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Found my Dad's knife. I know nothing about it.

dukederekdukederek Registered User regular
edited October 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
While looking for tools in my folks' garage I found a knife in a leather pouch. Upon asking my mum for information she said it used to be my dad's fishing knife, she also said he stopped fishing pretty much when they got together in (I think) the late 70's. That's pretty much the extent my mum knows about the knife and my dad died 25 years ago so asking him isn't going to be much use.

I assume it's just a pretty average hunting knife but I'd like to get it cleaned up and sharpened and start using it for camping and the like but I'd also like to know a bit more about it (even if all that comes to is how old it is, who the manufacturer is or what it's made out of) but I have no idea where to start. Any recommendations of resources for identifying knifes and such would be greatly appreciated, just somewhere to start doing some research would be dramatically further than I am now :)

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Any chance you could post a picture of it? Are there any manufacturers tags/plates on it?

    I'd imagine there's someone on the forums that knows about old knives.

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    edited October 2012
    Look along the bottom of the blade, above the guard, where it goes into the handle. A lot of manufacturers put their marks there.

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  • dukederekdukederek Registered User regular
    ah yeah, I think I can see something but unfortunately that bit's all rusted up, I'll have a go at cleaning it with something gentle, see if I can get it any clearer without eroding the writing.

  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    dukederek wrote: »
    ah yeah, I think I can see something but unfortunately that bit's all rusted up, I'll have a go at cleaning it with something gentle, see if I can get it any clearer without eroding the writing.

    We talking rust rust or a little surface rust?

  • BaconParabellumBaconParabellum Registered User regular
    Don't store it in the leather pouch, that will cause more rust. Leather holds moisture.
    Fishing/filleting knives are usually long and narrow/skinny. Hunting/gutting knives are shorter and more stout normally.

    Post pics.
    There are tons of knife forums out there too.

  • InxInx Registered User regular
    Also, once you clean it up, oil it regularly. Machine oil works just fine for this and can be found at any home depot, but vaseline works in a pinch. Is your mother still with us? If your dad was fond enough of that knife it might be that she has some information on it (I talk about my knives to the people close to me, but that could just be me I guess).

    I'm curious if it's a stainless or high carbon blade, but one step at a time.

  • tarnoktarnok Registered User regular
    I don't know how old this knife is but it may be worth pointing out that apparently one of the best ways to ruin the value of an antique is to clean it. If you think it may have any value on the basis of age you should get it looked at by an appraiser before you decide to clean it.

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  • dukederekdukederek Registered User regular
    I don't know how old this knife is but it may be worth pointing out that apparently one of the best ways to ruin the value of an antique is to clean it. If you think it may have any value on the basis of age you should get it looked at by an appraiser before you decide to clean it.
    I doubt it's worth anything other than sentimental value but another part of my research was to make sure "fixing" it wasn't ruining it!

    Is your mother still with us? If your dad was fond enough of that knife it might be that she has some information on it
    I dont think Dad was particularly "fond" of it per se, but I don't have a lot of his stuff so anything is nice to have and continue to use. I might ask my Aunt (his sister) when I next see her but I'm not sure if that's going to be until Christmas now...

    I'm curious if it's a stainless or high carbon blade, but one step at a time.
    me too! I have a few knives I use for camping and stuff already so I'm starting to learn about what qualities lend themselves to certain tasks. I'd just love to put it into action really.


    Also, pictures. Apologies for the poor quality, I've only got my camera phone at the moment.
    KnifeFull.jpg
    KnifeGuard.jpg

  • CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    edited October 2012
    You can only "ruin" an old knife by cleaning it up if you care about keeping it's value. Antiques need to look old to keep their value. If you want to use it as a camping tool then just take it to a place that will clean it up and put a proper working edge on it for you.

    As for identification, you'll need to clean off the lettering to really find out about it.

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  • InxInx Registered User regular
    It ain't stainless, I'll tell you that much.

    But yeah, that's gonna be tough to properly ID if you can't get that lettering to show, and even then you might lose the lettering in the restoration.

    If it's only surface rust, it should come off with oil and a cloth and some elbow grease. If it's deeper than that, fine grain sandpaper or steel wool will do the job but BE CAREFUL because those can scratch up the blade and that's never good.

  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Cabezone wrote: »
    You can only "ruin" an old knife by cleaning it up if you care about keeping it's value. Antiques need to look old to keep their value. If you want to use it as a camping tool then just take it to a place that will clean it up and put a proper working edge on it for you.

    As for identification, you'll need to clean off the lettering to really find out about it.

    This is a pretty bad rule of thumb.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    I think the only reason people might say "Cleaning an antique ruins its value" would be that if you clean it improperly, you very likely Will impact the value.

