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2008: Who would you vote for?

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    I follow the Dave Chapelle philosophy: "When I vote...which I don't...but if I did vote, I don't look at their policy, I look at their character."

    I'm a moderate liberal, but I'd be happy to vote for a Repub if the Dems were all asses. Right now, however, Obama's my pick. I liked McCain in 2000 but in recent years he's fallen off my list. Sort of interested in Giuliani. Don't like Clinton.

    So you're cool with nice guys who do shitty things?

    I would rather have a president who implements policies I disgree with, and do them right, than one that does policies I like and totally fucks them up (Bush, now, does policies I hate and fucks them up, whee). The important thing is they know what they're doing and can do it right, I know my stances might not always be the right ones, or might be opinion stances that have no real right answer.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Scooter wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Scooter wrote: »
    I follow the Dave Chapelle philosophy: "When I vote...which I don't...but if I did vote, I don't look at their policy, I look at their character."

    I'm a moderate liberal, but I'd be happy to vote for a Repub if the Dems were all asses. Right now, however, Obama's my pick. I liked McCain in 2000 but in recent years he's fallen off my list. Sort of interested in Giuliani. Don't like Clinton.

    So you're cool with nice guys who do shitty things?

    I would rather have a president who implements policies I disgree with, and do them right, than one that does policies I like and totally fucks them up (Bush, now, does policies I hate and fucks them up, whee). The important thing is they know what they're doing and can do it right, I know my stances might not always be the right ones, or might be opinion stances that have no real right answer.

    Oh, I got you now. Competence.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    h3ndu wrote: »
    StephenB.2006, are you... are you my dad? Because damn, you really, really sound like him.

    I agree with your opinions on less government; I don't get paid a ton, yet I still get the fuck taxed out of me. 30% out of every pay check makes me a sad, sad panda.

    Which candidate, or even which party would be more likely to give some serious tax cuts? Republicans aren't exactly the fiscal winners anymore, and aren't Democrats all about getting more money out of people?

    I really think Guiliani is the man you are looking for.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    h3ndu wrote: »
    StephenB.2006, are you... are you my dad? Because damn, you really, really sound like him.

    I agree with your opinions on less government; I don't get paid a ton, yet I still get the fuck taxed out of me. 30% out of every pay check makes me a sad, sad panda.

    Which candidate, or even which party would be more likely to give some serious tax cuts? Republicans aren't exactly the fiscal winners anymore, and aren't Democrats all about getting more money out of people?

    Democrats wouldn't be about getting money out of people if there wasn't such an outcry every time a dem talked about cutting the military budget. Which we could do if we could stop warmongering for a minute.

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  • h3nduh3ndu Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    h3ndu wrote: »
    StephenB.2006, are you... are you my dad? Because damn, you really, really sound like him.

    I agree with your opinions on less government; I don't get paid a ton, yet I still get the fuck taxed out of me. 30% out of every pay check makes me a sad, sad panda.

    Which candidate, or even which party would be more likely to give some serious tax cuts? Republicans aren't exactly the fiscal winners anymore, and aren't Democrats all about getting more money out of people?

    I really think Guiliani is the man you are looking for.

    He's very much anti gun, and much like Arnold in California, he's a Liberal in Conservatives clothing; he's two faced. I like some of what he did in New York, but I just don't vibe with the man in certain areas. I probably will end up voting for him though, and if not him then Mitt.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    h3ndu wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    h3ndu wrote: »
    StephenB.2006, are you... are you my dad? Because damn, you really, really sound like him.

    I agree with your opinions on less government; I don't get paid a ton, yet I still get the fuck taxed out of me. 30% out of every pay check makes me a sad, sad panda.

    Which candidate, or even which party would be more likely to give some serious tax cuts? Republicans aren't exactly the fiscal winners anymore, and aren't Democrats all about getting more money out of people?

    I really think Guiliani is the man you are looking for.

