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AyeJayeAyeJaye Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
A girl I'm going out with is starting to get serious about sex. This would be my first time, and she says she wants me to come inside her. Now, I am all for it, but I am understandably concerned about the possibility of pregnancy. She said she's going to get the morning after pill and such, but that is (from what I have heard) 91% effective. Neither of us are adverse to abortion, but I'd like it not to come to that. What can I do about this to make sure I'm not part of the other 9%?

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    A condom?

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    AyeJayeAyeJaye Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    As I said, she wants me to come inside her. This kind of eliminates the possibility of a condom.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    I hope I'm reading this wrong, but: Don't use the freakin' morning after pill as normal contraception just because its got the same ingredients! Your gf is an idiot if she thinks that's ok. For one thing, its far more cost-effective to get a proper contra prescription, for another, if she uses it every time you fuck, she's probably going to be sick and miserable a lot. She needs to talk to an actual GP and get set up with an appropriate pill (or nuvaring, or IUD, or whatever method is best for her body and life circumstances). You need to buy condoms and know how to use them correctly. And while abortion is also an option, 1) its not cheap, expecially for a young person and 2) its surgery when you get right down to it, so really, prevention >>>>> cure.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    AyeJaye wrote: »
    As I said, she wants me to come inside her. This kind of eliminates the possibility of a condom.
    You do know how condoms work, right?

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    QuirkQuirk Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    think fucking carefully is what you should do, and then think

    "hmmmm, what about the possibility of sti's etc?" the morning after pill is not meant to be used as a form of birth control, it is an emergency contraceptive! Either she should get on the pill or get a diaphragm if she wants you to come in her, seriously man use your goddamn brain

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    AyeJayeAyeJaye Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    They are a latex barrier effectively preventing me from coming inside her. That is what they are for. She wants my semen in her vagina, I can't really make it any simpler than that. Also, I know about all of this and such, I'm somewhat dumbstruck at this point since it came up quite suddenly. I'll talk to her about proper birth control pills, I guess.

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    DeVryGuyDeVryGuy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Um, yeah. Don't do that unless she is on the pill or some similar method of birth control.

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    ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    AyeJaye wrote: »
    They are a latex barrier effectively preventing me from coming inside her. That is what they are for. She wants my semen in her vagina, I can't really make it any simpler than that. Also, I know about all of this and such, I'm somewhat dumbstruck at this point since it came up quite suddenly. I'll talk to her about proper birth control pills, I guess.

    If she thinks she can just pop the morning after pill and go about her biz then she has no fucking idea what she's getting into. That thing will knock a girl on her ass for at least a day possibly more. That alone makes me question her experience and knowledge sexually. I would not under any circumstances do what she wants.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    AyeJaye wrote: »
    They are a latex barrier effectively preventing me from coming inside her. That is what they are for. She wants my semen in her vagina, I can't really make it any simpler than that. Also, I know about all of this and such, I'm somewhat dumbstruck at this point since it came up quite suddenly. I'll talk to her about proper birth control pills, I guess.

    well, you've got a problem here. Either you accept that fair percentage of risk, or you tell her that no condom = no PiV sex. There really isn't an alternative here short of 'get a vasectomy'.

    Seems like you need a lot more background on the various methods available. Plannedparenthood.com should cover the bases.

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Why the hell would a first timer want your soldiers sent into her birth canal? I sure as hell know that I had to pass through quite a few women before they even contemplated that.

    Your girlfriend really has no fucking clue about anything sexual, just wear a condom for pete's sake.

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    MrOlettaMrOletta Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    This has red flags all over it.

    Look, it's your first time so i'm sure you're pretty excited about it. Everyone was. Next time you're out take a look at everyone and think that they all came from two people having sex. You will have sex someday, but you have to look out for yourself. She could be wanting to have a child or wanting to trap you into a relationship by having a child. Once you ejaculate inside of her, it's not like you can force her to take the pill.

    Also, you really have to worry about STI/STDs. How many people she's been with, if she was checked out very recently etc.

    If you MUST do this then
    Look into the days of the month where a woman isn't as fertile based on her ovulation cycle. It's what the catholic church used until recently because they thought condoms were concentrated evil.

    For the sake of your penis, please reconsider.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    Godfather wrote: »
    Why the hell would a first timer want your soldiers sent into her birth canal? I sure as hell know that I had to pass through quite a few women before they even contemplated that.

    Your girlfriend really has no fucking clue about anything sexual, just wear a condom for pete's sake.

