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Some writeups on various languages from the pros and such:
Jasconius wrote: »
Language: Python
Framework: Django
Purpose: Developing web applications rapidly

Django was created by a couple of nerds working for the newspaper industry, and they needed to solve the problem of having two practically identical sites (representing two newspapers owned by the same company) that had the ability to share content and generally be controlled from a central location. Thus Django, a flexible web framework that is different enough from Rails to be worth talking about.

Django is a batteries included framework that spends a lot of time trying to solve little things that are typically left to the gem community with Rails. The end result is a uniformly styled and extremely well documented web framework that can get you rolling pretty fast and is still easy enough to extend.

I've been using it for my new job and I've had very few complaints overall.
ASimPerson wrote: »
Language: C
Framework: Aahahahaha
Purpose: My job

Summary: C and its descendants (C++/Java/C#/etc.) are the most popular programming languages in the world. (As co-inventor Dennis Ritchie supposedly said, "C is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success.") The web browser you're using, the OS, most of your applications, most embedded software, the software on your router, the software on your ISP's router, the software on your game console, etc., were all written in C (well, or in C++).

For my job, I write in straight C. No libraries, no frameworks, no C++, no nothin'. C is a programming language for Real Men (tm), which means that there's no memory management and you're free to crash your program in various horrific ways. The trade-off for this is speed and size, attributes which give C its staying power - though proper C is losing favor as an application development language to C++, C#, and the like, it has found a second life in embedded applications and other small devices. I also think there's a certain elegance to the syntax - it's a language from an era when you didn't have a lot of memory, so statements are terse and lack the cruft of some more modern languages (*cough*C++*cough*). And best of all, no right minded C programmer would use LongVariableNamesLikeThis.

There's no shortage of manuals and documentation for the various incarnations of C, but the best reference is still from the source: The C Programming Language, by Kernighan and Ritchie. This book is so ubiquitous and standard that it's known simply as K&R in the field.
Nightslyr wrote: »
Language: C#
Framework: ASP.NET MVC 2 (soon to jump up to 3)
Purpose: Web Development

ASP.NET MVC is Microsoft's answer to the slew of MVC frameworks already available for a variety of open source languages - Rails for Ruby, Django (is that actually a MVC framework?) for Python, and Zend, Code Igniter, and Kohana for PHP. It's a nice addition because, well, web forms suck for the web, and it follows the same basic overall design methodology as everyone else. It's now in its 3rd version, with a completely new view engine - Razor - which is actually pretty cool. I like where Microsoft is going with MVC.

There are a ton of free resources and tutorials available to get started. Like everything else, MVC is fairly simple to learn but difficult to master. It can be as complex as you want it to be.

Personally, I'm having some growing pains getting myself up to the next level/tier in my own skill development. Learning TDD, IoC, Domain Driven Design, etc. I understand the basics, but I'm still learning OOP in general and both C# and ASP.NET, so piling the more advanced (to me) stuff on top of it has been slow going.

Still, I like it more than PHP.
ecco wrote: »
Language: Verilog
Framework: None
Purpose: Low level development

If you thought assembly language was low level, try Verilog or any of the other HDL languages on for size. Verilog is designed to describe how bits change every clock cycle. And not just one bit either, but potentially every bit available in the device that you are developing for.

This allows for massive parallelism - the sheer number of calculations per clock cycle can easily exceed both general purpose processors and DSPs.

It can also drive men insane.

I see square waves everywhere.
Phyphor wrote: »
Language: Lua
Framework: Custom
Purpose: Embeddable scripting

Lua is a neat little language. It is a dynamic, prototype-based language with relatively simple syntax (LL(1) ho!). There are primitive types (bools, numbers, strings, functions, nil), but the only structure for composition is the table, an associative array. Primitive types (except functions) are coerced to other primitive types as needed for operations. Functions are first class objects and it has closures.

Objects are created through special tables known as metatables, which define common operations and allow tables to take on characteristics of a class of objects, in effect allowing single inheritance.

The language is implemented in C and is designed to integrate easily with a host application. The API allows the host application to perform any operation the language can (and more). Lua can freely call functions provided by the host identically to native Lua functions and the host can create special object types that act as any other Lua object.

