Shape looks closer to the 360 pad, did the PS3 one have that 1/8" stereo jack at the bottom? Ha, wow, that really makes it look like the 360 controller for some reason. That touch pad is just weird, no idea what's up with that. Maybe you can give Drake a back massage with it when he gets tired or stiff after some intense ledge to ledge jumps. Everyone I know who has a PS3 uses it as a Netflix/Blu Ray player and has 2 or 3 games. My friends list is pretty much "Last seen 3 months ago.", except for the Netflix users. My 360 friends list always has 4 or 5 people on from the same group - so I'm curious to see how this "We're all games all the time" works out for them.
On any given weekend, I'll have four or five different PSN friends cycle through my list. Several of them are even PA folks. I added most of them from the NFS thread, but I'm sure any of the active game threads have a similar list.
That touch pad is just weird, no idea what's up with that. Maybe you can give Drake a back massage with it when he gets tired or stiff after some intense ledge to ledge jumps.
Although not a serious suggestion, I did get a laugh out of it
I like the idea of a touchpad, a mouse cursor not controlled by an analogue stick would be pleasant. Even stuff like rotating your finger clockwise to zoom in and anti clockwise to zoom out would be nice. Then again I'm very used to using laptop touch pads.
If the architecture of the PS4 is so different than the PS3, I don't see how that game could possibly come out any time soon.
Porting from PS3 to PS4 should be pretty easy from what I can tell. Parts of the engine may've been specifically designed for the Cell but they'd just need to be re-engineered. The fact that the PS4 is far more powerful in pretty much every way should make up a lot of the difference.
Having said that, if they've moved The Last Guardian over to the PS4, the decision to do so would've been made a while ago. And if that's true, they wouldn't have been even developing it on PS3 anyway, they would've been developing it on PC and then ported it to the PS4 once the dev kits arrived (which should be very easy).
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People said the same thing about the Emotion Engine, given how much more powerful Cell was than that. Yet they needed hardware BC to make it work, then once they got the software BC up and running it proved to be too much and they slowly stripped it out.
Emulating a 7-core Cell architecture perfectly would be a herculean task. Probably why they are likely offloading it to server farms.
What does emulation have to do with anything? We're talking about porting.
And you're wrong about PS2 emulation anyway, the Emotion Engine was never the issue. The "partially emulated" PS2 backwards compatibility (in all PAL launch systems and 60GB US ones) emulated the Emotion Engine but still had the Graphics Synthesizer (the PS2 GPU) within. And the problem with that was specifically with the Graphics Synthesizer's VRAM bandwidth, which the PS3 had absolutely no chance of matching (48 GB/s vs. 22.4 GB/s).
I have no idea how they eventually overcame that bottleneck with the PS2 Classics releases but I can only guess that the games that work, didn't use the memory as well as they could've. And that would explain why none of the PS2 games that were actually technically impressive have shown up on the PSN (though most have already been ported to PS3 as HD Collections anyway).
Edit: And yes, I agree that Gaikai is the best way of delivering PS3 BC.
I think this is Sony's secret ploy to keep me buying their consoles on release, they know I'll never learn to actually wait to see if it ever comes out.
I'll be 105, rocking backwards and forwards on my holo-chair, sipping my soylent-cola, eagerly anticipating the release of the PSμ when I die.
The WSJ is reporting that the PS4 will stream PS3 games. Insert joke about not being able to wait to rebuy all your games here.
Would you actually be buying the game, though ? Or buying the right to temporarily access the game ?
So it's more like renting your old games, for a cost, and playing them over the internet. And all for the bargain price of buying a new console.
I can't wait for some actual officially released information, from both Sony and Microsoft. If these rumours are true, about BC and second hand games, not working I think both consoles might have a difficult launch.
I think this is Sony's secret ploy to keep me buying their consoles on release, they know I'll never learn to actually wait to see if it ever comes out.
I'll be 105, rocking backwards and forwards on my holo-chair, sipping my soylent-cola, eagerly anticipating the release of the PSμ when I die.
Sony won me over with the Vita but if they move the Last Guardian over to the ps 4.... Yeah, I'll be picking one up.
if the no used games thing ends up being true sony and microsoft are going to have to do some serious shit to get me on board. their own versions of steam sales, for example.
if the no used games thing ends up being true sony and microsoft are going to have to do some serious shit to get me on board. their own versions of steam sales, for example.
I don't see either of them doing it, tbh.
Neither wants to run the risk of being the only one to block used games
if the no used games thing ends up being true sony and microsoft are going to have to do some serious shit to get me on board. their own versions of steam sales, for example.
Microsoft's the only one rumoured to have done it and even then, that's still just a rumour.
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The biggest thing is that Sony is going to try its damndest to prevent the PSN hack style scenario from happening again. for a while there, it was speculated that Sony would try to patent some way to lock a game to an account or PS4, and that's where the no used sales thing came from.
Gaikai's probably the best possible option for BC since Cell has Sony backed into a corner. Let's just hope that there aren't any lag, bandwidth or additional fee issues.
if the no used games thing ends up being true sony and microsoft are going to have to do some serious shit to get me on board. their own versions of steam sales, for example.
PSN has regular sales and sometimes with high discounts. I know it's not as big as the Steam sales but compared to Xbox Live they definitely offer better details on digital downloads, and more often too.
I'm skeptical of their claims, yet moved by their passion. This better be something really big.
It's fun to watch Sony go from extreme hubris to extreme humility. I guess they're on an upswing.