    He's very much anti gun, and much like Arnold in California, he's a Liberal in Conservatives clothing; he's two faced. I like some of what he did in New York, but I just don't vibe with the man in certain areas. I probably will end up voting for him though, and if not him then Mitt.

    Last I heard, he's hilariously authoritarian, such that he would likely expand/abuse the hell out of the patriot act.

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  • h3nduh3ndu Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    h3ndu wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    h3ndu wrote: »
    StephenB.2006, are you... are you my dad? Because damn, you really, really sound like him.

    I agree with your opinions on less government; I don't get paid a ton, yet I still get the fuck taxed out of me. 30% out of every pay check makes me a sad, sad panda.

    Which candidate, or even which party would be more likely to give some serious tax cuts? Republicans aren't exactly the fiscal winners anymore, and aren't Democrats all about getting more money out of people?

    I really think Guiliani is the man you are looking for.

    He's very much anti gun, and much like Arnold in California, he's a Liberal in Conservatives clothing; he's two faced. I like some of what he did in New York, but I just don't vibe with the man in certain areas. I probably will end up voting for him though, and if not him then Mitt.

    Last I heard, he's hilariously authoritarian, such that he would likely expand/abuse the hell out of the patriot act.

    link please? This is very interesting.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    h3ndu wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    h3ndu wrote: »
    StephenB.2006, are you... are you my dad? Because damn, you really, really sound like him.

    I agree with your opinions on less government; I don't get paid a ton, yet I still get the fuck taxed out of me. 30% out of every pay check makes me a sad, sad panda.

    Which candidate, or even which party would be more likely to give some serious tax cuts? Republicans aren't exactly the fiscal winners anymore, and aren't Democrats all about getting more money out of people?

    I really think Guiliani is the man you are looking for.

    He's very much anti gun, and much like Arnold in California, he's a Liberal in Conservatives clothing; he's two faced. I like some of what he did in New York, but I just don't vibe with the man in certain areas. I probably will end up voting for him though, and if not him then Mitt.

    Well, Guliani's big position on gun control is that you should have to pass a test to own one. That isn't too anti-gun.

    I haven't seen much that is two faced about him.

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote:
    The establishment is behind her.

    They loved Bill and can't look Hilary in the eye and say no.

    Don't forget that the polls where she's still up big are RV/dem leaner polls. Obama has nailed back her national lead in LV polls to the mid-single digits.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Nissl wrote: »
    Shinto wrote:
    The establishment is behind her.

    They loved Bill and can't look Hilary in the eye and say no.

    Don't forget that the polls where she's still up big are RV/dem leaner polls. Obama has nailed back her national lead in LV polls to the mid-single digits.

    I'm not up on the abbreviations and I'm too lazy to puzzle them out.

    Help.

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Last I heard, he's hilariously authoritarian, such that he would likely expand/abuse the hell out of the patriot act.

    link please? This is very interesting.

    Newsweek
    Salon
    Yglesias
    One More

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    RVs are registered voters, LVs are likely voters.

    Protip: the likely voter numbers are the important ones.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    What matters is registered dems right now. Not sure if that poll means them or general registered voters. I think Obama has a better chance in a national race but beating out Hilary for the nomination is going to be very hard.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    You know, I'd be really curious to know who you'd vote for in the primaries and the general election. We don't get that many regular conservatives here, even ones as sick of Bush as the rest of us.

    I don't hate Romney. What I would really like is to have different parties in the WH and Congress. The two best eras for conservatives (not Republicans) in recent history have been the Reagan years and the Clinton years between about '94 and '98, both of which I believe were possible because the Democratic opposition kept conservatives honest. Republicans are at their best when they're forced to compete with Democrats using appeals to their conservative base. When you remove this, you wind up with the Congress of about 2002-present.

