I sort-of wish that the mud movers in this game were just AI-controlled creeps. It really, really sucks when either:
a) The matchmaker decides that what you need is a team comprised entirely of interceptors.
or
b) Your bombers just wander around the map and / or behave like wannabe fighters.
I suspect things will become more focused once tanks and planes are on the same maps. Players will be more motivated to actually bomb when there are other players to kill.
That said, a gameplay mode with NPC bomber fleets and player interceptors would be pretty neat.
I sort-of wish that the mud movers in this game were just AI-controlled creeps. It really, really sucks when either:
a) The matchmaker decides that what you need is a team comprised entirely of interceptors.
or
b) Your bombers just wander around the map and / or behave like wannabe fighters.
I suspect things will become more focused once tanks and planes are on the same maps. Players will be more motivated to actually bomb when there are other players to kill.
That said, a gameplay mode with NPC bomber fleets and player interceptors would be pretty neat.
Does anyone know I'd they're uppiing the player count as they introduce the other modes of transport? Though to be fair it can already get pretty crowded up in the skies. So maybe less planes will be better.
Also that U.S instruction video was awesome in so many ways. I've already been employing most of the tactics there, but its good to hear them from an authoratative source.
I'm now keeping my fingers crossed that WT runs okay on my crappy lappy, because I'm definitely going to miss not playing over Christmas.
My only real issue with the game is that the game mode and spawns seem set up to not really encourage fighters to play the objective and just dog fight instead (which is fun, don't get me wrong).
So I'm interested to see what sort of situations we get with tanks involved.
Also I can't help but wonder if the new RP system is one of those 'technically better but feels worse' situations. I mean, technically I know have to get less matches played to get to the plane I want, but I can't help but feel that it was more enjoyable to have three times the grind dumping you into a whole tier rather than a third of the grind for just one plane.
Ran into Albino just now; he (she?) skunked me with the rear gun on the Stuka, but then I dove-rammed like a champ (???) with a low value plane, which is totally a win in my book.
Had a toxic rager on my team, which I haven't has a lot of in this game so far.
Also I can't help but wonder if the new RP system is one of those 'technically better but feels worse' situations. I mean, technically I know have to get less matches played to get to the plane I want, but I can't help but feel that it was more enjoyable to have three times the grind dumping you into a whole tier rather than a third of the grind for just one plane.
I can see it looking worse at the lower end where previously going up a tier meant you were unlocking half a dozen planes, regardless of whether or not you actually wanted half of those.
Coming from someone who was in the early-to-mid teens in all of the nations, where you started running into whole stretches of tiers with almost nothing to unlock, the RP system is pretty much a godsend.
edit: its also way better than what they originally had in mind, where you needed to get to the bottom of a planes' upgrade tree to be able to research the next plane in the line.
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I love how the British basically get Mustangs that are better than Mustangs but they're one to two tiers lower. The first Typhoon I got with the four Hispanos pissed me off because it behaved exactly like my three 51Ds but better in rate of climb and seemingly in pitch rate. Oh and it has four fucking 20mm cannons.
I wish they'd bring the Mustangs down to tier 3 or at least make up some horseshit paper variant of it for the US that has 20s. Six fifties are great at tier 2 on the Kittyhawk and Hellcat, but when you're going up against Doras and Shiden-Kais it is simply not enough firepower.
Either I'm actually getting good at a game, or the A6M3 and A6M2 are overpowered. Either way, once you get the hang of how to fight with Japanese planes, they can wreck face.
All this talk about ACM reminded me of the very helpful videos that were recommended to me.
These videos really changed they way I play. The way he does barrel rolls, that maneuver when done right can be very useful. He uses a joystick but you can pull off something similar by pitching up with the keyboard and then moving the mouse in a circle.
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Either I'm actually getting good at a game, or the A6M3 and A6M2 are overpowered. Either way, once you get the hang of how to fight with Japanese planes, they can wreck face.
I've been working on unlocking T2 for all nations, and next to Soviets I find the Brits a little OP. They turn very well, though perhaps not as well as the Japs, but they also dive and climb like mad and have plenty of firepower. I don't see any weaknesses in the Hurricanes or the Spitfires.
EDIT: Forgot the real point of the reply, and that was to jump on the Zero love train. Actually, all the Japanese fighters and heavy fighters. They're all very fun to fly, and extremely effective.
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I'm really curious how they are going to do tiering with tanks. I'm assuming they are going to do it like they do aircraft, based on era. Finding early era tanks is going to be pretty lame. Most carried blisters of LMGs or a single HMG rather than a cannon. In the stream they said they aren't implementing MGs yet as they don't have much use. If we map the same eras to tiers as aircraft, everything from T2 onward will be okay but T1 might be interesting.
