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Hironobu Sakaguchi, the feller who created yon Final Fantasy franchise and recently the much hyped Blue Dragon recently through his (brown rimmed, feather decorated fedora) hat into the console wars. .
"I feel that the Final Fantasy series should come to Xbox 360 as well. This is wise. It makes so much sense to me...it has so much potential in North America and in Europe. So there's a great chance for the series to succeed on 360 as well."
Good news for 360 owners. Sakaguchi definitely has (or should have) some weight to his opinion. I mean, he has been an insanely productive and influential member of Japanese society for quite some time. The 360 already looked like a good place for the Final Fantasy series, and now with the backing of the creator, is it any closer to becoming the truth?
I'm excited, mostly, because I don't want to have to buy the Playstation Triple to play FFXIII.
I feel like I could resist buying a PS3 just to play Final Fantasy, but if it came to the 360 I would probably take the plunge. I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or not.
At the very least they can use the franchises leverage to extort billions of yen from Sony, who's probably starting to get a little desperate for big-name exclusives.
My favourite quote from this interview is when Sakaguchi was asked how he'd feel if his new franchises had to face his old ones headed up by Tetsuya Nomura
"I'm willing to break them into pieces, crush them at my feet. [laughs]"
Just gotta keep things into perspective, fellas. I mean, that's the new generation of RPG players. That's the generation of the PS3... I mean, PS Triple. The moment you buy one, you get a bad haircut, forget most of the english language, and say "nigga", even though you're what looks like a skinny asian kid.
Hironobu Sakaguchi, the feller who created yon Final Fantasy franchise and recently the much hyped Blue Dragon recently through his (brown rimmed, feather decorated fedora) hat into the console wars. .
"I feel that the Final Fantasy series should come to Xbox 360 as well. This is wise. It makes so much sense to me...it has so much potential in North America and in Europe. So there's a great chance for the series to succeed on 360 as well."
Good news for 360 owners. Sakaguchi definitely has (or should have) some weight to his opinion. I mean, he has been an insanely productive and influential member of Japanese society for quite some time. The 360 already looked like a good place for the Final Fantasy series, and now with the backing of the creator, is it any closer to becoming the truth?
I'm excited, mostly, because I don't want to have to buy the Playstation Triple to play FFXIII.
It makes perfect sense to do it, really. Final Fantasy, whether we like it or not, is a bottomless cash cow. They'd be stupid not to.
Except for the fact that FFXI has barely sold on Xbox 360. That isn't a very good example, since it is 5 years old, but that could be the deciding factor for FFXIII to go to X360. It's also the reason Metal Gear Solid 4 won't ever go to 360. I mean Substance sold like shit on Xbox.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi, the feller who created yon Final Fantasy franchise and recently the much hyped Blue Dragon recently through his (brown rimmed, feather decorated fedora) hat into the console wars. .
"I feel that the Final Fantasy series should come to Xbox 360 as well. This is wise. It makes so much sense to me...it has so much potential in North America and in Europe. So there's a great chance for the series to succeed on 360 as well."
Good news for 360 owners. Sakaguchi definitely has (or should have) some weight to his opinion. I mean, he has been an insanely productive and influential member of Japanese society for quite some time. The 360 already looked like a good place for the Final Fantasy series, and now with the backing of the creator, is it any closer to becoming the truth?
I'm excited, mostly, because I don't want to have to buy the Playstation Triple to play FFXIII.
It makes perfect sense to do it, really. Final Fantasy, whether we like it or not, is a bottomless cash cow. They'd be stupid not to.
Except for the fact that FFXI has barely sold on Xbox 360. That isn't a very good example, since it is 5 years old, but that could be the deciding factor for FFXIII to go to X360. It's also the reason Metal Gear Solid 4 won't ever go to 360. I mean Substance sold like shit on Xbox.
You can't compare the sales of an MMO you have to pay for every month to the sales of a normal JRPG.
You CAN'T.
I still don't think anything that's a Playstation franchise will come to 360.
I love my 360, but I don't see any news regarding franchise changes in the future.
but I would prefer Final Fantasy to stay on the PS3 exclusively even though I don't own a PS3
How does that make an ounce of sense? Why would I want a game that is traditionally on a console I don't own not to be published for a console I do own. Lunacy. Why would you want to spend MORE money than you have to?
