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[Psycho-Pass]: Season 2 Now Airing (Dubbed Episodes Begin November 8th)
Ahhh I was looking for people to talk about this series with and didn't even think to check the PA forums.
I haven't seen S02E04 yet, but so far the new season needs more grotesquerie. I also don't really care about this secondary group of enforcers that have been preyed on since S02E01.
Ultimately my issues might be just due to receiving these episodes one a time instead of binging them like I did with the first season, but my hypothesis is that this season might up the ante plot-wise but fail to resonate with fans who enjoyed the first season for all the clever philosophy and social commentary.
I was happy to see Saiga became a quasi-Dr. Lecter, but that conversation felt straight out of "Circumlocution for Idiots" and his shitty pube-beard ultimately just annoyed me.
Overall, Season 2 seems to be a distinctly "B-team" production; I don't want to give up on it early, but the storytelling and animation have each been mediocre. I'm willing to forgive some of the aforementioned "soft-reset", but the current plot doesn't seem like it can sufficiently distinguish itself from that of Season 1, except in terms of less dense writing (for better or for worse).
Ahhh I was looking for people to talk about this series with and didn't even think to check the PA forums.
I haven't seen S02E04 yet, but so far the new season needs more grotesquerie. I also don't really care about this secondary group of enforcers that have been preyed on since S02E01.
Ultimately my issues might be just due to receiving these episodes one a time instead of binging them like I did with the first season, but my hypothesis is that this season might up the ante plot-wise but fail to resonate with fans who enjoyed the first season for all the clever philosophy and social commentary.
Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie.
Yeah. They also feel a touch disconnected. The way I thought this season might go was
This season really seems to be in the more show the terrible system rather then talk about it line.
Who knows, we may get some good commentary once things really heat up though.
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...
The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.
I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:
Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.
I totally fucking expected Kogami to eat it at some point but the show totally subverted that. The show may not be terribly deep but I'm pretty ok with that. Not everything needs to have its themes wrapped inside ten metric shit tons of imagery and symbolism and I tend to hate that sorta crap anyway.
Something that I really liked and stood out for me is how they don't fuck around with skipping "the boring parts." Showing the research and deduction as to how characters figure things out was really fun and the whole scene between Kogami and his Sensei when they were figuring out Makishima's next plan was just awesome.
I wanna start in on Season 2 but I dunno if I want to wait until I can just watch it all in one shot or if I want to go ahead and watch it one episode at a time.
The question itself is kind of a major spoiler, so into the tags it goes...
So what's the over/under on Hinakawa biting it before the season ends? He strikes me as the successor to Kagami, being the kind of rumpled, cute one who's going to stick his nose somewhere that it gets the rest of him destroyed.
My favorite musical instrument is the air-raid siren.
Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...
The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.
I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:
Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.
The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.
Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.
They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.
In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.
Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...
The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.
I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:
Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.
The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.
Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.
They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.
In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.
Mika makes a very good point about Akane being too involved with the enforcers. Latent criminals CAN be dangerous and I could see her trusting one too much and being a victim herself.
For episode 5
Damn Saiga is good. Going from "this guy is acting strange" directly to face switching just by watching some videos.
So... military grade robots, controllable by remote. If the rest of the world is in shambles do they really need those? If a handheld can control them, I wonder what, say, a group of linked brains in a jar could do with them...
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...
The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.
I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:
Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.
The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.
Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.
They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.
In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.
Mika makes a very good point about Akane being too involved with the enforcers. Latent criminals CAN be dangerous and I could see her trusting one too much and being a victim herself.
For episode 5
Damn Saiga is good. Going from "this guy is acting strange" directly to face switching just by watching some videos.
So... military grade robots, controllable by remote. If the rest of the world is in shambles do they really need those? If a handheld can control them, I wonder what, say, a group of linked brains in a jar could do with them...
ep 5:
That is kind of what I was thinking, why do you
need drone robots in an isolationalist environment that hasnt/isnt receiving public contact from the outside world.