    I gotta say, its weirding me out too. If you weren't in Canada, I'd just assume she'd received some freaky pseudo-religious garbage in place of sex-ed, but I hear your schools aren't so bad about that as south of the border, so I dunno. Some people are... tactile like that, I suppose, but its still pretty unnatural for a virgin to be so insistent about that aspect of sex. If she's got it into her head that "natural" is romantic or something, its going to be a problem. Especially since if she does get knocked up, since that "natural" thing may rear its head and prevent her from choosing the abortion you currently think she's fine with.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    MrOletta wrote: »
    If you MUST do this then
    Look into the days of the month where a woman isn't as fertile based on her ovulation cycle. It's what the catholic church used until recently because they thought condoms were concentrated evil.
    They did this because they know it doesn't work in practice ;)

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    Swimming BirdSwimming Bird __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Just make sure she douches with Pepsi Cola, that should kill all the sperm. Or, better yet, have her jump up and down a bunch of time after the orgasam, that should shake all that sperm out of there.

    Oh, wait, don't do any of those, they're bullshit, so is having unprotected sex with a girl that sounds like a crazy freak. If she's the type of girl who tells you to "come inside her," you can be pretty certain that she's been around the block. Enough times that an STD really isn't outside the realm of possibility.

    Use a condom, pregnancy is the least of your worries.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    If she's the type of girl who tells you to "come inside her," you can be pretty certain that she's been around the block.

    Or she's just watched too much porn. Guys aren't the only people to get silly ideas about what constitutes healthy sexual expression that way. It's weird that she's asking this, as I've said, but there's no need to get quite as OMG WHORE about it as some of you are.

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    Swimming BirdSwimming Bird __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Or she's just watched too much porn. Guys aren't the only people to get silly ideas about what constitutes healthy sexual expression that way. It's weird that she's asking this, as I've said, but there's no need to get quite as OMG WHORE about it as some of you are.

    When he's wandering the streets in a syphilitic-induced stupor, rabidly stabbing random people with a shard of broken glass, won't your face be red.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think it's an american thing but in Australia most people who are in a relationship for a bit usually end up going for the pill.

    The morning after pill is a stupid idea though.

    Keep in mind some basic facts for you to know. By facts I mean one simple astoundingly basic piece of advice that an astounding number of people don't know.

    If she takes antibiotics it's rubbers for you for at least two weeks. Antibiotics stops the pill from working please remember this.

    Please.

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    PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Seriously, wear a condom. She may want you to cum inside her but who really cares in a few months if a) she gets pregnant or b) you've got crabs, assface! If it's that big a deal to her I suggest you both go get checked out by a doctor to make sure there's nothing nasty lurking in the shadows.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Or she's just watched too much porn. Guys aren't the only people to get silly ideas about what constitutes healthy sexual expression that way. It's weird that she's asking this, as I've said, but there's no need to get quite as OMG WHORE about it as some of you are.

    When he's wandering the streets in a syphilitic-induced stupor, rabidly stabbing random people with a shard of broken glass, won't your face be red.

    lolz!

    There's also something to be said for the hypothesis that maybe it isn't actually her who wants this, but that's still irrelevant to the point that spewing vagina dentata all over this thread is a poor course of action ;)

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    This smacks of deception to me.

    I find it highly unusual that H&A gets so many questions about trying to sort something out such that unprotected sex will not result in conception on the girl's behalf.

    I suspect that really the OP wants to do so, and is trying to figure a way that he can suggest to his girlfriend.

    Regardless, the advice is the same, unless she goes to her GP and gets a proper long term solution (like the pill, an IUD, Implanon implant etc) then there's nothing to make this any safer. Condom is the way to go, in terms of being the safest as it offers protection from both babies and stds.

    And plus, if I'm right, stop being a dick and skin up.

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    AximAxim Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    no i've dated a girl who was like this as well, its more of a misplaced intimacy thing i think but definitely a terrible idea let alone if she is not on the pill. what are you thinking dude? you're willing to risk her getting pregnant all because you guys can't man up and just use a condom like the rest of modern society? if you're serious about having sex birth control is really the only option for her, and even then seriously i wouldn't do it without. you never know if she forgets to take it etc you could be equally screwed.

    i would think okay maybe shes worried her parents would find the birth control but if abortion is not a big deal for both of you clearly this can't be the case as it isn't really something to shrug off. i'm by no means religious but using the morning after pill or 'hey worst case she gets an abortion' displays incredible immaturity and recklessness on both your parts..