Also, as other people have said, it is unfair to compare the sales of Final Fantasy XI to any other traditional Final Fantasy title if for no other reason than that you have to pay additional fees. Surely a traditional Final Fantasy title would sell at least a million copies on the 360 and it would be a serious coup for Microsoft. Honestly, I don't understand why we haven't seen a Microsoft subsidised development of a traditional Final Fantasy title. It would seem to me that it would be entirely in their interests. It would force the hardcore Final Fantasy lovers who have shyed away from the 360 a reason to purchae the console, entice more Japanese developers to follow suit and perhaps sway some people who considered buying a PS3 to buy a 360 instead (or as well).
The OP also says Sakaguchi has weight in his say, which he obviously doesn't.
What he says has importance because he's an industry heavy weight. Same thing if Yuji Naka said "X game that I used to develop should be on this console for this reason." Don't suddenly forget the importance of these people in their culture simply because we're talking about Final Fantasy.
You do know Sakaguchi has no weight whatsoever at SquareEnix anymore, he works at MistWalker now.
Thanks for reiterating that.
Except for the fact that FFXI has barely sold on Xbox 360.
As it should have. No sense in paying 50$ for Live and then having to pay a subscription fee.
It's also the reason Metal Gear Solid 4 won't ever go to 360. I mean Substance sold like shit on Xbox.
Actually, I'm pretty sure we will be seeing Metal Gear Solid 4 on the 360.
I still don't think anything that's a Playstation franchise will come to 360.
Amored Core? Grand Theft Auto? Final Fantasy? Virtua Fighter?
Also, as other people have said, it is unfair to compare the sales of Final Fantasy XI to any other traditional Final Fantasy title if for no other reason than that you have to pay additional fees. Surely a traditional Final Fantasy title would sell at least a million copies on the 360 and it would be a serious coup for Microsoft. Honestly, I don't understand why we haven't seen a Microsoft subsidised development of a traditional Final Fantasy title. It would seem to me that it would be entirely in their interests. It would force the hardcore Final Fantasy lovers who have shyed away from the 360 a reason to purchae the console, entice more Japanese developers to follow suit and perhaps sway some people who considered buying a PS3 to buy a 360 instead (or as well).
All they would really have to do is offer to pay for the manpower.
I'm interested if their commitment behind Mistwalker could be a sign that they already tried courting Square, and failed?
The OP also says Sakaguchi has weight in his say, which he obviously doesn't.
What he says has importance because he's an industry heavy weight. Same thing if Yuji Naka said "X game that I used to develop should be on this console for this reason." Don't suddenly forget the importance of these people in their culture simply because we're talking about Final Fantasy.
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So really, the good news for 360 owners is that the Japanese developers are finally starting to take it seriously because they're realizing that the NA market is freaking huge and that the 360 already has a big chunk of it (and it doesn't look like the PS3 will have a big chunk of it for quite some time).
I still don't think anything that's a Playstation franchise will come to 360.
Amored Core? Grand Theft Auto? Final Fantasy? Virtua Fighter?
Also, Square's looking at other platforms more than they ever have. While they are by no means abandoning the Playstation brand, they are doing more development for the DS and Wii. FFXII Revenant Wings looks amazing, and DQIX is a huge get for the DS.
Maybe with Sakaguchi's comments they'll start to consider the 360 more in their multi-platform strategies.
You can if it sold well over a million on PS2 and barely 100k on the other system. I did say it might not be that great of an example though.
Uh
When it came out on the PS2
It was kind of sort of brand fucking new and was a way for console gamers to play an MMO without buying a computer, and also, it was Final Fantasy. Every Final Fantasy sells like hotcakes at first.
Then people realized it kinda sucked.
Then other MMOs came out and became quite popular in their own right.
Then the game was finally released on the XBOX with it's installed base of like 1/10 of the PS2's, a system well known for its LACK of RPGs and which was accoridngly not well sought after by the sort of people who might want to play Final Fantasy XI (people who bought PS2s instead because they like RPGs), well after Final Fantasy XI was out of the spotlight.
You've basically made the most asinine comment I've seen all day, but it's early in the day and I just started browsing G&T so I'll let you know later on if you manage to hold the crown.
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You can if it sold well over a million on PS2 and barely 100k on the other system. I did say it might not be that great of an example though.
Uh
When it came out on the PS2
It was kind of sort of brand fucking new and was a way for console gamers to play an MMO without buying a computer, and also, it was Final Fantasy. Every Final Fantasy sells like hotcakes at first.
Then people realized it kinda sucked.
Then other MMOs came out and became quite popular in their own right.
