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ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
Eugene Bullard

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That badass looking man is Eugene Bullard. He was the first African American combat pilot. Born in Georgia, he got sick of the racial discrimination and got the fuck out of there at age 11, stowing away on freighter to Scotland. He ends up becoming a boxer in London and in Belle Davis's Freedman Pickaninnies musical and slapstick show. He got sick of that shit and moved to Paris. When WWI broke out, he joined the French Foreign Legion. He was wounded at Verdun. While recovering be bet a friend 2,000 francs that he could join the Aéronautique Militaire. Which he did.

He served with the Lafayette Flying Corps where he picked up the nickname "The Black Swallow of Death". The symbol on his plane was a heart with a dagger running through it, the words 'All Blood Runs Red'. He flew 20 combat missions with 2 kills. Later he would get into a fight with an officer and be busted back to the infantry.

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Yes, that is his pet monkey.

After the war, he worked several nightclubs in Paris before owning one. He married the daughter of a French Countess and had two children with her but the marriage ended badly, leaving him with the custody of the children. But his nightclub Le Grand Duc and bar L’Escadrille became the places to hear jazz in Paris. Louis Armstrong and Josephine Baker both frequented his club. And the rumors are that him and Baker were on again, off again lovers.

But war clouds began to loom over Europe and he was recruited to spy against Nazi sympathizers. Then when the war broke out, he joined the 51st Infantry Regiment and fought with them until a shell wounded him. He was evacuated eventually to the US.

While he was famed in Paris, he was nobody in the US. After the war he tried to return to Paris but his club and bar were destroyed in the war. He returned to the US with his daughters and attempted to start over with little success.
In 1949, he went to attend a Paul Roberson concert that turned into the Peekskill Riots. The local VFW and American Legion decided that they weren't going to tolerate Robeson and they attacked the concert goers with baseball bats. Eugene Bullard was among the attendees. Photographs were taken of the attack on him.

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In 1954 France invited him to be one of three people to relight the everlasting flame at the Tomb of the Unknown Solider. In the US he was working as an elevator operator in Rockefeller Center. Later he would be made a chevalier in Légion d'honneur.

In 1961 he would die of stomach cancer.

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  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Man, i wanted to make a chat but that is a pretty good chat.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    If memory serves a lot of places used smithing techniques pretty similar to Japan until they invented better ways of making swords.

  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    y'all a bunch of miserable bastards

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyrGTKkD5hA

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    The third series of The Walking Dead is pretty damn good. It's a shame that most people won't make it through the tedium of series 2.

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    I dunno if 20 missions and 2 kills is good, but whatever. He had a monkey.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    If memory serves a lot of places used smithing techniques pretty similar to Japan until they invented better ways of making swords.

    I meant more that it's extremely difficult to do. I know that in Japan it was necessary because there are no real good sources of iron there. But it's the same technique that people use today to create "Damascus steel" (which gets quotes because we don't actually know how Damascus steel was made, to the best of my knowledge).

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    I dunno if 20 missions and 2 kills is good, but whatever. He had a monkey.

    There were 180 members with 159 kills. So it wasn't bad for WWI.

  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    My understanding is Katanas were pretty fantastic swords for what they were meant to deal with armor-wise but that they would not have fared well versus more advanced armors at all

  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    Thom, you win points.

    On a worrying note I seem to have 2 pair of underpants for a 9 day holiday. God knows how this happened because I distinctly remember counting them before leaving. With luck they are sitting in my bedroom.

    Luckily Spain has no shortage of underpants

    Freedom for the Northern Isles!
  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    The katana is excellent at killing ninja, that's just a scientific fact.

    The problem is sort of more that it was always at least as much a class symbol as it was a practical weapon

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    My understanding is Katanas were pretty fantastic swords for what they were meant to deal with armor-wise but that they would not have fared well versus more advanced armors at all

    More advanced armors?

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  • Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Monster IslandRegistered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    (They are not very good swords).

    And those Eastern Bloc pistols chambered in 7.62mm or in .380 or even .25 cal were not great pistols. But the security services could terrify the hell out of the civilian population with them, which was the point. The samurai sword was no less an instrument of oppression by a military government.

    Good OP. It's pretty messed up that, given all the exemplary service rendered by African Americans to the US military in wars dating back to the Revolution, black veterans were still subjected to brutal attacks as late as 1949, when it should have been clear to anyone after years of fighting the Nazis and opposing Soviet ambitions that race has nothing to do with nationality.

    "Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
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  • MizouraMizoura Moon pies and starry skies Registered User regular
    So my doctor gave me some medication for my back. We have determined that its not a slipped or effed up disc but that the problem must be muscular.

    It feels like someone took a metal pipe and bashed my back in. The good thing is that a friend who is a pro, worked on my back yesterday for several hours and today I was able to walk around in relative non screaming pain.

    The downside is that the stuff I have for the pain makes me so stoned, that I last night when my friend was over, I kept yelling at him that he was murding me, and my neighbor actually came to check to make sure I was ok.

