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plantersplanters Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I want to buy an acoustic guitar (that's not the problem) problem is I don't know if I'll be able to play it. How hard is it? I'm not gonna try to play Led Zepplin or Queen, just small songs with simple chords. And I have some experience with bass.
Thanks for any help in advance.

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  • Chop LogicChop Logic Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Thats really kind of a hard question to anser. I guess its not as hard as many other instruments, and you'd probobly be able to teach yourself enough to be happy with. That said though, you should definatly get lessons when you get one. It will help you keep from developing bad habits, and it will make you a MUCH better player and a much better musician. All the kids I know that get lessons on guitar are way better than the kids that decided to teach themselves.

    You say you play bass, do you know a lot of theory or read music?

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  • plantersplanters Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well I used to play bass, no I just read tabs. Well what I really meant was: would be hard if I don't get lessons? cause i don't plan on getting lessons and I don't really wanna be in a band or make it pro, I just need a hobby and listening to some songs after a long day makes me relax so I figured if I could play those songs instead of just listening to them it would be better.

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  • GrundlterrorGrundlterror Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    planters wrote: »
    Well I used to play bass, no I just read tabs. Well what I really meant was: would be hard if I don't get lessons? cause i don't plan on getting lessons and I don't really wanna be in a band or make it pro, I just need a hobby and listening to some songs after a long day makes me relax so I figured if I could play those songs instead of just listening to them it would be better.

    Definitely man, chords are fun to mess around with and just improvise. Start just learning the basic chords and just mess around. Learn a few scales here and there once you start getting comfortable. I would recommend getting a lesson book or something even if you aren't going to take lessons. I started taking lessons but have basically taught myself after a year or two of lessons. Whoever said you are gonna pick up bad habits was right though... just when you start out remember to keep your thumb on the neck (its really easy to want to bring your thumb over the neck, so when you are starting out you do not want to do this) and your fingers curved as if you are holding a tennis ball or something. Also, learn to love all the strings at once and don't just "start off" on a couple of strings. It took me a while to be able to make it up to the G B and high E strings.

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  • plantersplanters Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Alright thanks, yeah I know about the thumb thing from playing bass, but I have another question for anyone who can answer it. How do you know when you need a capo?

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  • GrundlterrorGrundlterror Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    planters wrote: »
    Alright thanks, yeah I know about the thumb thing from playing bass, but I have another question for anyone who can answer it. How do you know when you need a capo?

    It's a song to song thing. It's a lot of fun to mess around with. Basically think of it like bringing the nut (part of guitar that separates the head from the neck) down to a higher fret. It changes the sound of the guitar and you can play bar chords on higher frets with less fingers. A good example of simple capo use is Tom Petty's Free Fallin'.

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  • plantersplanters Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    But can't you just play on a high pitch string or fret instead of a capo?

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  • RonjonRonjon Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    here's my simple example of capo, there is a song I like with a B F# G# E chord pattern, I'm a horrible guitarist, so I capo 2 and play A, E, F#, D, which are all chords I know well (enough).
    I have friends who are actually good at guitar who will use a capo when playing 2 guitars together so that way if they were playing the above song they would be using 2 entirely different fingerings for a interesting sound (usually goo)

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  • HiredGunHiredGun Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Short of physical inability (really small hands, or something?) there's no reason anyone would be unable to learn guitar for the purposes you're talking about. As long as you have some patience and keep the learning process enjoyable, you'll do just fine.

    Capos: you usually can't just move up the neck of the guitar to move an entire song up or down in pitch, because most songs involve you hitting some open strings, and those open notes will not change as you move your hand up the neck. Therefore, you put a capo on the fretboard to essentially 'move' the entire bridge further up the neck. (Also, notice that the frets are closer together as you move up the neck; therefore, sometimes using a capo to move up the neck enables you to play a song that you can't stretch your fingers far enough to play without one.) The majority of songs can be easily played without a capo, and I wouldn't call it an essential tool for a beginner; once you get a handle on the fundamentals, you'll probably find yourself heading out and buying one.

    Good luck, and remember: practice every day for the first few months, and your fingers will get used to the instrument in no time, even if your fingertips complain at first.

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  • AximAxim Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    buy the shittiest acoustic you can find and it will do you fine. my first was a crestwood that my mom won it was probably worth 90 bucks and still serves me well today. just keep plugging away at it with songs you like and once you get better if you feel like learning a little theory so you can play with buddies etc then go for it.

    my first songs were wonderwall, blackbird and everlong i'd recommend them as good starters that will amaze your friends and blow women's clothing off a couple notes in

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  • BearcatBearcat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'd steer clear of "buying the shittiest acoustic" available. Go straight for something like an Ibanez PF. It's bright and plays like an electric.

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  • Raif SeveranceRaif Severance Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Acoustic strings tend to be hard to learn on. I started off by putting electric guitar strings on my acoustic and made it much easier to play and reduced some of the frustration starting out. You said you play bass so you probably already have calouses and whatnot so this may not be an issue for you. The first song I learned was Come As You Are by Nirvana and I thought I ruled the world after mastering it... yeah, start out small. I took lessons for a month before I realized I was paying someone to ask me what I wanted to learn... I felt like they should be teaching me. I then taught myself to read tablature and that was the end, I downloaded everything I wanted to play and attempted to learn it. I learned all the chords through the various songs I learned how to play. Eventually you'll learn the combinations of chords that work well together and then you'll find out why songs all sound the same today... while there's slight variations on the chord progressions they all start and end the same. I would start by learning the "open" chords since they are a good background to start with: A, C, D, E, F, G; B is really only possible by a bar chord. Once you learn E and A you can basically play all the major chords by barring a fret and forming E or A to make the chord.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited March 2007
    You could play your entire life and never need a capo. Don't worry about it.