Then the game was finally released on the XBOX with it's installed base of like 1/10 of the PS2's, a system well known for its LACK of RPGs and which was accoridngly not well sought after by the sort of people who might want to play Final Fantasy XI (people who bought PS2s instead because they like RPGs), well after Final Fantasy XI was out of the spotlight.
You've basically made the most asinine comment I've seen all day, but it's early in the day and I just started browsing G&T so I'll let you know later on if you manage to hold the crown.
not brand fucking new in USA...it was 3 years old before it made its way over to the US.
Honestly, I don't understand why we haven't seen a Microsoft subsidised development of a traditional Final Fantasy title.
Because the Japanese aren't solely profit motivated. It's a huge motivator, yeah, but things like loyalty and so forth are actually really big deals to the Japanese, far more so than you see in the decisions made by Western businesses. There's also the chance that Square wouldn't sign on, and publicize the effort to show off how in demand their franchise is, and also extort Sony.
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You can if it sold well over a million on PS2 and barely 100k on the other system. I did say it might not be that great of an example though.
Uh
When it came out on the PS2
It was kind of sort of brand fucking new and was a way for console gamers to play an MMO without buying a computer, and also, it was Final Fantasy. Every Final Fantasy sells like hotcakes at first.
Then people realized it kinda sucked.
Then other MMOs came out and became quite popular in their own right.
Then the game was finally released on the XBOX with it's installed base of like 1/10 of the PS2's, a system well known for its LACK of RPGs and which was accoridngly not well sought after by the sort of people who might want to play Final Fantasy XI (people who bought PS2s instead because they like RPGs), well after Final Fantasy XI was out of the spotlight.
You've basically made the most asinine comment I've seen all day, but it's early in the day and I just started browsing G&T so I'll let you know later on if you manage to hold the crown.
not brand fucking new in USA...it was 3 years old before it made its way over to the US.
Which basically amplifies every statement following that.
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Because the Japanese aren't solely profit motivated. It's a huge motivator, yeah, but things like loyalty and so forth are actually really big deals to the Japanese, far more so than you see in the decisions made by Western businesses. There's also the chance that Square wouldn't sign on, and publicize the effort to show off how in demand their franchise is, and also extort Sony.
I disagree on several charges.
A> That Japanese developers are profit motivated by a large extent. Just look at Square rehashing FFX and FFVII.
B> Profit > Loyalty. Square is another shining example. They dropped Nintendo for Sony in a heartbeat because it would have been a better financial choice. Again, Square is another example with Dragon Quest IX. They seemed to have no problem changing consoles for DQIX. Mainly because the DS would be the best system for the highest profits.
C> Square doesn't need to show off how in demand their franchise is. It's freaking Final Fantasy.
"tryin to say that nintendo had final fantasy before sony? have you ever SEEN a ps1? they had ff7!"
nominated for most flawed argument of all time
There's no chance this guy's for real. Calling him stupid only fuels the flames.
Yeah, I think anyone who made a serious reply to that video (and there are plenty) was fooled and tricked into making a REAL ass of themselves on camera.
And to be on topic, I'll say that while Sakaguchi does carry a lot of weight and is an influential person, wherever FF goes is pretty dependant on what SE wants at this point. They're not big backers of Microsoft and only recently are they starting to show Nintendo a lot of major support again and that's mostly through the DS.
I think BladeofTheImmortal qualified his statements well enough to not deserve being ripped into. You can imagine the suits at S-E going, "well, FFXI didn't sell that well on the Xbox.."
Except for the fact that FFXI has barely sold on Xbox 360.
As it should have. No sense in paying 50$ for Live and then having to pay a subscription fee.
You don't have to have Gold to play MMOs on the 360.
It sold terribly because, by now, most everyone knows it is a terrible MMO. The only people willing to slug through it all ready own it on other systems.
Based on Gears of War sales and FFXII sales, though, I'd say FF needs the 260 in NA more than the 360 needs FF in NA.
Best Selling Games of 2006
4. Gears of War (Xbox 360; 1 million+ sold)
6. Final Fantasy XII (PS2; 895,000+ sold)
Considering the number of people who own a PS2 compared to a PS2, the $10 price difference, and the continued high sales of GoW that is pretty damn impressive.
As a 360 owner, I don't think we 'need' Final Fantasy. Sure it is a sales juggernaut most of the time, but the series has gotten so stale lately that it would probably be eclipsed by some of the much better games on the console.
If anything, let the Playstation guys keep Final Fantasy. Everything about it fits better with the PS3 ethos, from gameplay to cutscenes and graphics.