Maybe the plan is to expand territory, if the world is in shambles, bring the 'light' of sibyl to the rest of the world?
The whole 'smart phone app controlls the drones' is something I expect to see on dishwasher tv, I was wholly unimpressed with that. Does it matter if they are automated or directly controlled by people, if the people dont know they ever murdered someone? Or is the plan to then reveal that the game players might have massacred a bunch of people, raising their PP?
Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...
The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.
I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:
Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.
The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.
Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.
They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.
In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.
Mika makes a very good point about Akane being too involved with the enforcers. Latent criminals CAN be dangerous and I could see her trusting one too much and being a victim herself.
For episode 5
Damn Saiga is good. Going from "this guy is acting strange" directly to face switching just by watching some videos.
So... military grade robots, controllable by remote. If the rest of the world is in shambles do they really need those? If a handheld can control them, I wonder what, say, a group of linked brains in a jar could do with them...
ep 5:
That is kind of what I was thinking, why do you
need drone robots in an isolationalist environment that hasnt/isnt receiving public contact from the outside world.
Maybe the plan is to expand territory, if the world is in shambles, bring the 'light' of sibyl to the rest of the world?
The whole 'smart phone app controlls the drones' is something I expect to see on dishwasher tv, I was wholly unimpressed with that. Does it matter if they are automated or directly controlled by people, if the people dont know they ever murdered someone? Or is the plan to then reveal that the game players might have massacred a bunch of people, raising their PP?
season 2, ep 5 spoilers:
I think the drones are to impose the isolationism. Even peaceful refugees would be a huge issue for Sibyl.
And I am reasonably sure the smarphone app is definitely to let people know they killed people
You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?
I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.
Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.
*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.
My favorite musical instrument is the air-raid siren.
You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?
I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.
Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.
*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.
Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.
You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?
I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.
Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.
*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.
Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.
So, yes but this was a 'prototype' right? I kind of see where Kupi was going with his post: at the end of the day,
It didnt matter who they fired upon. sybil said it was ok, and given the choice of 2 people, he didnt care who was behind his sights until he stopped to think about it afterwards.
That said, we pretty much just have to chock sybil up to 'magic' when reading someone, if now we can read them through a wall. Could it be a rifle that is using local cameras to read people, or any hue reading device(ie their smart watches?). I think the only issue then is they destroyed the camera. I don't know the whole thing is annoying. It was better when we thought they took empirical information like biometrics to determine mental health.
You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?
I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.
Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.
*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.
Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.
I forget, have we ever seen a Dominator pointed at an Inspector whose Crime Coefficient rendered them an enforcement target? Because I could definitely see enough of the early generation of Enforcers assuming that the Dominator acted like a normal gun that they'd have to revise the device to say "This is only going to discharge if the target is a criminal, and right now you're pointing at your boss who is not a criminal. This does not reflect well on you; consider not doing that?" While, at the same time, not issuing the warning under the legitimate circumstance that their Inspector was an enforcement target.
Unfortunately, saying that still sort of blows a hole in my argument that the Dominator is a completely stupid tool that operates only off of the crime coefficient.
Sorry for talking in circles so much. :?
On the same subject, though, just so I can get my head straightened out: can anyone recall which episode it was where they explained the Sybil System in detail? I'd like to re-watch it and verify for myself that they said biometrics were definitely not used. Because damn it still feels like they are.
My favorite musical instrument is the air-raid siren.
I'm so happy that Saiga has officially joined the team back at HQ. He's so great, just a chill professor who makes you step back and look at something differently. Really a great example of how Sibyl's latent criminal system doesn't work. Left to his own devices, he'd just be out in the country reading books and thinking deep thoughts.
Plus at the closing credits, when everyone is striking some stoic pose, he's just got his cup of coffee.
You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?
I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.
Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.
*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.
Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.
I forget, have we ever seen a Dominator pointed at an Inspector whose Crime Coefficient rendered them an enforcement target? Because I could definitely see enough of the early generation of Enforcers assuming that the Dominator acted like a normal gun that they'd have to revise the device to say "This is only going to discharge if the target is a criminal, and right now you're pointing at your boss who is not a criminal. This does not reflect well on you; consider not doing that?" While, at the same time, not issuing the warning under the legitimate circumstance that their Inspector was an enforcement target.
Unfortunately, saying that still sort of blows a hole in my argument that the Dominator is a completely stupid tool that operates only off of the crime coefficient.
Sorry for talking in circles so much. :?
On the same subject, though, just so I can get my head straightened out: can anyone recall which episode it was where they explained the Sybil System in detail? I'd like to re-watch it and verify for myself that they said biometrics were definitely not used. Because damn it still feels like they are.
They have always said/heavily implied that there is also a permissions system in place. I'm not sure a dominator would have allowed an enforcer to normally fire on an inspector anyways. We've seen the guns work on non human threats, but we dont know the specifics there, and how it gets complicated if say a drone takes a hostage.
Part of this seasons MO is
the bad guy figuring out how to use a dominator himself. I'm willing to bet hes going to mass produce them, give them to every one after randomly raising the color of the population to cause chaos.
edit: I tried showing a friend the show this weekend, and man, the first couple episodes are just so slap you in the face with unneeded exposition, he just kept laughing. I knew the first episode was extreme, but even the second or third were kind of silly with it.
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I'm so happy that Saiga has officially joined the team back at HQ. He's so great, just a chill professor who makes you step back and look at something differently. Really a great example of how Sibyl's latent criminal system doesn't work. Left to his own devices, he'd just be out in the country reading books and thinking deep thoughts.
Plus at the closing credits, when everyone is striking some stoic pose, he's just got his cup of coffee.
Missed this earlier. Yeah.
When I saw him in the cell, it made me wonder why he wasnt at HQ like the their tech lady in season 1.
Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.
The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.
The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.
There isn't a dumb system, in the facility cut off from the internet, they were unable to use their dominators. They wanted to line everyone up outside to check them. It requires a connection in order to work for sure.
As for accounting for each weapon, with mass cameras/wrist devices everywhere reading hues and monitoring, I dont think the guns doing the same thing is much of a load. It's just a flag sent back to the device to unlock/upgrade. On top of that the first season made it seem like
there were so few police(like, dozens for the whole country) because of lack of crime. On top of that the inspectors/enforcers are only brought in when drones cant do the job on their own. Basically enforcers exist to catch the 'special' ones to insert back into sybil.
I keep thinking of this at work and forgetting to post it when I get home, so... here it is.
One could say that the overarching theme of Season 1 was "what it looks like when Sybil fails to identify an actual criminal". It's looking like the overarching theme of Season 2 is "what it looks like when Sybil mistakenly identifies innocent people as guilty".
My favorite musical instrument is the air-raid siren.
Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.
The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.
There isn't a dumb system, in the facility cut off from the internet, they were unable to use their dominators. They wanted to line everyone up outside to check them. It requires a connection in order to work for sure.
As for accounting for each weapon, with mass cameras/wrist devices everywhere reading hues and monitoring, I dont think the guns doing the same thing is much of a load. It's just a flag sent back to the device to unlock/upgrade. On top of that the first season made it seem like
there were so few police(like, dozens for the whole country) because of lack of crime. On top of that the inspectors/enforcers are only brought in when drones cant do the job on their own. Basically enforcers exist to catch the 'special' ones to insert back into sybil.
season 1 spoiler through ep 17:
Yeah. The intended way the system should work is someone gets to, say, 50 and takes some drugs or seeks therapy, or closer to 100ish and then is told to immediately report to in patient treatment. Episode 1 occurred because the guy ran away from drones instead of saying, "You're right, guys, I do need help."