    If it looks like the Pubs are set to take back Congress - which is unlikely - I'll most likely vote for the Dem in the primary, unless it's someone really unpalateable to me, such as Hillary (who has okay policies but is horrible personally, and I think would be uniquely incapable of compromising with Pubs in congress), or Obama (who's an awesome guy, but is way to left-wing for my tastes, and probably has the charm and public speaking skills to liberal the hell out of the country). I don't think either of them will take the primary, though. If the Dems look like they'll keep congress, I'll vote for the Pub, unless something bizarre happens and someone like George Allen or Rick Santorum winds up in office (which I doubt).

    As to Giuliani, I'm not wild about him. I still don't quite get why being the mayor of a city makes one qualified to lead an entire nation. Despite what a lot of New Yorkers might think, their city is not that fucking special, and running it does not automatically mean you're qualified to be the most powerful leader in the free world. If it wasn't for 9/11, nobody would even give two shits about him.

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  • h3nduh3ndu Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    h3ndu wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    h3ndu wrote: »
    StephenB.2006, are you... are you my dad? Because damn, you really, really sound like him.

    I agree with your opinions on less government; I don't get paid a ton, yet I still get the fuck taxed out of me. 30% out of every pay check makes me a sad, sad panda.

    Which candidate, or even which party would be more likely to give some serious tax cuts? Republicans aren't exactly the fiscal winners anymore, and aren't Democrats all about getting more money out of people?

    I really think Guiliani is the man you are looking for.

    He's very much anti gun, and much like Arnold in California, he's a Liberal in Conservatives clothing; he's two faced. I like some of what he did in New York, but I just don't vibe with the man in certain areas. I probably will end up voting for him though, and if not him then Mitt.

    Well, Guliani's big position on gun control is that you should have to pass a test to own one. That isn't too anti-gun.

    I haven't seen much that is two faced about him.

    My two faced comment was directed at how he is really a democrat at heart, but parades around as a republican.

    Edit: As a serious question, does anyone here think Mitt's religion will play an important factor in his race for election? Most of the feedback I get from people feelings about mormons is that they use their religion as cruch, abandoning it when they see fit.

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    What matters is registered dems right now. Not sure if that poll means them or general registered voters. I think Obama has a better chance in a national race but beating out Hilary for the nomination is going to be very hard.

    No, what matters most now is likely primary voters (LV's). Ideally primary voters with the screen that they actually voted last time in the primary, not ones that claim that they will vote this time. (They respectively spotted Hillary leads of 1% and 7% in two different Iowa polls in december, if I remember correctly). Hillary's lead is much smaller among that select pool of voters (last two national surveys, 8% and 3%) than the much bigger pool of registered democratic voters (RV's) and leaners (independents more likelly to vote democratic), probably because of name recognition (averages about 15-20%). Many RV's are barely paying attention to politics and just remember the Clinton era fondly.

    I find the media focus on registered voters frustrating; perhaps 1/10 polls coming out right now reflects what is actually happening in the nomination race. However, it radically alters the narrative that gets repeated in the press.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    As to Giuliani, I'm not wild about him. I still don't quite get why being the mayor of a city makes one qualified to lead an entire nation. Despite what a lot of New Yorkers might think, their city is not that fucking special, and running it does not automatically mean you're qualified to be the most powerful leader in the free world. If it wasn't for 9/11, nobody would even give two shits about him.

    If the the city by itself were a state then it would have the 12th highest population in the country.

    There are more people in New York City than there are in Virginia.

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    ElJeffe wrote:
    I don't think either of them will take the primary, though.

    If not, then who and why? Gore? Clark? Biden? Richardson? Edwards? It's getting awful late early for anyone besides Gore and the top three. I'm always interested to get a conservative's take on the democratic pool.

    Personally, I'd imagine that Huckabee would make an ideal republican nominee (scandal-free, charismatic, solidly evangelical, appeals to moderates), and can't understand why he's not getting any traction.

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  • Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    It's either gonna be Guliani or Obama.

    Though if Guliani wins, theres a strong possibility of the Democratic party collapsing, so...maybe not.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    It's either gonna be Guliani or Obama.