I mostly use it as a way to get scripting support into C, not as a standalone language, so I don't really know of any frameworks. I use a custom one to provide limited visibility of C++ classes to the scripts.

Oh and someone wrote a JIT compiler
lazerbeard wrote: »
Language: C++
Framework: Proprietary
Purpose: Video game tools/graphics

If you want to make AAA games on a console. You're probably going to end up working with C++, if you like it or not. With 512 megs of shared memory, multiple fiddly "special processing units", people clamoring over sending 64 players' worth of data over a network at an even pace and other wonderful things, performance down to the bit really does matter. Not to mention that the API (and compiler) is written for C++, so you're not getting away from it if you want to work on console games unless you're using XNA. C++ is the tacticool gun of programming languages. If you can do it, you can probably find a way to do it in C++, then you can probably find a way to hack it so that it only uses 10 bits at a time to do it.

Honestly, I don't spend the entirety of my time in this nether realm of pure data as I'm a tools programmer by trade. In a day I'll go between C++, C#, python and back again. Each language has its own sets of advantages and disadvantages, of the three I'd honestly say C# is the most "fun" to work with. C++ still wins out for me, just for being extremely versatile, while keeping performance high. I think the other thing I like about C++ is that the performance cost of anything is laid bare much more in the other languages I work with. Because you are tasked with moving around the bits other languages abstract away, I always feel the performance cost of code I write is much more impressed upon me when I write it in C++. When looking at performance in other langages, I often consider how it would effect performance had I tried the same trick, as underneath the hood the process is most likely similar.
Tallus wrote: »
Language: PHP
Framework: Custom
Purpose: Web development

Although slightly outshone by the relatively new Ruby on Rails, PHP is still a solid choice for Web development. An engine is available for pretty much every web server (Apache and IIS being the major ones of course), it's easy to learn if you come from any kind of c type background and it offers some really neat features if you dig deep enough. Recent releases (5.3 I think) offer true namespacing to add to the plethora of object orientated features already present (if you like that kind of thing). One of the best things about PHP though is that, because it's so widely adopted there's literally tons of tutorials, documentation and samples out there to get you going.


Language: VB (classic)
Framework: Ha, I wish
Purpose: Legacy application development

Yeah I know. I use VB in my day job since I have to maintain a ton of applications written in it. It's slow as hell, the IDE sucks and I really have nothing good to say about it. For all its flaws .Net is a massive improvement on Microsoft's legacy development environments. I did manage to find a plugin for the VB IDE that allows tabbed documents, full screen editing and some other nifty features. I'll see if I can find it if anyone is interested.

Language: Javascript
Framework: jQuery (and jQuery mobile)
Purpose: Web application front end development

Javascript has been around for donkey's years and is pretty much universally supported in modern web browsers. It allows you to do a ton of useful / cool stuff with pages once they're pushed down to the client. jQuery is a briliant javascript framework that offers some amazing features. The core of jQuery revolves aorund 'selectors', basically filters you can use to select any element (or group of elements) on a page before applying code / styles to them. There's also some nifty binding functions, to add functionality to elements after they're rendered and ooooh, all sorts of other things. One of the best things about jQuery (and something that sets it apart from other frameworks) is its support for plugins. There's thousands of plugins available for just about anything you can think of, and they make jQuery into (in my opinion) the best tool in any web designers toolkit. jQuery mobile is an addition to jQuery to enable the building of mobile applications in a consistent manner across just about any mobile platform.

I also do C# and Android development, but can't really think of anything interesting to say about them right now.
Language: F#/C#
Framework: .Net 4.0 Runtime
Purpose: HFT/Non-HFT systems

With Visual Studio 2010, F#, an ML-variant functional language, is now part of the .Net language family. It has full interop capabilities with any existing .Net assemblies and any other .Net languages are capable of loading .Net assemblies written in F# (with a couple of minor issues to watch out for). It's a full functional language and is best when you program it like a functional language and not ML with classes. There's some good resources out there on F#. I've done a couple of larger scale server applications with it and starting to move on to version 2.0 on a few of them. I also mix in C# when needed for things like COM-interop and certain client APIs.

