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[cars] Battery keeps dying can't figure out why.

EWomEWom Registered User regular
The battery in my Blazer keeps getting drained and dying. Thinking it was an old battery, that just needed replacing, I replaced it, same thing happens to the new battery. Mechanic said well it has to be the alternator, so now that has been replaced. Same thing keeps happening. Nothing visual, or audible is running to let me know what is killing the battery (ie lights,radio etc). Any ideas? $350.00 later, I don't have anymore money to throw at things that might be, but aren't actually the problem.

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  • RaekreuRaekreu Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Was the new alternator new-new or was it pulled from another car? Also, are your battery connections grodilated, rusty, or frayed?

    If you have access to a multimeter you can check the voltage on the car while it's running, IIRC a good alternator + battery should read something like 13.2-13.5 volts.

    Raekreu on
  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    Brand new battery and brand new alternator. Connections are clean. My car is reading 10.5 volts. Research shows mine should be reading at least 12.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • VarinnVarinn Vancouver, BCRegistered User regular
    Take your car to a different mechanic, any competent tech would be able to tell you quite easily if you were getting proper charge from your alternator before throwing parts at it. Are you getting 10.5 volts with the car running, key on engine off, or key off? Many shops will test this for you for free as it should only take a couple of minutes. Does your car have trouble starting after sitting for a while or can you drive, turn it off and immediately have slow cranking when restarting?

  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    10.5 volts with the engine running. Other than when the battery is dead or almost dead, it will start easy every time.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • PelPel Registered User regular
    Off the top of my head, if I were to start trying to find your problem I'd start this way, with the car turned off. Sorry for the long, complex crap, but I tried to simplify my thoughts as much as possible.

    1: Read the voltage at the battery terminals with the battery connected. Take note of this number.
    2: Disconnect the battery terminals.
    3: Read the battery voltage. Should be at least 13 (13.5 is optimal).

    At this point, if the voltage is different at all, something is drawing power from the battery, and is likely what is causing your issue. I'll get into that more later (since it will likely be the case), either way, proceed:

    4: If the battery voltage is less than 13.5v, then charge the battery off the car (autozone or someplace similar will often do this for free if you don't have a charger) until the voltage is appropriate. If the battery won't charge to an appropriate level, then its shot. If it charges to an appropriate level but loses charge while disconnected from the car, it's shot. Take it back and get another. Once you have another battery, check the voltage, and stick it on the car and start over: the battery might have been your problem, but you still need to check for that voltage difference indicating a power draw, in case it's the REASON your battery went bad. Otherwise, once the battery is charged, stick it on the car and start over with a fully charged battery. You need to know if something in the car's wiring system is drawing power.

    5: From here, there are 3 possible scenarios:
    a:You discovered your (new) battery was bad, and replaced it, and confirmed that with a new, charged, battery, your car was running at an appropriate voltage.

    b:You discovered that something in your car was drawing power from the battery even while off, and you need to find out what it is.

    c:You didn't discover crap, because you made sure the battery was charged and then there didn't seem to be a difference.

    If (b), there's either a dead short in your wiring system or something is running when it shouldn't.
    If (c), there's either a dead short in your wiring system, or something is running when it shouldn't, or your new alternator isn't working right, and you're losing charge slowly. Take your car to AutoZone and have them test your alternator for free.

    If it's not your alternator, and it's not your battery, then you need to begin the possibly long and painful process of troubleshooting your electronics.

    If your car is drawing power ALL OF THE TIME (Option (b)), then remove fuses one at a time until the power draw stops (voltage returns to a normal level). If you can pinpoint the problem to a certain fuse/system, then you can proceed from there. If it never stops, the problem is before your fuseblock: probably a main battery cable rubbing the frame or something. Good luck!

    If your car is NOT drawing power all of the time, and the alternator tested fine, then, good luck! You're tasked with the challenge of turning things on in the car until your voltage drops so you can figure out what's killing you.