    Though if Guliani wins, theres a strong possibility of the Democratic party collapsing, so...maybe not.
    Guiliani just looks very, very beatable to me. He's ridden 9/11 for 5 1/2 years, but he hasn't HAD to ride anything else. People are going to want to know more about him than that in a general, and that's where it all goes to hell.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    It's either gonna be Guliani or Obama.

    Though if Guliani wins, theres a strong possibility of the Democratic party collapsing, so...maybe not.
    Guiliani just looks very, very beatable to me. He's ridden 9/11 for 5 1/2 years, but he hasn't HAD to ride anything else. People are going to want to know more about him than that in a general, and that's where it all goes to hell.

    three wives, very public affair, moved in with a gay couple after his last divorce, his shady ass police commissioner. The list gets pretty long.

    Guliani - tons of problems.
    McCain - really really old. republicans also dont like him, so lets not pretend he'll win the nomination.
    Romney - Mormon. His flip-flops make Kerry look good.
    Brownback - probably too crazy Christian
    Huckabee - I'm actually fairly impressed with how this guy comes off. Let's hope he doesn't get nominated.


    I'm really not impressed with the electability of the republican field.

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  • h3nduh3ndu Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    geckahn wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    It's either gonna be Guliani or Obama.

    Though if Guliani wins, theres a strong possibility of the Democratic party collapsing, so...maybe not.
    Guiliani just looks very, very beatable to me. He's ridden 9/11 for 5 1/2 years, but he hasn't HAD to ride anything else. People are going to want to know more about him than that in a general, and that's where it all goes to hell.

    three wives, very public affair, moved in with a gay couple after his last divorce, his shady ass police commissioner. The list gets pretty long.

    Guliani - tons of problems.
    McCain - really really old. republicans also dont like him, so lets not pretend he'll win the nomination.
    Romney - Mormon. His flip-flops make Kerry look good.
    Brownback - probably too crazy Christian
    Huckabee - I'm actually fairly impressed with how this guy comes off. Let's hope he doesn't get nominated.


    I'm really not impressed with the electability of the republican field.

    Indeed. Choose the lesser evil, yeah?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    As to Giuliani, I'm not wild about him. I still don't quite get why being the mayor of a city makes one qualified to lead an entire nation. Despite what a lot of New Yorkers might think, their city is not that fucking special, and running it does not automatically mean you're qualified to be the most powerful leader in the free world. If it wasn't for 9/11, nobody would even give two shits about him.

    If the the city by itself were a state then it would have the 12th highest population in the country.

    There are more people in New York City than there are in Virginia.

    Nevertheless, the dynamics of running a city are very different than the dynamics of running a country. It's sort of like assuming that a middle manager at a large company would be better at running your company than the CEO of a much smaller corporation.

    How is Giuliani at dealing with Congresses? How does he do at balancing the needs of urban and rural areas across a wide-spread area? He just has a very narrow field of experience.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    geckahn wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    It's either gonna be Guliani or Obama.

    Though if Guliani wins, theres a strong possibility of the Democratic party collapsing, so...maybe not.
    Guiliani just looks very, very beatable to me. He's ridden 9/11 for 5 1/2 years, but he hasn't HAD to ride anything else. People are going to want to know more about him than that in a general, and that's where it all goes to hell.

    three wives, very public affair, moved in with a gay couple after his last divorce, his shady ass police commissioner. The list gets pretty long.

    Guliani - tons of problems.
    McCain - really really old. republicans also dont like him, so lets not pretend he'll win the nomination.
    Romney - Mormon. His flip-flops make Kerry look good.
    Brownback - probably too crazy Christian
    Huckabee - I'm actually fairly impressed with how this guy comes off. Let's hope he doesn't get nominated.


    I'm really not impressed with the electability of the republican field.

    I'll bet anyone ten dollars Newt Gingrich takes the Republican nomination.