Language: Clojure
Framework: JVM
Purpose: Large-scale data spelunking

Clojure is a neat little functional language that runs in the JVM. Very LISPy, with a heavy emphasis on macros. I mainly use it with Cascading/Hadoop to slam through the massive data sets and extract the various data of interest.

I also putter around with the CUDA/CULA stuff and data parallel Haskell when I have time.
seabass wrote: »
Language: OCaml / C++ / Fortran
Framework: Lisp converted to Ocaml handed To grad students
Purpose: Combinatorial Optimization, Automated Planning, Robot Path finding, other research topics

OCaml is, like F#, an ML-variant with objects. It's particularly nice because it isn't terribly pedantic and lets you mix imperative programming with functional code wherever you feel it's expedient to do so. It's got a full object system which I've never extensively used, but I hear it's nice. You can run the code in an interactive interpreter, or you can compile native binaries which are relatively quick for a language which manages your memory for you.

The big drawback is that we don't have a concurrent garbage collector yet, so while we have threads, they don't behave the way you would want them to. You can work around it by doing any concurrency you'd like at the process level with pipes or something like MPI.
Language: Ruby
Framework: Rails
Purpose: Developing web applications

Ruby on Rails (RoR or often just called 'Rails') is a web application framework with a practical slant. While most frameworks present themselves as a sort of toolbox, Rails goes a step further by favoring convention over configuration. Instead of configuring how the tools interact with each other yourself, Rails infers what you mean to do from a few naming conventions in your class, method, table and path names. If it gets in the way, you can always define what name it should look for instead yourself.

Rails uses the model-view-controller (MVC) architectural pattern to separate the concerns in your code. On the controller side, it favors RESTful style url method coupling. On the model side, it provides an object oriented representation of your database tables. For the views, it provides a templating engine called ERB (I prefer HAML though).

One of the best things of Rails is the developer community. A lot of Rails developers blog about their experiences or post their problems on Stack Overflow. There also is a sort of package manager/repository for Ruby libraries called RubyGems that helps you install, update and resolve dependencies. For configuring what gems you use in your Rails project, you should use Bundler (which is baked into Rails 3). Most gems can be found on github for easy forking.

I can heartily recommend Rails to everyone looking for an easy to use web application framework. It's as easy as "sudo apt-get install rails && rails new ~/myproject".
Infidel wrote: »
Language: SQL
Framework: None
Purpose: Manipulating your datas

SQL is ubiquitous and often taken for granted. Whether you're a Java or C or Access or PHP or what-have-you developer, you'll often be dealing with another language, being SQL. Some might have frameworks that abstract and/or obscure the SQL, but it's almost always there. The complexity required of your SQL can vary, and for a lot of projects it is relatively simple. Understanding SQL at a non-trivial level however will help you understand how computers work with large datasets, which will aid you in how you design and interact with your data even if you don't actually write any SQL directly.

Relational algebra and key theory is useful stuff for "thinking about it right" when it comes to schemas and queries. Also keep in mind that while SQL is a standard, every database system has a point where it diverges from the standard. When you start dealing with very complex queries or procedural code and triggers etc., you'll see very different syntax and often different approaches altogether due to vendor support of features available. For example, Microsoft SQL Server uses Transact-SQL (T-SQL), Oracle uses PL/SQL, and while both are the common system found in the business world and accomplishing the same objectives they are very different beasts to the developer. Methods and tricks for one are not always the best or feasible for the other, and you often rely on tricks to attain the performance demanded by the project.

In a rather different scope, web sites and services tend to use other systems, such as MySQL and PostgreSQL. The focus here is usually less on procedural code and more on efficient SQL-standard queries. The scale of the project might be trivially small where any design works to massive commerce sites that sell a hojillion products and track customer trends. Most people here will not be dealing with that, but many of us will have some sort of SQL database backend which we need to write queries for. Non-standard SQL is avoided as much as possible typically, in order to avoid vendor lock-in. This is the dangerous realm of SQL injection attacks which are one of the most common mistakes made by novice developers who need to use a database for persisting their data on their web site but don't have much experience or exposure. Sanitize your inputs and use parameterized queries! :^:
an_alt wrote: »
Language: VFP
Framework: itself
Purpose: Desktop app with included DB

