that trying to access any alt.binaries groups on most ISPs is impossible because they block direct access so as not to have to deal with that shit
err... isn't it that they are not blocking access to them, but that they are not hosting the horrible alt.binaries on their own news servers, choosing not to help propagate porn and piracy.
That's true, having a basic understanding of reddit and SRS though... what they'd call child porn I'd call pictures of teenagers in bikinis. Is facebook allowing child porn because some creepy guys jack off to pictures of their friend's daughters? I don't know, the line is more nuanced than this.
SRS is basically the sensationalist "THINK OF THE (THING)" but far more retarded about it in general. I am extremely skeptical about what they are saying because of this.
I did happen to look upon srs and some of the noted sub reddits it was claiming as having cp and they do seem to be prone to zealotry. I agree with you there.
This is not to say that there aren't sick fucks posting real child pornography on reddit or that they should not be taken care of, but chances are that they are just users, and since they go to reddit instead of the deep web probably pretty casual users as well. The site should do what it can to delete such content when it is reported by users and pass relevant information about the criminals to the authorities, but I think it is unreasonable to expect them to manually comb every single post.
Some of them may not be such a big deal but some are clearly pretty horrible shit, I dont see the point in focusing on the not-big-deal ones and/or srs itself and going "well I wouldn't believe ANYTHING THEY SAY". It a community with disparate elements like any other so its on you to sort the BS from the facts.
If you want to know whats really up, do the investigation yourself. Dont just complain about the source being biased, all sources are biased. I'll take one that admits its bias over one that purports impartiality.
Pics of teens and preteens in bikinis, being posted explicitly as sexual images is very different from people trawling facebook for stuff uploaded by the teen users themselves.
Then there was the entire rape apologist saga, which was supposedly a place for people who had committed rape to explain it so other people could understand, but really turned into a circus of attention for rapists to post their stories and get acceptance.
Reddit at the very least has a serious problem with misogyny.
I think the problem is probably just lax administration. Is it a distributor? No. The issue is solve by reporting the individuals, just like this board. At worst PM an admin.
While I don't necessarily agree with the dude they're linking I don't know if I honestly think any of it is illegal. Such a fine line because where do we stop? I think we can all agree beating women and prostitution is wrong, but, misogyny? Some of the "mens-rights" and "feminism" stuff is hogwash completely, and some of it has merits. Should we just make it a wash and not have anything but cat pictures?
Why would you just stop there. The policy of "I don't know what's going on until you tell me or report it" seems like a good policy. Now if they refuse to do anything because it's a private sub or whatever, I don't know.
As someone who's really big on powerful first amendment rights I don't know how I feel about it. Convince me I should care beyond the really stupid stuff like I said.
There's also a huge amount of fake jail bait porn that's icky but legal.
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