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I need to know more about watches

zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered User regular
edited November 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
The internet has failed me a bit on this one. It feals like everyone has an agenda or is trying to justify their 4500 dollar purchases (which is an agenda), but I'm not judging, it's your money do what you like.

However I am thinking of giving my SO a watch, she was interested in an expensive Rose Gold watch, but it was outside of my budget for gifting, and the band was a bit too thick.

So what I'm considering is a Rose Gold watch (probably plated stainless steel) that is of decent quality thinner wrist band, no bling (she hates that stuff), and in the area of $100, but while I can say this price is good or bad, and look at a brand and say I've heard of them. I literally know nothing about watch brands and quality.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    That's nice, although something like this is a bit more what I think she wants, but I need it cheaper.
    http://www.chronograph-divers.com/orient-db07005z-fdb07005z-rose-gold-plated-automatic-womens-watch/

  • MidshipmanMidshipman Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    I'm personally a big fan of Seiko and Citizen watches. Their good ones usually start at just below $200 retail, but you can occasionally find them on sale for right around $100. One thing to test out when evaluating the quality of a watch is to hold it up to your ear and listen for movement noises. Most quality watches will be utterly silent even when held up to your ear. Cheap Timexs or other cheap watches will be very loud in comparison.

    Beyond that, watches tend to be either quartz or mechanical movement. Quartz watches use a quartz crystal for keeping time while mechanical watches actually use a complicated system of gears for time-keeping. Quartz watches are less expensive but potentially more rugged and not susceptible to being ruined by strong magnets. Other things to compare when looking for a watch are how water-resistant it is, the weight of the watch, scratch resistant the face material is, and how readable the watch is (does it have glowing hands, back-light, etc).

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    The sad truth about watches is that the objective qualities of what makes a watch do its job (keep time, not break down) have no bearing on its cost or perceived value. If you accept that this is essentially a jewelry piece, then that will go a long way towards assessing what makes a watch "good".

    Find something that looks pretty that is from a reputable brand, and you'll be set. Some features like automatic movement and water resistance are also nice, just for general wear-ability, but in all honesty no one wears a watch to tell time.

    As with any luxury good, the price pyramid gets very steep very quickly. A nice Seiko will run you a few hundred dollars, but try going beyond that and you quickly reach into the several thousands of dollars.

  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Specifically, look at the crystal. You'll want mineral glass at the very least for decent scratch protection. Sapphire is better, but usually only found on higher end watches.

    Water resistance is usually measured in ATMs - You can shower with it at 5ATM, swim at 10ATM, and dive at 20ATM. Note that having the battery changed can affect this.

    Make sure the watch case and band doesn't contain any base metal. That shit will turn yellow and corrode all along the back. If the watch says "stainless steel case back", don't even look at it (that's code for "but the rest of the case is shit").

    I sold watches for many years. I can't think of anything else at the moment.

  • MidshipmanMidshipman Registered User regular
    but in all honesty no one wears a watch to tell time.

    What?

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    Midshipman wrote: »
    but in all honesty no one wears a watch to tell time.

    What?

    Cellphones are the new pocketwatch.

  • BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Esh wrote: »
    Midshipman wrote: »
    but in all honesty no one wears a watch to tell time.

    What?

    Cellphones are the new pocketwatch.

    Agreed. Plus there are watches everywhere we go. In the cars, on the computers, the kitchen equipment...

    For most people I'll guess the only time without a timepiece being near gotta be when doing outdoor leisure activities and even then most will have some electronics near by.



    EDIT! I deleted a paragraph here. I took Fantasma's Orient reference to be a Geographical one and not a Company one (why are there no font controls when editing a published post).



    Finding something in rose-gold plate should be possible. It's a colour that gotten increasingly popular lately.


    Origin aside. When ever buying something in metal that is to be worn then it is very important to avoid items that shed Nickel. Some items do and that can cause a life time of allergy! (webmd.com/allergies/guide/nickel-jewelry-allergy) Some countries/regions have laws that prohibit the sale of items to be worn that contain Nickel, but other do not so look out.


    Also - and this more for future reference - in many but unfortunately not all the expensive watches there is a craft behind that is on the very edge of being art. Some of the expensive pieces are expensive because some design company decided that their name could likely sell anything at a premium and this mean they may have cut corners but others come with real ambitions and make stuff of real value. If you find yourself one day shopping for that $4,500 piece then be careful if you know the brand for their clothing, their cars or anything non-time related.

    Some of the companies making the expensive watches have been doing so since the work was about how to make a watch that would keep time. Something we take for granted today but back then it was very different. Here is a link to a lesser know of those original companies: girard-perregaux.com/heritage-histoire/heritage-en.aspx

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Thanks guys, you've given me some ideas.

  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Sorry, I don't think I'm much help here..

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    http://www.tokyoflash.com/en/watches/1/ These guys sell some cool watches.

    I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of what the OP is looking for.

  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    Esh wrote: »
    http://www.tokyoflash.com/en/watches/1/ These guys sell some cool watches.

    I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of what the OP is looking for.