Visual FoxPro is old and end of life, but does have some interesting features. It came out of the xBase/Clipper world and is a Swiss army knife that packs a relational database and programming language into a tightly coupled package. The language is dynamic and very weakly typed. Along with the usual primitive data types and arrays of them, VFP has one real data structure - the table. SQL is supported as is VFP's own brand of table manipulation which is really easy to use. GUI design is like the VB style of drag-and-drop though larger applications tend to use a code-generated interface. There is OOP though it feels tacked on. The included report writer is fairly capable. It even goes as far as having COM support and I have a few heavily used web services running VFP DLLs under IIS.

VFPs tables don't handle really big data efficiently. Field names in a table are limited to 10 characters when not in a database container and 255 fields in a table regardless. Line lengths can't exceed 255 characters. While VFP can deal with ODBC data, these limitations can make it unwieldy. The IDE is terrible. It's not .NET comparable. Recursion, lambdas, decorators, and closures are foreign words. Even with all that, we can still use it for a cloud-integrated, multi-user desktop app that looks like it might have been designed last year.
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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    ++thread_id; // This is a new thread, so increment the identifier for the thread

  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    I really should update my intro blurb.

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Great now I gotta watch this thread too!

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    Alright, interview this afternoon with a different local place if the snow doesn't cause it to get cancelled.

  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    Build failed; new thread title generated an error:
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    Sorry, ecco!

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    Build failed; new thread title generated an error:
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    Sorry, ecco!
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    syndalis wrote: »
    Apple is a terrible company.
  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Hmmf. Seems like 4 people got promotions from their annual reviews.

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    You didn't?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Of course not. Their "promotions" are based on how many years worked in the field.

    MentalExercise
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    Hey, Ruby people. I feel like I'm doing something dirty here.

    Was working on that Stream class, and it felt ugly to have a bunch of case statements for different stream services when I can subclass the differences instead. So I did this:
    class Stream
    
      def initialize(foo, bar)
        # stuff
      end
    
      # Various common methods for all streams
    
      class Twitch < Stream
        # Twitch-specific override for building class from their JSON format
      end
    
      class Own3d < Stream
        # Own3d-specific override for building class from their JSON format
      end
    
    end
    

    ...and then I can just do "poopypants = Stream::Twitch.new(foo, bar)". Is it really that easy? Feels like I'm breaking some Ruby idiom here.

    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    I'd flip tables.

    By the way it's been like a week, I'd just call Lockheed and check up on your offer. See if they're almost done. Don't be pushy, just ask if they have any information or need anything more from you to expedite it.

    "Hi this is (urahonky) I'm just checking to see if my application was still going through or if you need more information from me to complete it. Is there anyway I can get a time frame so I can prepare and familiarize myself with my new work environment?"

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    Also, got to say it's awesome to have complete Rspec tests ready for major overhauls like these. Move code around, run Rspec on it, see what's still broken, fix, rinse and repeat.

    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    I seriously hate the "seniority" argument. We've had that one thrown at us programmers here for a while now. "Oh, we can't bump your salary that much, that would bump you over someone with more seniority." Fuck that; are the skillsets that I'm bringing worth more to you? Then who fucking cares if that other guy has been here two years longer than I have?

    I found out that we hired a new sales-person last year at a higher salary than I'd been making after 7.5 years here. He just so happens to be the our new President's bestest church-buddy. I understand he's in a different position (sales v development), but he's not very good at what he does. He's attempting to sell corporate financial software, and I had to explain to him what a goddamned virtual-machine is. Sigh.

    :rotate::bz

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    How many box fans do you have to set up before you can become a field agent?

    bowenurahonky
  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Registered User regular
    Your sales guys are on salary? Ours get a very small salary and then get the rest in bonuses from you know, actual product sales.

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    A sales person should never make more than the person developing the software. Ever.

    I'm of the opinion that people designing your business products are worth more than the people selling them. Anyone can make a sale, that's just training, granted you have to be somewhat charismatic, but the skills are basically "don't fuck up." Instead of "train for 2+ years and use a very special way of thinking."