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    Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    AyeJaye wrote: »
    As I said, she wants me to come inside her. This kind of eliminates the possibility of a condom.

    don't do this. You feel GREAT for 5 seconds and then you're all like "why the fuck did I just do that!" and you're stressed until period time.

    You're a virgin also... you'd come in like a minute you went in raw.

    Just use a condom because you don't sound like you know much and babies aren't all that fun when they're yours.

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    RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    um. Why does she want you to come inside of her?

    Is there a better way to "express your love" or whatever notion you guys have that doesn't involve possible chances of STDs, Pregnancy and/or ripping a fetus out of her womb. Just saying...maybe you two can just cuddle instead?

    Having said that, you BOTH should go get a doctors appointment together and talk to a real doctor about your options.... there are a lot of things you can do that a doctor could recommend and suggested based on your situation.

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    What's her faceWhat's her face Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    AyeJaye wrote: »
    What can I do about this to make sure I'm not part of the other 9%?
    You can not cum inside her. It's practically a guarantee that way.
    Use a condom and get her on real preventive birth control. The morning after pill is more like damage control.

    If a girl isn't on some sort of preventive birth control it could be because she wouldn't really mind having you be the dad of her cute little accident.

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    SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Sounds like a pretty shortbus plan. I'm not as hardcore on the rubber helmetry as some, if it's the first for both of you, regular birth control should suffice. If you can't wait that long, try smashing your testicles flat with a hammer. Pretty sure that will do the trick.

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    Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I know a number of women against condoms, as a rule I always wear, although there have been one or two where I haven't.

    It's not so much STI's I'm bothered about (most can be treated after an embarassing trip to the docs) especially being I normally know the history of anyone I'm comfortable going bareback with. Besides, how many people wear protection during oral? That can be just as risky.

    But for each of the women I've been with, without wearing, they have each been on the pill. The first girlfriend I had was similar in idea to yours, she liked it without condoms, HOWEVER she was on the pill. And believe me, after my first time, even though I knew she was on the pill, I was so worried, so paranoid and so flat out fucking scared about babies that I phoned her every day for more than a week afterwards to make sure she remembered her pill.

    Either:
    -get her on the pill
    -wear a condom
    -go for the "coil" or the "cap" or any of the other crazy things women put inside them
    -ask her to have that injection in the bum (no, not anal! The anti-baby one)
    -ask her to have that implant you can get done (a friend had one under her skin, it made her feel nautious though)
    -if and IF it comes to it, and this is a big fucking if, DON'T come inside her. Pull out before you're done. I would never ever recommend doing this as it's nowhere near 100%, and then simply explain to her that you're horribly nervous about babies. But that is an utter last resort if you lose your restraint and actually go ahead.

    The morning after bill isn't a backup, it's a desperation tactic. It makes the girl feel HORRIBLY ill throughout the next day (and possibly the day after dependiing on the person). It's meant for someone who's had a drunken one night stand. It's expensive and it's a crap idea.

    There are plenty of methods of 'protection' that will still allow you to do what she wants you to do and come out (pun not intended) baby free.

    Final annecdote: My friend (Jamie, just to attach a name) had a similar situation, he wasn't a virgin though but the lass he was with wanted him to come inside her. He did. She ended up pregnant and tried to use the kid to tie him in to a relationship he wasn't that serious about. It was a daft mistake on his behalf and completely and utterly changed his life. I'm not saying it was for the worse, but he definitely didn't want a kid at the age of 18.

    Just think it through.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Just to clear something up:

    The "withdrawal" method is actually far lower with estimated success rate than it actually carries

    Precum contains no sperm, but the walls of the urethra can have little hangers-on from a previous ejaculation that can get mixed up in the precum.

    The main cause of typical use failure of withdrawal is the inability to predict just when an orgasm will occur, or "holding out" for a few more seconds of thrusting.

    Perfect use of the withdrawal method is relatively good, if you're good with it. Combine this with a Nuva Ring, cervical cap, Diaphrapm with spermicide and/or Fertility awareness and you'll be pretty well-off. Add Birth control pill and you're VERY close to 100%

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    Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    "The main cause of typical use failure of withdrawal is the inability to predict just when an orgasm will occur, or "holding out" for a few more seconds of thrusting."

    I think that's the issue, or you get carried away and too excited and figure "fuck it!".

    Also, OP is a virgin, chances are there won't be much chance TOO pull out.