    In the end, if you're motivated and you practise, you'll learn to play regardless of whether you have lessons or are "gifted" or whatever.

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  • FibretipFibretip Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    you'll know you need a capo when the tab you're reading says.... capo ;)

    seriously though, i bought one when i got my guitar, and it sat in the packaging for 3 years until i suddenly found myself playing a song that needed it... since then i've messed around with it a bit, but it rarely stays on my guitar for longer than 10 minutes... i really wouldn't worry about it.

    i would recommend some Fast Fret, it's a little stick thing you wipe up and down the neck of the guitar over the strings, and it makes you glide easier, makes it easier on your fingers i find. I play a lot faster and clearer when i use it... you just rub it on, wipe it off with the cloth provided, and voila... i'm not saying it makes you better, but it does make life easier for the price.

    Also... break yourself in slowly. Don't buy a guitar, then play for 8 hours solid, you will fuck your fingers up so badly if you don't normally play. When you play frequently you build up hard callouses on your fingers and the strings don't bother you at all, but when you've just started, it can be so painful. My wife started playing last year and overdid the first two days and actually had to leave the guitar alone for nearly 2 weeks because her fingers hurt so much... so frequent small amounts of playing is a better idea... let your fingers get used to it.

    oh and when you get callouses.... don't pick them off.... learn from my mistakes ;)

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  • plantersplanters Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well the one I'm getting is from my friend for $45 I don't really care about quality right now.
    I have one last question...I'm assuming this is fairly easy to play?
    e
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    B--3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-2-2-2----3-3-3----3-3-2-2-3-3-3-3-2-2-5-5
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    G
    4-4-4
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    D-0-0-0-0-4-4-4-4-0-0-0-0-4-4-4-4
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    A
    2-2-2-0
    0-0-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0
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    E
    3-3
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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    Yes, those are power chords that require one or two fingers at once.

    Also, use the code tags for tabs so it monospaces the font.

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  • TheGreat2ndTheGreat2nd Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Fibretip wrote: »
    you'll know you need a capo when the tab you're reading says.... capo ;)

    seriously though, i bought one when i got my guitar, and it sat in the packaging for 3 years until i suddenly found myself playing a song that needed it... since then i've messed around with it a bit, but it rarely stays on my guitar for longer than 10 minutes... i really wouldn't worry about it.

    i would recommend some Fast Fret, it's a little stick thing you wipe up and down the neck of the guitar over the strings, and it makes you glide easier, makes it easier on your fingers i find. I play a lot faster and clearer when i use it... you just rub it on, wipe it off with the cloth provided, and voila... i'm not saying it makes you better, but it does make life easier for the price.

    Also... break yourself in slowly. Don't buy a guitar, then play for 8 hours solid, you will fuck your fingers up so badly if you don't normally play. When you play frequently you build up hard callouses on your fingers and the strings don't bother you at all, but when you've just started, it can be so painful. My wife started playing last year and overdid the first two days and actually had to leave the guitar alone for nearly 2 weeks because her fingers hurt so much... so frequent small amounts of playing is a better idea... let your fingers get used to it.

    oh and when you get callouses.... don't pick them off.... learn from my mistakes ;)
    Truth :)
    I only played on and off the past few years, but I tried to seriously start playing in January.
    Played for 6 hours a day for a week, my fingers were all sorts of messed up.
    I got some blisters, but I just popped them and cleaned em off, went back.

    My only suggestion is to not get blisters :P
    Enjoy the guitar :D

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  • plantersplanters Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    My only concern is I won't be able to play it, but I talked to my friend and he said he'll teach me if I get stuck, because I think it's better if I play with someone.

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  • QuirkQuirk Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Chords-Guitar-David-Mead/dp/1860743633/ref=sr_1_4/102-2509669-2028144?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174177221&sr=8-4

    this is a seriously good book for learning the basic chords (in my experience the whole basics series is well written and informative)

    its written in a fairly informal style and shows you how to form pretty much all the basic chords

    http://chordfind.com/

    you can also get chord formations from this website, but the book teaches you how to put chords together and why they work like they do, which i found a big help

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  • FibretipFibretip Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    just don't make my big mistake.... don't just play tabs because it's awesome and quick... if you play a tab... try to write down the chords and find out what they are, learn the names. Whenever i play with other people they're all like "ok try it again with a G#" or whatever and i'm just left going "eh? a 330023?" or whatever... chord books are a great idea, even if just to look up what you've just learned. I can play so many things from tab... but seriously can't tell you a single chord name... just don't have the time to learn atm :S

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  • CptKemzikCptKemzik Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Im normally a bassist by trade, but I occasionally still pick up the guitar to mess around with. What I have is a poster that shows most of the guitar chords (w/ fingerings obviously). I have it hanged, and just play facing the poster. That way I can quickly glance at chords I want to try/play around with, and I get familiar with the theory.

    I also recommend not relying on tabs. As convienent as they are, they hamper your ability to familiarize yourself wtih the theory of the fretboard, which is more useful than being able to play a song after a few tab runs.

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