    Not anyone can do research or development, it takes a special skillset.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
    Nightslyr
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    If I were to own a company, every sale a person pushed, a quarter of the sale bonus should go to the dev.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    If I were to own a company, every sale a person pushed, a quarter of the sale bonus should go to the dev.

    Would be an incentive to making good, robust software.

  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    Your sales guys are on salary? Ours get a very small salary and then get the rest in bonuses from you know, actual product sales.

    That's how it should be. That's how it was with our last sales guy. But since church-buddies, everyone around here gets fucked while we waste money paying this guy to (basically) make cold-calls and be passive-aggressive about his Jesusy-ness and how much Obama sucks because <I honestly quit listening to him; I assume the reasons have to do with not enough blowing of the Holy Trinity or Israel>.

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    You know, I feel the same way about tech support. I want a commission on every customer that doesn't disconnect when their contract is up.

    (seriously, though, I hate the attitude that seems to be commonplace in business where if you aren't directly bringing in money you aren't that important/valuable. Especially seeing how little our sales people seem to know about our products. Or seeing them sell things that we can't support, without talking to us or engineering)

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    If I were to own a company, every sale a person pushed, a quarter of the sale bonus should go to the dev.

    Would be an incentive to making good, robust software.

    I'd also allow developers to refer customers and give them a referral bonus. We're all in this shit together man, why not encourage everyone to love to work there?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Tomanta wrote: »
    You know, I feel the same way about tech support. I want a commission on every customer that doesn't disconnect when their contract is up.

    (seriously, though, I hate the attitude that seems to be commonplace in business where if you aren't directly bringing in money you aren't that important/valuable. Especially seeing how little our sales people seem to know about our products. Or seeing them sell things that we can't support, without talking to us or engineering)

    Yup. I wouldn't doubt that devs couldn't do a better sales job than some sales people. They know the product better. I'd probably pool all the sales bonuses by 25%, and distribute it equally to devs. Maybe take performance into consideration and shift it slightly. But if your devs were taking in $5k bonuses each year man that would boost morale.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    Dammit ecco, put more effort into the title if you're going to jump ahead! :P

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    We need more goto and void pointers.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Registered User regular
    More injective functors. Less void**

  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    auto ProgrammingThread = make_thread< ::pa::page_limit<100>, ::pa::allow_bad_posting_tag >("new ProgrammingThread;");

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  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    ecco wrote: »
    Language: Verilog
    Framework: None
    Purpose: Low level development

    If you thought assembly language was low level, try Verilog or any of the other HDL languages on for size. Verilog is designed to describe how bits change every clock cycle. And not just one bit either, but potentially every bit available in the device that you are developing for.

    This allows for massive parallelism - the sheer number of calculations per clock cycle can easily exceed both general purpose processors and DSPs.

    It can also drive men insane.

    I see square waves everywhere.

    I took a Verilog class in college. That was a pretty awesome class.

  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    I have a special hatred of tech sales people because my brother is one. So he'll often try to 'talk shop' with me about whatever company he's currently working for, spitting buzzwords and not-in-my-area-of-skill lingo at me in an attempt to feel superior because he 'got me'. What's worse is that because he worked at Ektron for a bit, his idea of web development is dragging server controls to the canvas. Now he works for Bit9 and thinks he's a security expert.

    And he's coming over tomorrow.

    :facepalm: :rotate:

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    WTF I actually have to do work today this is crazy wtf is this

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    Your sales guys are on salary? Ours get a very small salary and then get the rest in bonuses from you know, actual product sales.

    That's how it should be. That's how it was with our last sales guy. But since church-buddies, everyone around here gets fucked while we waste money paying this guy to (basically) make cold-calls and be passive-aggressive about his Jesusy-ness and how much Obama sucks because <I honestly quit listening to him; I assume the reasons have to do with not enough blowing of the Holy Trinity or Israel>.

    Gotta love the Midwest right?

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Nightslyr wrote: »
    I have a special hatred of tech sales people because my brother is one. So he'll often try to 'talk shop' with me about whatever company he's currently working for, spitting buzzwords and not-in-my-area-of-skill lingo at me in an attempt to feel superior because he 'got me'. What's worse is that because he worked at Ektron for a bit, his idea of web development is dragging server controls to the canvas. Now he works for Bit9 and thinks he's a security expert.