    Which is why I thought about it, and edited my post. A shame that we can't delete our posts. :/

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  • MidshipmanMidshipman Registered User regular
    Esh wrote: »
    Midshipman wrote: »
    but in all honesty no one wears a watch to tell time.

    What?

    Cellphones are the new pocketwatch.

    99% of the time when I want to know what time it is, I look at my wristwatch.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Not to try and poach this post, but I'm gonna poach this post.

    I've been looking for a men's watch for myself for a long time that is simple. I mean like, black and stainless steel? Classy, I guess? Basically the opposite of that Bart posted there. Something without all of that random shit on the face (miniature timers or whatever the hell).

    This has been incredibly hard to find.

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  • MidshipmanMidshipman Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Not to try and poach this post, but I'm gonna poach this post.

    I've been looking for a men's watch for myself for a long time that is simple. I mean like, black and stainless steel? Classy, I guess? Basically the opposite of that Bart posted there. Something without all of that random shit on the face (miniature timers or whatever the hell).

    This has been incredibly hard to find.

    Something like either of these?
    http://www.sears.com/bulova-mens-calendar-date-watch-w-diamond-accent-black/p-04413639000P?prdNo=3&ViewAll=true&blockNo=3&blockType=G3
    http://www.sears.com/citizen-mens-eco-drive-watch-with-round-black/p-04440016000P?prdNo=13&blockNo=13&blockType=G13

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  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    For what its worth, I've got two Victorinox watches that I love. One is a 'dressier' silver and the other is a flat black fabric band style.

  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Midshipman wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Midshipman wrote: »
    but in all honesty no one wears a watch to tell time.

    What?

    Cellphones are the new pocketwatch.

    99% of the time when I want to know what time it is, I look at my wristwatch.

    Yes, and you are one of the rapidly decreasing number of people that wears them. I can't think of anyone I know off the top of my head that does. I'm sure there's a few (that I know), and obviously the frequency varies over sub-cultural processes, but there's definitely been a marked dive in their wear over the past 10-15 years.

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    I think relating watches to jewlrey is accurate.

  • BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Not to try and poach this post, but I'm gonna poach this post.

    I've been looking for a men's watch for myself for a long time that is simple. I mean like, black and stainless steel? Classy, I guess? Basically the opposite of that Bart posted there. Something without all of that random shit on the face (miniature timers or whatever the hell).

    This has been incredibly hard to find.

    No such thing as black stainless steel. If you want black then that will have to be either metal that has been given a black surface, which then means the black will wear away, or another material that is all black. You could consider going for something ceramic rather than steel - like this:

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    rado.com/en/watches/true-thinline/rado-true-thinline-629.0969.3.015.html

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Not to try and poach this post, but I'm gonna poach this post.

    I've been looking for a men's watch for myself for a long time that is simple. I mean like, black and stainless steel? Classy, I guess? Basically the opposite of that Bart posted there. Something without all of that random shit on the face (miniature timers or whatever the hell).

    This has been incredibly hard to find.

    I picked up this Seiko a few years ago as a sort of everyday non-sport watch, and I'm happy with it. I get compliments pretty regularly on how nice it looks. The one thing about these darker watches, as @BlindZenDriver noted, is that they are essentially coated. If you scratch it hard enough, the coating comes off, and that can pretty much ruin the watch. I don't anticipate I'll be able to keep this thing scratch-free for 10 more years. That being said, I haven't been super careful wearing this one and I haven't gotten a single scratch on it yet, so they are pretty resilient.

    Citizen, Seiko, Victorinox, Omega, Movado, Bulova, and Nautica (a Timex brand) are all generally reputable and will back their products (if you buy from an authorized dealer). I've seen Invicta watches, and picked one up via Woot!, but can't say I was all that impressed with the build quality - there were tiny defects in mine that stand out when someone looks at it closely (which is what people will do when they ask to see your nice, shiny new watch). A good brand doesn't let those things get past QA and out the door.

    Honestly, the best advice I ever got regarding watches is to buy a cheap one that looks relatively nice, and just get used to wearing it. If you haven't worn one regularly, it takes a lot of getting used to, and you will generally bang up whatever you have on while you're "learning" it (not just wearing it, but the habit of putting it on daily, taking it off when appropriate, etc.). No need to jankify your nice $300 watch right out the gate.

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Those are all great suggestions, I particularly like the one that Midshipman posted. Thanks for the tips on the coating, I didn't know that.

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  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Those are all great suggestions, I particularly like the one that Midshipman posted. Thanks for the tips on the coating, I didn't know that.

    I'd wager you'll find something here you'll enjoy.

    http://www.nixon.com/mens/watches/

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  • MidshipmanMidshipman Registered User regular
    Hewn wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Those are all great suggestions, I particularly like the one that Midshipman posted. Thanks for the tips on the coating, I didn't know that.

    I'd wager you'll find something here you'll enjoy.

    http://www.nixon.com/mens/watches/

    Interesting. Those look like left-handed watches.