    I need to remember to bake them some cookies for being awesome like that.....if I only knew who the hell they were.

    Trying to type while stoned from them is like trying to write on water. My phone screen gets all rippled and all grammar and spelling laws get thrown out of the window

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    If memory serves a lot of places used smithing techniques pretty similar to Japan until they invented better ways of making swords.

    I meant more that it's extremely difficult to do. I know that in Japan it was necessary because there are no real good sources of iron there. But it's the same technique that people use today to create "Damascus steel" (which gets quotes because we don't actually know how Damascus steel was made, to the best of my knowledge).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel

    It's interesting stuff! I would love to chat about it more but I have to rush off to do some laundry and then gym it up!

  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    I had a playlist of Mono, Massive Attack, FC Kahuna, Hammock, GS!YB, Mum, Pelican, Bonobo, Crystal Castles, Purity Ring, Lindsey Stirling, etc., etc. etc,... Wonderful music.

    Now I'm listening to straight Modest Mouse, and I cried (no, I sobbed) at the end of that music video.

    Thank you tarranon. Thanks a lot.

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    It's nice and sunny today. It was actually not pitch black when I woke up this morning either.

    Hurray.

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    The katana is excellent at killing ninja, that's just a scientific fact.

    The problem is sort of more that it was always at least as much a class symbol as it was a practical weapon

    Yep. The Japanese adopted firearms early and loved the fuck out of them. Never too big on cannon which makes sense given the terrain but they loved guns.

  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    The katana is excellent at killing ninja, that's just a scientific fact.

    The problem is sort of more that it was always at least as much a class symbol as it was a practical weapon

    Yep. The Japanese adopted firearms early and loved the fuck out of them. Never too big on cannon which makes sense given the terrain but they loved guns.

    Any movies that give a good impression of how it "really" was? Reading books is so tiresome.

    I assume Last Samurai is the most accurate depiction of turn-of-the-century Japan.

  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    I had a playlist of Mono, Massive Attack, FC Kahuna, Hammock, GS!YB, Mum, Pelican, Bonobo, Crystal Castles, Purity Ring, Lindsey Stirling, etc., etc. etc,... Wonderful music.

    Now I'm listening to straight Modest Mouse, and I cried (no, I sobbed) at the end of that music video.

    Thank you tarranon. Thanks a lot.

    awww, sorry. I didn't know you were that bummed

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byVPsr8y174

    have some faux mouse cheery stuff

    You could be anywhere
    On the black screen
  • Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Monster IslandRegistered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Yep. The Japanese adopted firearms early and loved the fuck out of them. Never too big on cannon which makes sense given the terrain but they loved guns.

    Yep. They were fairly cutting edge with their firearms, even improving on the designs the Portuguese brought them.

    And they kept using them. The Last Samurai? Bull. Shit. The rebellious samurai used lots and lots of guns, which is precisely why they gave the newly formed army so much trouble.

    "Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Kalkino wrote: »
    Thom, you win points.

    On a worrying note I seem to have 2 pair of underpants for a 9 day holiday. God knows how this happened because I distinctly remember counting them before leaving. With luck they are sitting in my bedroom.

    Luckily Spain has no shortage of underpants

    He's worthy of one of those cracked style articles but I doubt he'll ever get one. He did things that showed an amazing amount of courage, leaving home at 11, joining the Foreign Legion, becoming a pilot, fighting Nazis. You add in sleeping with Josephine Baker and having a pet monkey and it's the recipe for something out of a Cracked article. But instead he isn't remembered.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    The katana is excellent at killing ninja, that's just a scientific fact.

    The problem is sort of more that it was always at least as much a class symbol as it was a practical weapon

    Yep. The Japanese adopted firearms early and loved the fuck out of them. Never too big on cannon which makes sense given the terrain but they loved guns.

    Even before guns you fought with bows or spears, they are just better battlefield weapons. Where the katana falls flat for me is as a dueling weapon, which is an area in which swords can really excel. I just really do not see what it could have over a saber, or rapier, or small sword, or many other blades.

    As a random aside, when the vikings had to work with low quality iron they did folding pretty similar to the Japanese. The Japanese unfortunately were stuck with bad quality iron for a long time. And also because the katana was more of a symbol of office than anything else, it didn't continually evolve like swords in Europe.

  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    It's nice and sunny today. It was actually not pitch black when I woke up this morning either.

    Hurray.

    it is amazing how much that can improve one's mood

    here it seems to getting dark about 6

    Freedom for the Northern Isles!
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    (They are not very good swords).

    And those Eastern Bloc pistols chambered in 7.62mm or in .380 or even .25 cal were not great pistols. But the security services could terrify the hell out of the civilian population with them, which was the point. The samurai sword was no less an instrument of oppression by a military government.