Maybe the eras aren't going to be 1-5 and may be something smaller like 1-3? Then the tiers of the aircraft will not necessarily match the tiers of the tanks. That might make tanks really vulnerable to light cannon (20mm) from the sky (example: early tanks against later aircraft).
Early on, the designation of light, medium/cruiser, or heavy didn't necessarily correspond to their armor protection and more to their battle field role (recon, protection/exploitation, and infantry support - respectively) so even medium and heavy tanks were pretty lightly armored (this changed quickly though as WWII dragged on).
For T1 (assuming 5 tiers) we might see these tanks:
I also see the Japanese armor really falling short in the higher tiers compared to their counterparts. I mean what does Japan have that's comparable to the IS-2?
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Either I'm actually getting good at a game, or the A6M3 and A6M2 are overpowered. Either way, once you get the hang of how to fight with Japanese planes, they can wreck face.
I've been working on unlocking T2 for all nations, and next to Soviets I find the Brits a little OP. They turn very well, though perhaps not as well as the Japs, but they also dive and climb like mad and have plenty of firepower. I don't see any weaknesses in the Hurricanes or the Spitfires.
Its their armament.
While the .303s work well enough against T1 and T2 single-engined fighters, you end up having to rely on them much longer than they're viable.
Basically, note that your only two cannon-armed planes are the Beaufighter and Spit IIB (which is an optional variant on the tree), and then look at the other nations' T2 fighter lineups.
Yeah, I noticed the lack of cannons, and thought that might be the Brit downside.
In my admittedly limited experience it didn't seem like that big a problem. I was able to take out bombers and heavy fighters just fine with the 8+ MGs. Maybe I was just getting lucky.
I'm really excited about the ground forces addition, mostly because some gameplay mechanics behind WoT are balls but also because I have a super rig now so I'm pretty ready for visual fidelity this is bringing to the table.
I hope it has a better player base though. A big issue with WoT is that most games you can't hurt 50% of the other team unless you're one of lucky jerks who got paired down. I was going up against Pershings and Tigers and IS tanks in a Marder II and even though I had a 75mm (huge for its tier) gun it sucked. Once in a blue moon I'd get a match with people close to my tier.
Joining a game and realizing you can't contribute anything is incredibly disheartening, so I hope that doesn't occur too much. Larger player bases means more players at all tiers.
Although it comes with the territory of tanks. At a certain point, you just need a bigger gun for that thicker armor. It just doesn't create the most fun gameplay.
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I'm really excited about the ground forces addition, mostly because some gameplay mechanics behind WoT are balls but also because I have a super rig now so I'm pretty ready for visual fidelity this is bringing to the table.
I hope it has a better player base though. A big issue with WoT is that most games you can't hurt 50% of the other team unless you're one of lucky jerks who got paired down. I was going up against Pershings and Tigers and IS tanks in a Marder II and even though I had a 75mm (huge for its tier) gun it sucked. Once in a blue moon I'd get a match with people close to my tier.
Joining a game and realizing you can't contribute anything is incredibly disheartening, so I hope that doesn't occur too much. Larger player bases means more players at all tiers.
Although it comes with the territory of tanks. At a certain point, you just need a bigger gun for that thicker armor. It just doesn't create the most fun gameplay.
Well with WoT, the damage model isn't as granular as the WT one seems to be. Their dev diary on damage models looks really cool and very detailed (much how WWIIOnline was) and it's hit point based.
Also from the video that Moon posted above, it looks like even though you can't kill, you can certainly damage and disable with smaller caliber guns. In the above example, Entak uses the 20mm from the Pz.II to track a tank he cannot seriously damage. A T34.
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So I've kinda gotten back into this game.
How does one get an invite to play with fellow PAers?
I'm still fairly new, and just playing T1 Arcade battles, but I've researched a couple of planes in T2. I realize you guys are all above that, but I'd still like to play with actual coordination and whatnot.
I'm really excited about the ground forces addition, mostly because some gameplay mechanics behind WoT are balls but also because I have a super rig now so I'm pretty ready for visual fidelity this is bringing to the table.
I hope it has a better player base though. A big issue with WoT is that most games you can't hurt 50% of the other team unless you're one of lucky jerks who got paired down. I was going up against Pershings and Tigers and IS tanks in a Marder II and even though I had a 75mm (huge for its tier) gun it sucked. Once in a blue moon I'd get a match with people close to my tier.
Joining a game and realizing you can't contribute anything is incredibly disheartening, so I hope that doesn't occur too much. Larger player bases means more players at all tiers.
Although it comes with the territory of tanks. At a certain point, you just need a bigger gun for that thicker armor. It just doesn't create the most fun gameplay.
Well with WoT, the damage model isn't as granular as the WT one seems to be. Their dev diary on damage models looks really cool and very detailed (much how WWIIOnline was) and it's hit point based.