    Shinto on
  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    As to Giuliani, I'm not wild about him. I still don't quite get why being the mayor of a city makes one qualified to lead an entire nation. Despite what a lot of New Yorkers might think, their city is not that fucking special, and running it does not automatically mean you're qualified to be the most powerful leader in the free world. If it wasn't for 9/11, nobody would even give two shits about him.

    If the the city by itself were a state then it would have the 12th highest population in the country.

    There are more people in New York City than there are in Virginia.

    Nevertheless, the dynamics of running a city are very different than the dynamics of running a country. It's sort of like assuming that a middle manager at a large company would be better at running your company than the CEO of a much smaller corporation.

    How is Giuliani at dealing with Congresses? How does he do at balancing the needs of urban and rural areas across a wide-spread area? He just has a very narrow field of experience.

    Meh.

    Every candidate has a drawback.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    It's either gonna be Guliani or Obama.

    Though if Guliani wins, theres a strong possibility of the Democratic party collapsing, so...maybe not.
    Guiliani just looks very, very beatable to me. He's ridden 9/11 for 5 1/2 years, but he hasn't HAD to ride anything else. People are going to want to know more about him than that in a general, and that's where it all goes to hell.

    three wives, very public affair, moved in with a gay couple after his last divorce, his shady ass police commissioner. The list gets pretty long.

    Guliani - tons of problems.
    McCain - really really old. republicans also dont like him, so lets not pretend he'll win the nomination.
    Romney - Mormon. His flip-flops make Kerry look good.
    Brownback - probably too crazy Christian
    Huckabee - I'm actually fairly impressed with how this guy comes off. Let's hope he doesn't get nominated.


    I'm really not impressed with the electability of the republican field.

    I'll bet anyone ten dollars Newt Gingrich takes the Republican nomination.

    If he does and Hillary does, those debates need to be moved to Pay-per-View..

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Sentry wrote: »

    I'll bet anyone ten dollars Newt Gingrich takes the Republican nomination.

    If he does and Hillary does, those debates need to be moved to Pay-per-View..[/QUOTE]

    Oooo, I'd pay for a debate between Hillary and Newt now! Newt isn't a speaker like Hillary but he is sharp as a tack and would pwn in a debate.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Sentry wrote: »

    I'll bet anyone ten dollars Newt Gingrich takes the Republican nomination.

    If he does and Hillary does, those debates need to be moved to Pay-per-View..

    Oooo, I'd pay for a debate between Hillary and Newt now! Newt isn't a speaker like Hillary but he is sharp as a tack and would pwn in a debate.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, he's very formidable.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'm just remembering that he led the attacks on Hillary when she dared work on a health care plan and not sit there like a simpering idiot baking cookies (like Laura Bush). Plus that whole impeachment thing he initiated while survey says....

    Cheating on his own wife! Ding ding ding!

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    I'll bet anyone ten dollars Newt Gingrich takes the Republican nomination.

    I'll take it!

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  • deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'm thinking Chuck Hagel makes a run for the GDP, and I think he'd be formidable.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    deowolf wrote: »
    I'm thinking Chuck Hagel makes a run for the GDP, and I think he'd be formidable.

    ...He's making a run for the Gross Domestic Product?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hagel would never make it through the primary.

    I continue to believe that McCain is the coronated winner, and Huckabee is the dark horse outside possibility.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hagel would never make it through the primary.

    I can dream.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    deowolf wrote: »
    I'm thinking Chuck Hagel makes a run for the GDP, and I think he'd be formidable.

    I saw him speak in person.

    He has negative charisma. It was like talking to an accountant.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hagel would never make it through the primary.

    I continue to believe that McCain is the coronated winner, and Huckabee is the dark horse outside possibility.
    I continue to believe that Guiliani's the coronated winner and McCain hasn't been informed yet. For all the scandals Rudy has that will doom him in a general, '9/11 9/11 9/11' seems to be getting him through the primary fine and the other Republicans aren't calling him on anything else. All the major attacks on Rudy so far have come from the left, not the right.