    No matter what you do, I would probably avoid that mechanic. Best case, he replaced your alternator with one that's already bad by accident. Worse case, he replaced an alternator that didn't need replacing because he couldn't be bothered to do a 5 minute test properly. Worst case, he did nothing and charged you for it.

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    A brand new alternator fitted correctly should charge at 14.2-14.4 volts.

    It seems like if a different alternator was fitted to your car at all, it is faulty.

  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    Ok, guess I'll be looking for a different mechanic then.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • FreiFrei A French Prometheus Unbound DeadwoodRegistered User regular
    My car had this same problem. It would slowly drain overnight and throughout the day. Went through a battery and an alternator, they were both eventually found to be fine.

    In the mean time, what I did was get a small solar panel that goes on the dashboard and plugs into the cigarette lighter. It's handy because it prevents your battery from going dead even if there is a drain on it. Most auto shops have them and they're only around 30 bucks.

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  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    That is interesting, I think I'm going to try that.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • crashhelmetcrashhelmet Registered User new member
    Out of curiosity, do you add anything new or make any changes right before it started happening? New stereo, amplifier, alarm system, etc?

  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    Nope.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Pel is right. I had the same problem, and it was the trunk light going while the vehicle was off.

  • finralfinral Registered User regular
    I had a similar problem, and it turned out that an ipod plugged into a cigarette lighter was causing the drain. Not enough to drain it over a night, but over a few days, it sucked out a lot of juice apparently.

  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    Update: Went over to my buddies house today and hung out for awhile. Went out and my battery was dead. We jumped my car and let it run hooked up to his for awhile (somewhere between 5-10min). When we unplugged my car from his, the lights dimmed immediately, all the gauges and lights inside turned off, and within 1 min my car was dead. Where it sits, until I figure out what to do.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • PelPel Registered User regular
    If the short is that bad, it may have prematurely killed your alternator before. Therefore it is possible that your mechanic did not do his due diligence but at least didn't also rip you off. If you put a full battery in and it dies in minutes, it's a serious and possibly dangerous short. Either inside the battery or on one of the main connections. Make sure the new battery isn't shorting out when you close the hood, and move the cables around and look for sparks.

  • RaekreuRaekreu Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    EWom, that sounds suspiciously like a bad alternator. When the car is running, it shouldn't be drawing current from the battery.

    Are you certain that your mechanic actually changed out the old one for a new one?

    Edit: don't rule out the chance that there's a wiring issue, could be a ground somewhere in the loop that's causing the current to go where it isn't supposed to or getting there in the wrong amount. Bad fuse, frayed wire, more resistance than there should be, etc.

    Raekreu on
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    I would also worry that the mechanic might have been trying to do ewom a steady and use a used alternator to help him save some money and it was also broken.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    Well the alternator looks shiny and new, so at the very least it's not the one that was in there before.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    Update: My car has been towed to a different mechanic, although he said he probably won't get to it, until after the holiday. I'll come back and update this thread with the cause, if he finds it.

    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • kturnerkturner Registered User new member
    I know this is a couple years ago but any update? I'm having the same issue with my car and I cannot figure out the issue. I am going in tomorrow to get it figured out. Alternator tested fine even with the car on, (aside from one test when the mechanic said it was the voltage regulator.) I replaced my battery with my warranty as well. Maybe my vehicle is doing the same thing that yours is...?

  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    @kturner
    Yeah first mechanic put a new alternator in that was bad, and killed my battery. Second mechanic backed me up, first mechanic replaced it and batter for no cost.

    EWom on
    Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Nice, glad to hear that EWom.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • donicazdonicaz Registered User new member
    I have a 1999 chevy suburban that I got as a salvage title. My battery keeps draining and I have gone through 2 new batteries and an alternator. The car apparently was hit on the rear drivers side back panel and light and every once in a while when i use my blinker it blinks crazy fast and at night sometimes my headlights flicker. I have replaced the whole back light and bulb and dont know what to do next. I have no more money to invest in what I call my death trap. Please any suggestions???

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