Because the Japanese aren't solely profit motivated. It's a huge motivator, yeah, but things like loyalty and so forth are actually really big deals to the Japanese, far more so than you see in the decisions made by Western businesses. There's also the chance that Square wouldn't sign on, and publicize the effort to show off how in demand their franchise is, and also extort Sony.
I disagree on several charges.
A> That Japanese developers are profit motivated by a large extent. Just look at Square rehashing FFX and FFVII.
B> Profit > Loyalty. Square is another shining example. They dropped Nintendo for Sony in a heartbeat because it would have been a better financial choice. Again, Square is another example with Dragon Quest IX. They seemed to have no problem changing consoles for DQIX. Mainly because the DS would be the best system for the highest profits.
C> Square doesn't need to show off how in demand their franchise is. It's freaking Final Fantasy.
Nintendo and Sony are both Japanese companies. Microsoft on the other hand doesn't even have a positive public image in North America. Take some of their less kind business practices, and add the angle that they're an outsider trying to muscle into your country's industry. Also, Nintendo was doing a lot to burn bridges at the time that they lost Square to Sony. They alienated a lot of third parties in those days, and Sony was very eager to snap them up. Nintendo had vinegar and Sony had honey, and they were all members of the same club. Those conditions do not exist currently.
Also, to whomever said it, there's no way anyone in a high level management position at Square is dumb enough to be saying that the 360 couldn't carry a Final Fantasy title based on the fact that XI wasn't a blockbuster on the 360. Even if that was their testing ground, it's impossible to ignore the fact that the 360 is in a very different market position than the original XBOX ever was, and has a hell of a lot more going for it than the XBOX ever did. Judging the viability of a hypothetical 360 title based on an XBOX title released under previously stated ludicrously poor conditions is insanity.
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but I would prefer Final Fantasy to stay on the PS3 exclusively even though I don't own a PS3
I'm still waiting for a Euro release of Project Silpheed.
That's what I'd do at least.
No-one was implying that he does.
Reading comprehension FTW
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The OP says, "Good news for 360 owners." Statements like that have the potential to be misunderstood, so I thought I'd be perfectly clear.
Ow. Why did you do that to me?
Us... why did he do that to US.
Okay. Maybe just that kid.
But dammit. He watches way too much Scarface.
:-)
The OP also says Sakaguchi has weight in his say, which he obviously doesn't.
You do know Sakaguchi has no weight whatsoever at SquareEnix anymore, he works at MistWalker now.
Except for the fact that FFXI has barely sold on Xbox 360. That isn't a very good example, since it is 5 years old, but that could be the deciding factor for FFXIII to go to X360. It's also the reason Metal Gear Solid 4 won't ever go to 360. I mean Substance sold like shit on Xbox.
You can't compare the sales of an MMO you have to pay for every month to the sales of a normal JRPG.
You CAN'T.
I still don't think anything that's a Playstation franchise will come to 360.
I love my 360, but I don't see any news regarding franchise changes in the future.
How does that make an ounce of sense? Why would I want a game that is traditionally on a console I don't own not to be published for a console I do own. Lunacy. Why would you want to spend MORE money than you have to?
Also, as other people have said, it is unfair to compare the sales of Final Fantasy XI to any other traditional Final Fantasy title if for no other reason than that you have to pay additional fees. Surely a traditional Final Fantasy title would sell at least a million copies on the 360 and it would be a serious coup for Microsoft. Honestly, I don't understand why we haven't seen a Microsoft subsidised development of a traditional Final Fantasy title. It would seem to me that it would be entirely in their interests. It would force the hardcore Final Fantasy lovers who have shyed away from the 360 a reason to purchae the console, entice more Japanese developers to follow suit and perhaps sway some people who considered buying a PS3 to buy a 360 instead (or as well).
What he says has importance because he's an industry heavy weight. Same thing if Yuji Naka said "X game that I used to develop should be on this console for this reason." Don't suddenly forget the importance of these people in their culture simply because we're talking about Final Fantasy.
Thanks for reiterating that.
As it should have. No sense in paying 50$ for Live and then having to pay a subscription fee.
Actually, I'm pretty sure we will be seeing Metal Gear Solid 4 on the 360.
Amored Core? Grand Theft Auto? Final Fantasy? Virtua Fighter?
All they would really have to do is offer to pay for the manpower.
I'm interested if their commitment behind Mistwalker could be a sign that they already tried courting Square, and failed?