  • InxInx Registered User regular
    @Druhim You're right and wrong at the same time, kind of. Properly cared for antiques that look as close to mint as possible are widely considered the highest value, it's true. However, an antique that's got rusting and patina and other flaws is more highly valued than one that's been improperly restored, and in some cases one that's been properly restored.

    Collectors are weird people.

  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    dukederek wrote: »
    I don't know how old this knife is but it may be worth pointing out that apparently one of the best ways to ruin the value of an antique is to clean it. If you think it may have any value on the basis of age you should get it looked at by an appraiser before you decide to clean it.
    I doubt it's worth anything other than sentimental value but another part of my research was to make sure "fixing" it wasn't ruining it!

    Is your mother still with us? If your dad was fond enough of that knife it might be that she has some information on it
    I dont think Dad was particularly "fond" of it per se, but I don't have a lot of his stuff so anything is nice to have and continue to use. I might ask my Aunt (his sister) when I next see her but I'm not sure if that's going to be until Christmas now...

    I'm curious if it's a stainless or high carbon blade, but one step at a time.
    me too! I have a few knives I use for camping and stuff already so I'm starting to learn about what qualities lend themselves to certain tasks. I'd just love to put it into action really.


    Also, pictures. Apologies for the poor quality, I've only got my camera phone at the moment.
    KnifeFull.jpg
    KnifeGuard.jpg

    I'd ask over at bladeforums in the Bernard Levine's Knife Collecting & Identification and you should be able to get an answer: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/691-Bernard-Levine-s-Knife-Collecting-amp-Identification

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    I'd imagine it would depend on the antique.
    I mean, an antique car is going to be recognized as an antique by people who know about cars. They'll look under the hood, check the chassis etc. to see that it's a real antique and not a kit car built on an old bug or something.
    For knives though, it's a bit different. I mean, the knife hasn't changed much in the millions of years since it was invented. Without a patina of age, then it's hard to tell that it's actually an antique or straight off the presses.

    Of course, this discussion is all assuming the OP wants to keep the knife as an antique. Personally, as a non knife expert, I think the blade looks like a mass produced piece that isn't going to be worth much as an antique, but would hold a great deal of sentimental value. I'd say get the blade sharpened and use it when you go camping.

  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    I think the only reason people might say "Cleaning an antique ruins its value" would be that if you clean it improperly, you very likely Will impact the value.

    Sure, but that's quite different from saying you shouldn't clean it at all so it looks older and will make it more valuable.

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  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Blight on Discourse Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    Get some better pictures and I can email them to my girlfriend's dad. He appraises antique weapons and armor for a well known auction house.

  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    He already said he wants to use it. Stay on topic. The topic is not keeping the value of antiques.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Blight on Discourse Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    Even if he wants to use it a professional appraiser that looks at bladed implements all the time is going to be able to give him more information about the knife which is half of the OP.

  • dukederekdukederek Registered User regular
    So after a bit of oil and rags and a toothbrush we've clarified some writing at the bottom of the blade.

    something ending PE or HE
    HM SLATER
    SHEFFIELD

    So HM Slater is a knife maker in Sheffield, UK (about 50 miles north of where I grew up so that makes sense), it's not on their website I might email them and see if they can hook me up with some specs regarding material etc. It's looking like it's not too valuable which is good for being able to use it and such.

    Thanks for all the advice and offers of help :) I'll probably ship it off to get cleaned up and sharpened on monday

  • InxInx Registered User regular
    Glad to hear you were able to get it handled with relative ease. I've no clue what the PE or HE might signify, probably something to do with the model number.

    Actually, it MAY be part of the steel grade stamp. Some knives are stamped with exactly what they're made of, and with my VERY armchair understanding of steel metallurgy, if that PE or HE is or was followed by numbers, then it's probably the steel grade.

    Problem is that without the numbers, and without knowing if it's a P or an H, it's very hard to actually confirm that theory, and is just kind of a shot in the dark.

    HOWEVER, congratulations because HM Slater also manufactured a number of Faibairn Sykes combat knives for soldiers during WWII, which if you ask me makes them a pretty reputable company.

  • dukederekdukederek Registered User regular
    on further research and looking at the fact that it could be an H or an P, it's within the realms of possibility that it could be something-RE and it could say VENTURE which appears to be a thing that some Slater knives have stamped on them, I think related to the factory they were made out of or something. More info there as I figure it out.

  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2012
    http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?134270-William-Rodgers-Stag-handled-knife-Any-more-info

    Somehow I found "stag handle," GISd it, noticed it looked similar, and dropped venture in the search.

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  • dukederekdukederek Registered User regular
    oh wow, thanks, there's a lot of stuff in there (and linked) to get reading. Awesome :)

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