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  • useless4useless4 Registered User regular
    They do make some lefties. So does Invicta in the affordable range. Weirdly if you are left handed and never worn one, you will find it really weird to suddenly having the crown dig into your wrist.

  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    One thing to check is the colour of the buckles of you favored belts and cufflinks, as well as your shoes and belts if you're thinking of leather straps.

    Oh, and watch out for self-winding watches. They can be touchy, as wearing one too much can overwind it and make it go fast.

  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Not to try and poach this post, but I'm gonna poach this post.

    I've been looking for a men's watch for myself for a long time that is simple. I mean like, black and stainless steel? Classy, I guess? Basically the opposite of that Bart posted there. Something without all of that random shit on the face (miniature timers or whatever the hell).

    This has been incredibly hard to find.

    UniformWares makes amazing looking minimalist watches.
    uniform-wares-103.jpg
    http://www.uniformwares.com/products/all

  • TokyoVTokyoV Registered User regular
    I know lots about men's watches and zero about women's, but if the same rules apply, any watch should be under $200, or over $5000. I find that the go to place in Canada for them is The Bay. I don't know what the American equivalent is (Macy's maybe?). At any rate, you should be able to great watches for under $200

  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Not to try and poach this post, but I'm gonna poach this post.

    I've been looking for a men's watch for myself for a long time that is simple. I mean like, black and stainless steel? Classy, I guess? Basically the opposite of that Bart posted there. Something without all of that random shit on the face (miniature timers or whatever the hell).

    This has been incredibly hard to find.

    I like the Weekender series for Timex for a cheap everyday watch. Or this Seiko which gives automatic movement and a nicer crystal. It's cheap enough you could pick up a stainless bracelet for more formal wear.

    I wear a Rolex knockoff with a Nato, but don't know how people feel about knockoffs.

  • RichardTauberRichardTauber Kvlt Registered User regular
    Bagginses wrote: »
    Bagginses wrote: »
    One thing to check is the colour of the buckles of you favored belts and cufflinks, as well as your shoes and belts if you're thinking of leather straps.

    Oh, and watch out for self-winding watches. They can be touchy, as wearing one too much can overwind it and make it go fast.

    No. An automatic (self-winding) watch can't overwind itself. They do require service once every now and then though to minimze wear due to drying oils and friction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainspring#The_myth_of_.27overwinding.27

  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    Bagginses wrote: »
    Bagginses wrote: »
    One thing to check is the colour of the buckles of you favored belts and cufflinks, as well as your shoes and belts if you're thinking of leather straps.

    Oh, and watch out for self-winding watches. They can be touchy, as wearing one too much can overwind it and make it go fast.

    No. An automatic (self-winding) watch can't overwind itself. They do require service once every now and then though to minimze wear due to drying oils and friction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainspring#The_myth_of_.27overwinding.27

    That doesn't explain why mine ran fast if I didn't take it off for half of the day, though.

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Was everything around you moving at near-light speeds?

  • RichardTauberRichardTauber Kvlt Registered User regular
    Bagginses wrote: »
    Bagginses wrote: »
    Bagginses wrote: »
    Bagginses wrote: »
    One thing to check is the colour of the buckles of you favored belts and cufflinks, as well as your shoes and belts if you're thinking of leather straps.

    Oh, and watch out for self-winding watches. They can be touchy, as wearing one too much can overwind it and make it go fast.

    No. An automatic (self-winding) watch can't overwind itself. They do require service once every now and then though to minimze wear due to drying oils and friction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainspring#The_myth_of_.27overwinding.27

    That doesn't explain why mine ran fast if I didn't take it off for half of the day, though.

    Well, positional variation is a factor. When the watch is resting in different positions, different variations in gain/loss is experienced. My rolex gains a second every night if rested face up and loses a second if rested face down. When worn it constantly gains half a second per day. On a less accurate watch that hasn't been properly calibrated and setup, anything is possible due to a number of factors such as mainspring wear and/or poor positional variation calibration.

    Servicing an automatic watch isn't optional. One might replace cheaper automatic watches rather than servicing them, but every now and then your automatic watch is going to start behaving oddly and a service will be in order. There are stories of watches going decades without servicing, but it's not recommended as the wear on different parts will be quite severe and possibly movement-destroying.

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    TokyoV wrote: »
    I know lots about men's watches and zero about women's, but if the same rules apply, any watch should be under $200, or over $5000. I find that the go to place in Canada for them is The Bay. I don't know what the American equivalent is (Macy's maybe?). At any rate, you should be able to great watches for under $200

    Under $200 or over $5000?

    So you either drive a 1986 Geo Metro or a Porsche? Nothing in between?

    Your statement is bullshit and you know it.

    Thee are good watches and bad watches in every price range, from the cheap Chinese made $20 digital watches you buy from a drugstore, to the bespoke hand-crafted multiple tourbillion million dollar works of art Arab Sheikhs like to have special rooms built for in their palaces.

  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    Less than 200 hundred means you are generally limiting to yourself to mineral faces and non automatic (quartz only) movement.

    Everyone caries phones, we all have the time nowadays. A watch is jewellery. Find something that looks nice and will wear well.

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