    Good OP. It's pretty messed up that, given all the exemplary service rendered by African Americans to the US military in wars dating back to the Revolution, black veterans were still subjected to brutal attacks as late as 1949, when it should have been clear to anyone after years of fighting the Nazis and opposing Soviet ambitions that race has nothing to do with nationality.

    The 7.62 Tokarev is high powered enough to pierce weaker body armor naturally, so I'm not so sure about that one specifically.

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    The katana is excellent at killing ninja, that's just a scientific fact.

    The problem is sort of more that it was always at least as much a class symbol as it was a practical weapon

    Yep. The Japanese adopted firearms early and loved the fuck out of them. Never too big on cannon which makes sense given the terrain but they loved guns.

    Any movies that give a good impression of how it "really" was? Reading books is so tiresome.

    I assume Last Samurai is the most accurate depiction of turn-of-the-century Japan.

    Not that I know of. Might check with @Elldren, she knows a lot more about Japanese history then I do.

  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    Tarranon wrote: »
    I had a playlist of Mono, Massive Attack, FC Kahuna, Hammock, GS!YB, Mum, Pelican, Bonobo, Crystal Castles, Purity Ring, Lindsey Stirling, etc., etc. etc,... Wonderful music.

    Now I'm listening to straight Modest Mouse, and I cried (no, I sobbed) at the end of that music video.

    Thank you tarranon. Thanks a lot.

    awww, sorry. I didn't know you were that bummed

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byVPsr8y174

    have some faux mouse cheery stuff

    Aw, no man. It's not you. The music is fine. I've just been up almost 24 hrs now, and I haven't seen my daughter in over a week (she's in florida), after seeing her every day for 9 months. So I just wasn't... prepared for that video.

    JamesKeenan on
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    the santoku on the other hand is favored in my kitchen over all my other chef's knives

    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    great [chat]

    follow my music twitter soundcloud tumblr
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  • Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Monster IslandRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The 7.62 Tokarev is high powered enough to pierce weaker body armor naturally, so I'm not so sure about that one specifically.

    From the pocket pistols the Russians issued to the KGB and security services of their satellites? I'm impressed if that's the case, but I didn't figure they'd have the barrel length to get the most from the cartridge.

    "Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    I'm rewatching the 2009 Star Trek movie, in preparation for the new one.

    The opening is so great!

    aaand then young Kirk is operating his Nokia phone system and listening to Beasty Boys.

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Mizoura wrote: »
    So my doctor gave me some medication for my back. We have determined that its not a slipped or effed up disc but that the problem must be muscular.

    It feels like someone took a metal pipe and bashed my back in. The good thing is that a friend who is a pro, worked on my back yesterday for several hours and today I was able to walk around in relative non screaming pain.

    The downside is that the stuff I have for the pain makes me so stoned, that I last night when my friend was over, I kept yelling at him that he was murding me, and my neighbor actually came to check to make sure I was ok.

    I need to remember to bake them some cookies for being awesome like that.....if I only knew who the hell they were.

    Trying to type while stoned from them is like trying to write on water. My phone screen gets all rippled and all grammar and spelling laws get thrown out of the window

    Just get some fudgy brownies and put on some King Crimson and lie down, man.

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    (They are not very good swords).

    And those Eastern Bloc pistols chambered in 7.62mm or in .380 or even .25 cal were not great pistols. But the security services could terrify the hell out of the civilian population with them, which was the point. The samurai sword was no less an instrument of oppression by a military government.

    Good OP. It's pretty messed up that, given all the exemplary service rendered by African Americans to the US military in wars dating back to the Revolution, black veterans were still subjected to brutal attacks as late as 1949, when it should have been clear to anyone after years of fighting the Nazis and opposing Soviet ambitions that race has nothing to do with nationality.

    The 7.62 Tokarev is high powered enough to pierce weaker body armor naturally, so I'm not so sure about that one specifically.

    And the TT-33 and a lot of it's variants are pretty good designs. Solid, easy to maintain and manufacture.

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Wait that didn't work. Clearly embedding vimeo is more tricky than youtube.

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    the santoku on the other hand is favored in my kitchen over all my other chef's knives

    You poor fool

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    I'm rewatching the 2009 Star Trek movie, in preparation for the new one.

    The opening is so great!

    aaand then young Kirk is operating his Nokia phone system and listening to Beasty Boys.

    Sometimes good movies do bad thigns...

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    the santoku on the other hand is favored in my kitchen over all my other chef's knives

    You poor fool

    the little divots actually work!

    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    I give up.

    Anyhow, there's a new Kickstarter for a game called Death Inc.

    It looks like Syndicate set in the 17th century.

    Mojo_Jojo on
    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The 7.62 Tokarev is high powered enough to pierce weaker body armor naturally, so I'm not so sure about that one specifically.

    From the pocket pistols the Russians issued to the KGB and security services of their satellites? I'm impressed if that's the case, but I didn't figure they'd have the barrel length to get the most from the cartridge.

    They did some small variants but the standard TT-33 pattern has a higher muzzle velocity then an M1911.

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