    And he's coming over tomorrow.

    :facepalm: :rotate:

    My brother in law is like this.

    My father shuts him down. On the downside my father asks me for tech advice all the time instead of anyone else.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Nightslyr wrote: »
    I have a special hatred of tech sales people because my brother is one. So he'll often try to 'talk shop' with me about whatever company he's currently working for, spitting buzzwords and not-in-my-area-of-skill lingo at me in an attempt to feel superior because he 'got me'. What's worse is that because he worked at Ektron for a bit, his idea of web development is dragging server controls to the canvas. Now he works for Bit9 and thinks he's a security expert.

    And he's coming over tomorrow.

    :facepalm: :rotate:

    My brother in law is like this.

    My father shuts him down. On the downside my father asks me for tech advice all the time instead of anyone else.

    I tend to just humor him, mostly because of my mother. She hates it when any of us argues. It still sucks, though. Dude's making a pretty decent chunk of cash mostly because he's charismatic, while I'm here doing what freelancing I can and being in that shitty "Make too much $$ and the government takes away all the programs you need in order to live" zone.

    And yeah, I'm the family's go-to tech guy, too. Even for dumb stuff like installing programs (autostart has existed for how long, now?).

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    @nightslyr my girlfriend is in your position too, it sucks big ass candy.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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  • mightyjongyomightyjongyo Registered User regular
    gjaustin wrote: »
    ecco wrote: »
    Language: Verilog
    Framework: None
    Purpose: Low level development

    If you thought assembly language was low level, try Verilog or any of the other HDL languages on for size. Verilog is designed to describe how bits change every clock cycle. And not just one bit either, but potentially every bit available in the device that you are developing for.

    This allows for massive parallelism - the sheer number of calculations per clock cycle can easily exceed both general purpose processors and DSPs.

    It can also drive men insane.

    I see square waves everywhere.

    I took a Verilog class in college. That was a pretty awesome class.

    As a computer engineer in college I saw square waves and VHDL more than C++ code. Too bad all the code I write these days is in C++.

    On a related note, this talks about why programmers should plan out wtf they're doing. Apparently not a given?

  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    Incindium wrote: »
    Your sales guys are on salary? Ours get a very small salary and then get the rest in bonuses from you know, actual product sales.

    That's how it should be. That's how it was with our last sales guy. But since church-buddies, everyone around here gets fucked while we waste money paying this guy to (basically) make cold-calls and be passive-aggressive about his Jesusy-ness and how much Obama sucks because <I honestly quit listening to him; I assume the reasons have to do with not enough blowing of the Holy Trinity or Israel>.

    Gotta love the Midwest right?

    Indiana is just a treasure-trove of awesome. Awesome and corn and ... yeah, we suck.

  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    On a related note, this talks about why programmers should plan out wtf they're doing. Apparently not a given?

    Guy I talk to a lot says any given eight-hour workday has about four hours of actual programming. The rest is planning and documenting.

    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    On a related note, this talks about why programmers should plan out wtf they're doing. Apparently not a given?

    Guy I talk to a lot says any given eight-hour workday has about four hours of actual programming. The rest is planning and documenting.

    That's generous.

    It's about a half hour. Mostly because I get interrupted a lot and it takes me a good 30-60 minutes to get going again.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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  • GrobianGrobian What's on sale? Pliers!Registered User regular
    Yeah, for me it's probably more like 1 hour out of 8, which means while I do have days where I can code for 8 hours, I also have weeks where I don't touch or even look at any code. But my job title is also not programmer or software engineer or something, so it doesn't really apply.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    That guy runs a company that works with travel agencies, making both front-end web sites and the internal booking/payment systems.

    They do MVC, and typically you only work with one of those letters. Database dudes doing the M, designers doing the V, coders doing the C. So there's a fair bit of planning to get the M & C working together.

    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    That sounds like my kind of shop. Finally an owner that understands there are different types of disciplines that need to be addressed in applications. If you want a website you'll need at least 2. Coder and designer.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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