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I wonder if those are bought by Sony's new ad team or if they are a stopgap company?
Also, I'm saving a picture of that - if Sony announces even one of their franchises that they've been putting out over the last 10 years I'm going to call them out as hypocrites. There is nothing wrong with sequels.
I wonder if those are bought by Sony's new ad team or if they are a stopgap company?
Also, I'm saving a picture of that - if Sony announces even one of their franchises that they've been putting out over the last 10 years I'm going to call them out as hypocrites. There is nothing wrong with sequels.
Mario is kiddeh, Drake is sexeh, m i rite.
But yeah if there's an Uncharted demonstration I will be smiling to myself.
There's some chatter about how the Gaikai streaming is still going to be difficult because the machine has to be running somewhere to be streamed back to our PS4s.
Those new analogue sticks look SO MUCH BETTER for grip. And I am so glad to see more companies adopt speakers in the controllers, you can do some really neat things with that.
I wonder if those are bought by Sony's new ad team or if they are a stopgap company?
Also, I'm saving a picture of that - if Sony announces even one of their franchises that they've been putting out over the last 10 years I'm going to call them out as hypocrites. There is nothing wrong with sequels.
How so? Seems like it's talking about how much Nintendo milks Mario, not the fact that they make sequels (which everyone does).
But even so, it's just trash talk to drum up interest and hype, nothing to take seriously. The GAF thread on it was insane, filled with people losing their shit and others blatantly trolling. Videogames are serious business, folks.
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Not to be that guy, but I re-read the last three pages and, well, I didn't see a single touchpad idea. Feel free to quote 'em if I missed 'em.
On any given weekend, I'll have four or five different PSN friends cycle through my list. Several of them are even PA folks. I added most of them from the NFS thread, but I'm sure any of the active game threads have a similar list.
Although not a serious suggestion, I did get a laugh out of it
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I wouldn't rate it very likely we'll see something on the 20th but until then I can keep dreaming.
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I meant from Arcadians, not Sony. Just general speculative shit.
I thought I'd posted one but I guess I forgot.
Camera controls, particularly in games with 2D camera movement (strategy games, strategy RPGs, side scrollers and so on).
Porting from PS3 to PS4 should be pretty easy from what I can tell. Parts of the engine may've been specifically designed for the Cell but they'd just need to be re-engineered. The fact that the PS4 is far more powerful in pretty much every way should make up a lot of the difference.
Having said that, if they've moved The Last Guardian over to the PS4, the decision to do so would've been made a while ago. And if that's true, they wouldn't have been even developing it on PS3 anyway, they would've been developing it on PC and then ported it to the PS4 once the dev kits arrived (which should be very easy).
Emulating a 7-core Cell architecture perfectly would be a herculean task. Probably why they are likely offloading it to server farms.
And you're wrong about PS2 emulation anyway, the Emotion Engine was never the issue. The "partially emulated" PS2 backwards compatibility (in all PAL launch systems and 60GB US ones) emulated the Emotion Engine but still had the Graphics Synthesizer (the PS2 GPU) within. And the problem with that was specifically with the Graphics Synthesizer's VRAM bandwidth, which the PS3 had absolutely no chance of matching (48 GB/s vs. 22.4 GB/s).
I have no idea how they eventually overcame that bottleneck with the PS2 Classics releases but I can only guess that the games that work, didn't use the memory as well as they could've. And that would explain why none of the PS2 games that were actually technically impressive have shown up on the PSN (though most have already been ported to PS3 as HD Collections anyway).
Edit: And yes, I agree that Gaikai is the best way of delivering PS3 BC.
I think this is Sony's secret ploy to keep me buying their consoles on release, they know I'll never learn to actually wait to see if it ever comes out.
I'll be 105, rocking backwards and forwards on my holo-chair, sipping my soylent-cola, eagerly anticipating the release of the PSμ when I die.
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Would you actually be buying the game, though ? Or buying the right to temporarily access the game ?
So it's more like renting your old games, for a cost, and playing them over the internet. And all for the bargain price of buying a new console.
I can't wait for some actual officially released information, from both Sony and Microsoft. If these rumours are true, about BC and second hand games, not working I think both consoles might have a difficult launch.
Sony won me over with the Vita but if they move the Last Guardian over to the ps 4.... Yeah, I'll be picking one up.
I don't see either of them doing it, tbh.
Neither wants to run the risk of being the only one to block used games
Microsoft's the only one rumoured to have done it and even then, that's still just a rumour.
PSN has regular sales and sometimes with high discounts. I know it's not as big as the Steam sales but compared to Xbox Live they definitely offer better details on digital downloads, and more often too.
I said damn.
I'm skeptical of their claims, yet moved by their passion. This better be something really big.
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It's fun to watch Sony go from extreme hubris to extreme humility. I guess they're on an upswing.
Also, I'm saving a picture of that - if Sony announces even one of their franchises that they've been putting out over the last 10 years I'm going to call them out as hypocrites. There is nothing wrong with sequels.
Mario is kiddeh, Drake is sexeh, m i rite.
But yeah if there's an Uncharted demonstration I will be smiling to myself.
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Wow, really?
How so? Seems like it's talking about how much Nintendo milks Mario, not the fact that they make sequels (which everyone does).
But even so, it's just trash talk to drum up interest and hype, nothing to take seriously. The GAF thread on it was insane, filled with people losing their shit and others blatantly trolling. Videogames are serious business, folks.