    There's still plenty of time, yes, but you would think the other Republicans would know to get the focus on Rudy off 9/11 quick if they want to have a chance.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hagel would never make it through the primary.

    I continue to believe that McCain is the coronated winner, and Huckabee is the dark horse outside possibility.
    I continue to believe that Guiliani's the coronated winner and McCain hasn't been informed yet. For all the scandals Rudy has that will doom him in a general, '9/11 9/11 9/11' seems to be getting him through the primary fine and the other Republicans aren't calling him on anything else. All the major attacks on Rudy so far have come from the left, not the right.

    There's still plenty of time, yes, but you would think the other Republicans would know to get the focus on Rudy off 9/11 quick if they want to have a chance.
    The Republicans can't get the focus off of 9/11. It'd be like me asking you to stop your heart from beating using pure force of will.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hagel would never make it through the primary.

    I continue to believe that McCain is the coronated winner, and Huckabee is the dark horse outside possibility.
    I continue to believe that Guiliani's the coronated winner and McCain hasn't been informed yet. For all the scandals Rudy has that will doom him in a general, '9/11 9/11 9/11' seems to be getting him through the primary fine and the other Republicans aren't calling him on anything else. All the major attacks on Rudy so far have come from the left, not the right.

    There's still plenty of time, yes, but you would think the other Republicans would know to get the focus on Rudy off 9/11 quick if they want to have a chance.
    The Republicans can't get the focus off of 9/11. It'd be like me asking you to stop your heart from beating using pure force of will.

    Well, the is a method to it. Defense issues are the common issue that holds the Republican coalition together. Otherwise the libertarians, moderates and southern baptists have a hard time getting on the same page.

    The rise of the evangelical right has actually made it more and more difficult for the Republican party to hold together. I'm pretty sure that the poor handling of the Iraq war is going severly handicap the Republicans for a long time.

    Shinto on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hagel would never make it through the primary.

    I continue to believe that McCain is the coronated winner, and Huckabee is the dark horse outside possibility.
    I continue to believe that Guiliani's the coronated winner and McCain hasn't been informed yet. For all the scandals Rudy has that will doom him in a general, '9/11 9/11 9/11' seems to be getting him through the primary fine and the other Republicans aren't calling him on anything else. All the major attacks on Rudy so far have come from the left, not the right.

    There's still plenty of time, yes, but you would think the other Republicans would know to get the focus on Rudy off 9/11 quick if they want to have a chance.
    The Republicans can't get the focus off of 9/11. It'd be like me asking you to stop your heart from beating using pure force of will.
    Well, the is a method to it. Defense issues are the common issue that holds the Republican coalition together. Otherwise the libertarians, moderates and southern baptists have a hard time getting on the same page.

    The rise of the evangelical right has actually made it more and more difficult for the Republican party to hold together. I'm pretty sure that the poor handling of the Iraq war is going severly handicap the Republicans for a long time.
    I think you give people too much credit.

    But hey, what do I know? I thought the Republicans were going to keep control of Congress. :P

    Thanatos on
  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hagel would never make it through the primary.

    I continue to believe that McCain is the coronated winner, and Huckabee is the dark horse outside possibility.
    I continue to believe that Guiliani's the coronated winner and McCain hasn't been informed yet. For all the scandals Rudy has that will doom him in a general, '9/11 9/11 9/11' seems to be getting him through the primary fine and the other Republicans aren't calling him on anything else. All the major attacks on Rudy so far have come from the left, not the right.

    There's still plenty of time, yes, but you would think the other Republicans would know to get the focus on Rudy off 9/11 quick if they want to have a chance.
    The Republicans can't get the focus off of 9/11. It'd be like me asking you to stop your heart from beating using pure force of will.
    Well, they better figure out a way or else Rudy's got it locked up on their side. Never mind the other 48 states, Iowa and New Hampshire would be formalities as well. He's already doubled up McCain in the polls.

    And then he proceeds to get himself Mondaled in the general.

    Gosling on
    I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
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