    No offence meant, it happens to most of us

    (not me though, I was a stud!!! **looks sheepish and is glad 1st gf doesn't post on PA**)

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    lol you guys come on virgins can't get pregnant*

    *NOTE THIS IS A LIE

    teehee

    anyway, I pulled out on my first time, I can safely assume others can too

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    GrimmyTOAGrimmyTOA Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    First off, use a condom. Tell her you'll make it up to her some other way.

    If that's a non-starter (ie she absolutely refuses) then think about whether this is someone you want to be having sex with at all.

    Assuming the answer is "yes please" then A) Get both of yourselves tested for STDs beforehand -- it's your first time, you think it's her first time (and she's taking your word for it that it really is your first time, too) and B) get her on the pill/patch/shot/IUD/whatever. Maybe (just maybe) all of the trouble you guys have to go to will convince her that a condom ain't such a bad idea after all.

    Don't take half-measures on this -- it has the potential to haunt you for the rest of your life, and make your first sexual experience a really negative one. Also, as has been mentioned above, the morning-after pill is not a good method of contraception. If nothing else, you don't want your partner feeling like she's been run over by a truck for three days every time you have sex, do you?

    P.S. -> If you manage to convince her to use a condom, for God's sake use it right.

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    SkyGheNeSkyGheNe Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    No offense, but the whole "cum inside" sorta waves red flags here and there.

    Condom please.

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    MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I tend to use the "If I bust a loaf inside this girl, that means I'm ready to have children and/or itchy parts" philosophy myself.

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    RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    hell, if she wants to use the morning-after pill and feel like poo for a few days, let her

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    PatboyXPatboyX Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    when i was in high school, the same opportunities came up again and again. and i pretty much went for it whenever i could using a lot of the advice here.
    everything worked out alright but i would probably attempt to prevent that from happening again in my own life if i could. the number of people i knew at the time that it didn't work out for is staggering. i assume i simply can not conceive...
    i always want to double any amount of BC. that would be my advice.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well if she really wants you to cum inside of her you could always go the hershey highway...

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    RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    It's not so much STI's I'm bothered about (most can be treated after an embarassing trip to the docs) especially being I normally know the history of anyone I'm comfortable going bareback with. Besides, how many people wear protection during oral? That can be just as risky.

    STIs as in STDs? I ain't no doctor, but there are STDs that are incurable... meaning "an embarrassing trip to the docs" isn't going to fix it.

    also the other way I understand it is that penis/vagina sex is more risky then penis/mouth sex. Things like teh aids travel quicker though the vagina then though the mouth. At least that's the word on the street.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yeah, I'm gonna agree with the "red flags" people, here, and say that I'm not even sure I'd trust the girl with the pill.

    I don't know how someone would make it through that much school and not know that that is a good way to have sex as long as you want to end up pregnant.

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    Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Rhino wrote: »
    It's not so much STI's I'm bothered about (most can be treated after an embarassing trip to the docs) especially being I normally know the history of anyone I'm comfortable going bareback with. Besides, how many people wear protection during oral? That can be just as risky.

    STIs as in STDs? I ain't no doctor, but there are STDs that are incurable... meaning "an embarrassing trip to the docs" isn't going to fix it.

    also the other way I understand it is that penis/vagina sex is more risky then penis/mouth sex. Things like teh aids travel quicker though the vagina then though the mouth. At least that's the word on the street.

    Yep, there are, but the more common ones are treated via a trip to the docs. Incidentally I don't tend to worry as I said above, I know the history and personally only do it occasionally.

    I think the whole protection thing is a lot more relaxed in the UK (not saying it should be), an awful lot of women just go on the pill and see that as it.

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    DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    You're a fucking idiot. This is advice. Take it into consideration any time you are making a decision.

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    FawkesFawkes __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Doc, isn't life so much more fun now that you aren't a mod? ;-)

    re: thread

    Known plenty of girls who get off on you coming inside them, it's not a myth. Still a bad idea.

    Conspiracy theories about trying to trap you into pregnancy on here are woefully exaggerated, especially if you are from the late-teen-middle-class-aspirational background I suspect. Still a bad idea.

    Much, much more fun. Still a bad idea.

    Wear a condom. If you want to have more sex, getting started now is a good idea. Getting started now will also stave off various bareback vs condom performace issues later in life. Otherwise, the pill (standard one) is an absolute minimum. The girl suggesting using the morning after pill demonstrates that she clearly knows fuck all. Also, she will not thank you if she ends up doing this.

    The anal sex suggestion is probably the best one I've seen, but she probably won't see it that way.

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