Also from the video that Moon posted above, it looks like even though you can't kill, you can certainly damage and disable with smaller caliber guns. In the above example, Entak uses the 20mm from the Pz.II to track a tank he cannot seriously damage. A T34.
Hmm. I'll take it. Anything is an improvement. The addition of PvE tank battles in the future sound amazing.
Does anyone know I'd they're upping the player count as they introduce the other modes of transport? Though to be fair it can already get pretty crowded up in the skies. So maybe less planes will be better.
Also that U.S instruction video was awesome in so many ways. I've already been employing most of the tactics there, but its good to hear them from an authoritative source.
I'm now keeping my fingers crossed that WT runs okay on my crappy lappy, because I'm definitely going to miss not playing over Christmas.
As I understand it, at least when I read about it many months ago, you'll be able to choose a tank or a plane during a match. You can respawn as either one They may have changed their minds on that though.
Speaking of combat maneuvers, Entak made a video awhile ago about a rather risky maneuver I like doing vs people with altitude advantage on me in AB or an alternative for headons. His is in Historical and is more involved, but the concept is the same. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctIpU47qPvk
He looks to pull up in front of them, which is fine for RB, but suicidal in AB (lead indicator telling people where to shoot and energy retention is nuts). I roll over and pull up under them.
I think with what they've said about the ground forces part of the game is that there will be Plane vs Plane with AI tanks(and ships), Tank vs Tank with no Planes, and a mixed mode with both Player controlled planes and tanks on both sides. They've also got Naval side coming at some point, we'll also get Ship to Ship(no planes), Ship to Ship with planes on both sides, and probably a full on invasion map with player controlled Ships, Planes, and Tanks fighting for an island(or at least I hope).
Does anyone know I'd they're upping the player count as Yhey introduce the other modes of transport? Though to be fair it can already get pretty crowded up in the skies. So maybe less planes will be better.
Also that U.S instruction video was awesome in so many ways. I've already been employing most of the tactics there, but its good to hear them from an authoritative source.
I'm now keeping my fingers crossed that WT runs okay on my crappy lappy, because I'm definitely going to miss not playing over Christmas.
As I understand it, at least when I read about it many months ago, you'll be able to choose a tank or a plane during a match. You can respawn as either one They may have changed their minds on that though.
Speaking of combat maneuvers, Entak made a video awhile ago about a rather risky maneuver I like doing vs people with altitude advantage on me in AB or an alternative for headons. His is in Historical and is more involved, but the concept is the same. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctIpU47qPvk
He looks to pull up in front of them, which is fine for RB, but suicidal in AB (lead indicator telling people where to shoot and energy retention is nuts). I roll over and pull up under them.
Just a note, the Ki-96 is currently 50% off. It's quite a delightful heavy fighter, outrunning most interceptors and packing three cannons which chew through other aircraft. Unfortunately the cockpit isn't modelled, which bugs me (seriously, shouldn't all aircraft at least have cockpits?). But oh well.
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I suspect things will become more focused once tanks and planes are on the same maps. Players will be more motivated to actually bomb when there are other players to kill.
That said, a gameplay mode with NPC bomber fleets and player interceptors would be pretty neat.
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But that IS in the game
Also that U.S instruction video was awesome in so many ways. I've already been employing most of the tactics there, but its good to hear them from an authoratative source.
I'm now keeping my fingers crossed that WT runs okay on my crappy lappy, because I'm definitely going to miss not playing over Christmas.
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So I'm interested to see what sort of situations we get with tanks involved.
Also I can't help but wonder if the new RP system is one of those 'technically better but feels worse' situations. I mean, technically I know have to get less matches played to get to the plane I want, but I can't help but feel that it was more enjoyable to have three times the grind dumping you into a whole tier rather than a third of the grind for just one plane.
:P
Ran into Albino just now; he (she?) skunked me with the rear gun on the Stuka, but then I dove-rammed like a champ (???) with a low value plane, which is totally a win in my book.
Had a toxic rager on my team, which I haven't has a lot of in this game so far.
If you took out my Stuka you make me sad, because holy hell getting a decent match out of that thing is hard.
Also yeah, that guy was league of legends level of all chat rage.
You skunked me hard with your rear gun.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/7kl_JtP6oUE
It covers an assortment of maneuvers, pursuit angles, types of energy, etc. and all in a pretty easy to understand way (complete with pictures!).
I can see it looking worse at the lower end where previously going up a tier meant you were unlocking half a dozen planes, regardless of whether or not you actually wanted half of those.
Coming from someone who was in the early-to-mid teens in all of the nations, where you started running into whole stretches of tiers with almost nothing to unlock, the RP system is pretty much a godsend.
edit: its also way better than what they originally had in mind, where you needed to get to the bottom of a planes' upgrade tree to be able to research the next plane in the line.