So really, the good news for 360 owners is that the Japanese developers are finally starting to take it seriously because they're realizing that the NA market is freaking huge and that the 360 already has a big chunk of it (and it doesn't look like the PS3 will have a big chunk of it for quite some time).
Also, Square's looking at other platforms more than they ever have. While they are by no means abandoning the Playstation brand, they are doing more development for the DS and Wii. FFXII Revenant Wings looks amazing, and DQIX is a huge get for the DS.
Maybe with Sakaguchi's comments they'll start to consider the 360 more in their multi-platform strategies.
Uh
When it came out on the PS2
It was kind of sort of brand fucking new and was a way for console gamers to play an MMO without buying a computer, and also, it was Final Fantasy. Every Final Fantasy sells like hotcakes at first.
Then people realized it kinda sucked.
Then other MMOs came out and became quite popular in their own right.
Then the game was finally released on the XBOX with it's installed base of like 1/10 of the PS2's, a system well known for its LACK of RPGs and which was accoridngly not well sought after by the sort of people who might want to play Final Fantasy XI (people who bought PS2s instead because they like RPGs), well after Final Fantasy XI was out of the spotlight.
You've basically made the most asinine comment I've seen all day, but it's early in the day and I just started browsing G&T so I'll let you know later on if you manage to hold the crown.
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not brand fucking new in USA...it was 3 years old before it made its way over to the US.
Because the Japanese aren't solely profit motivated. It's a huge motivator, yeah, but things like loyalty and so forth are actually really big deals to the Japanese, far more so than you see in the decisions made by Western businesses. There's also the chance that Square wouldn't sign on, and publicize the effort to show off how in demand their franchise is, and also extort Sony.
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Which basically amplifies every statement following that.
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"tryin to say that nintendo had final fantasy before sony? have you ever SEEN a ps1? they had ff7!"
nominated for most flawed argument of all time
There's no chance this guy's for real. Calling him stupid only fuels the flames.
I disagree on several charges.
A> That Japanese developers are profit motivated by a large extent. Just look at Square rehashing FFX and FFVII.
B> Profit > Loyalty. Square is another shining example. They dropped Nintendo for Sony in a heartbeat because it would have been a better financial choice. Again, Square is another example with Dragon Quest IX. They seemed to have no problem changing consoles for DQIX. Mainly because the DS would be the best system for the highest profits.
C> Square doesn't need to show off how in demand their franchise is. It's freaking Final Fantasy.
And to be on topic, I'll say that while Sakaguchi does carry a lot of weight and is an influential person, wherever FF goes is pretty dependant on what SE wants at this point. They're not big backers of Microsoft and only recently are they starting to show Nintendo a lot of major support again and that's mostly through the DS.
You don't have to have Gold to play MMOs on the 360.
It sold terribly because, by now, most everyone knows it is a terrible MMO. The only people willing to slug through it all ready own it on other systems.
Based on Gears of War sales and FFXII sales, though, I'd say FF needs the 260 in NA more than the 360 needs FF in NA.
Considering the number of people who own a PS2 compared to a PS2, the $10 price difference, and the continued high sales of GoW that is pretty damn impressive.
If anything, let the Playstation guys keep Final Fantasy. Everything about it fits better with the PS3 ethos, from gameplay to cutscenes and graphics.
Nintendo and Sony are both Japanese companies. Microsoft on the other hand doesn't even have a positive public image in North America. Take some of their less kind business practices, and add the angle that they're an outsider trying to muscle into your country's industry. Also, Nintendo was doing a lot to burn bridges at the time that they lost Square to Sony. They alienated a lot of third parties in those days, and Sony was very eager to snap them up. Nintendo had vinegar and Sony had honey, and they were all members of the same club. Those conditions do not exist currently.
Also, to whomever said it, there's no way anyone in a high level management position at Square is dumb enough to be saying that the 360 couldn't carry a Final Fantasy title based on the fact that XI wasn't a blockbuster on the 360. Even if that was their testing ground, it's impossible to ignore the fact that the 360 is in a very different market position than the original XBOX ever was, and has a hell of a lot more going for it than the XBOX ever did. Judging the viability of a hypothetical 360 title based on an XBOX title released under previously stated ludicrously poor conditions is insanity.
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That was so retarded it deserves its own category.
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Quick, someone insert a tired 'All I want for Xmas is a PSP' joke!
Just to dispel some statements.
And that PS Triple video is gold.
FF on X360 wouldnt be that huge of a loss to SONY; as it would still be considered a PS3 game in JAPAN.