I wish they'd bring the Mustangs down to tier 3 or at least make up some horseshit paper variant of it for the US that has 20s. Six fifties are great at tier 2 on the Kittyhawk and Hellcat, but when you're going up against Doras and Shiden-Kais it is simply not enough firepower.
This. Learn it.
Either I'm actually getting good at a game, or the A6M3 and A6M2 are overpowered. Either way, once you get the hang of how to fight with Japanese planes, they can wreck face.
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Is it me or is the video quality really poop, even on 1080?
http://steamcommunity.com/id/pablocampy
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These videos really changed they way I play. The way he does barrel rolls, that maneuver when done right can be very useful. He uses a joystick but you can pull off something similar by pitching up with the keyboard and then moving the mouse in a circle.
I've been working on unlocking T2 for all nations, and next to Soviets I find the Brits a little OP. They turn very well, though perhaps not as well as the Japs, but they also dive and climb like mad and have plenty of firepower. I don't see any weaknesses in the Hurricanes or the Spitfires.
EDIT: Forgot the real point of the reply, and that was to jump on the Zero love train. Actually, all the Japanese fighters and heavy fighters. They're all very fun to fly, and extremely effective.
Maybe the eras aren't going to be 1-5 and may be something smaller like 1-3? Then the tiers of the aircraft will not necessarily match the tiers of the tanks. That might make tanks really vulnerable to light cannon (20mm) from the sky (example: early tanks against later aircraft).
Early on, the designation of light, medium/cruiser, or heavy didn't necessarily correspond to their armor protection and more to their battle field role (recon, protection/exploitation, and infantry support - respectively) so even medium and heavy tanks were pretty lightly armored (this changed quickly though as WWII dragged on).
For T1 (assuming 5 tiers) we might see these tanks:
USA : T1E2 (or E4), T5 Medium, T1 Medium, Marmon-Herrington CTL Series
Germany : VK-31, PzKpfw I Ausf B, PzKpfw II Ausf B
USSR : BT-5, BT-7, T-35, T-26B, T-26C, T-28
UK : Cruiser MkI A9, Cruiser MkII A10
Japan : Type 95 Ha-Go, Type 89 Chi-Ro, Type 97 Chi-Ha, Type 97 Te-Ke
I also see the Japanese armor really falling short in the higher tiers compared to their counterparts. I mean what does Japan have that's comparable to the IS-2?
While the .303s work well enough against T1 and T2 single-engined fighters, you end up having to rely on them much longer than they're viable.
Basically, note that your only two cannon-armed planes are the Beaufighter and Spit IIB (which is an optional variant on the tree), and then look at the other nations' T2 fighter lineups.
In my admittedly limited experience it didn't seem like that big a problem. I was able to take out bombers and heavy fighters just fine with the 8+ MGs. Maybe I was just getting lucky.
I hope it has a better player base though. A big issue with WoT is that most games you can't hurt 50% of the other team unless you're one of lucky jerks who got paired down. I was going up against Pershings and Tigers and IS tanks in a Marder II and even though I had a 75mm (huge for its tier) gun it sucked. Once in a blue moon I'd get a match with people close to my tier.
Joining a game and realizing you can't contribute anything is incredibly disheartening, so I hope that doesn't occur too much. Larger player bases means more players at all tiers.
Although it comes with the territory of tanks. At a certain point, you just need a bigger gun for that thicker armor. It just doesn't create the most fun gameplay.
Well with WoT, the damage model isn't as granular as the WT one seems to be. Their dev diary on damage models looks really cool and very detailed (much how WWIIOnline was) and it's hit point based.
Also from the video that Moon posted above, it looks like even though you can't kill, you can certainly damage and disable with smaller caliber guns. In the above example, Entak uses the 20mm from the Pz.II to track a tank he cannot seriously damage. A T34.
How does one get an invite to play with fellow PAers?
I'm still fairly new, and just playing T1 Arcade battles, but I've researched a couple of planes in T2. I realize you guys are all above that, but I'd still like to play with actual coordination and whatnot.
IGN is bejamus, so expect a request from me.
Hmm. I'll take it. Anything is an improvement. The addition of PvE tank battles in the future sound amazing.
As I understand it, at least when I read about it many months ago, you'll be able to choose a tank or a plane during a match. You can respawn as either one They may have changed their minds on that though.
Speaking of combat maneuvers, Entak made a video awhile ago about a rather risky maneuver I like doing vs people with altitude advantage on me in AB or an alternative for headons. His is in Historical and is more involved, but the concept is the same.
He looks to pull up in front of them, which is fine for RB, but suicidal in AB (lead indicator telling people where to shoot and energy retention is nuts). I roll over and pull up under them.
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At first the round not ending when it was only enemy AI left was annoying. Now, though...
It's like basically a Kulbit: WW2 Edition. Neat.
Plus it's just a little bit sexy.
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