Enforcers mostly exist to deal with the common scum, because despite the comparative few, they do form the majority of criminals. The criminally asymptomatic seem exceptional
Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.
The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.
There isn't a dumb system, in the facility cut off from the internet, they were unable to use their dominators. They wanted to line everyone up outside to check them. It requires a connection in order to work for sure.
As for accounting for each weapon, with mass cameras/wrist devices everywhere reading hues and monitoring, I dont think the guns doing the same thing is much of a load. It's just a flag sent back to the device to unlock/upgrade. On top of that the first season made it seem like
there were so few police(like, dozens for the whole country) because of lack of crime. On top of that the inspectors/enforcers are only brought in when drones cant do the job on their own. Basically enforcers exist to catch the 'special' ones to insert back into sybil.
season 1 spoiler through ep 17:
Yeah. The intended way the system should work is someone gets to, say, 50 and takes some drugs or seeks therapy, or closer to 100ish and then is told to immediately report to in patient treatment. Episode 1 occurred because the guy ran away from drones instead of saying, "You're right, guys, I do need help."
Enforcers mostly exist to deal with the common scum, because despite the comparative few, they do form the majority of criminals. The criminally asymptomatic seem exceptional
Yeah, Makishima is an extreme outlier, since Sybil has nothing to go on for him basically. The asymptomatic are basically entirely unique thought patterns and such that make them impossible to properly analyze since there's nothing to compare against.
This differs from Akane, who is just stupidly absurdly resilient to stress - she does record higher numbers at times, but nowhere near the scale anyone else does (meaning her going over 100 would take stress levels that would drive the average person past 300 or more), and then it recovers so fast it doesn't even matter. Actually, this leads into something in season 2 -
Season 2, ep 4 spoiler:
One of the new enforcers had the highest psycho-pass ever recorded... I suspect he is being put under Akane for the sole purpose of contrasting with her abnormally low scores, to gather data. Of course, he seems to work well with her so far too, which is a plus but probably not Sybil's main goal.
Man, I'll wait to comment on Episode 6 but... Season 2 is just the gift that keeps on giving. This season is clearly exceeding my expectations.
Also, food for thought. I can't help but think of Akane as a (Lawful Good) Paladin archetype supplanted inside of a dystopian sci-fi setting. She has the morality and goodness of heart, she has the conviction, she upholds the law while trying to improve it from within, and she's immune to negative influence.
I'm not really feeling the new season as much. It seems like they're just upping the body count and recycling the same kind of plot.
Mystery unenforceable person manipulates people to evade SIBYL & do crime stuff.
I was really hoping that they'd build on the fucked up politics of season 1 instead. The universe is ripe for all kinds of different stories; it's practically Ghost In the Shell: The Even More Dystopian Version
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I haven't seen S02E04 yet, but so far the new season needs more grotesquerie. I also don't really care about this secondary group of enforcers that have been preyed on since S02E01.
Ultimately my issues might be just due to receiving these episodes one a time instead of binging them like I did with the first season, but my hypothesis is that this season might up the ante plot-wise but fail to resonate with fans who enjoyed the first season for all the clever philosophy and social commentary.
Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie.
Overall, Season 2 seems to be a distinctly "B-team" production; I don't want to give up on it early, but the storytelling and animation have each been mediocre. I'm willing to forgive some of the aforementioned "soft-reset", but the current plot doesn't seem like it can sufficiently distinguish itself from that of Season 1, except in terms of less dense writing (for better or for worse).
Not cleaning up after herself.
Akane puts up a good front, but it's cracking underneath.
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EDIT: Whew, they change it at mid-season.
EDIT EDIT:
I just got to him
Just wait, his magnificence magically magnifies majestically.
It's the vocals in the first intro song that drive me up a wall. They're nails on a chalkboard levels of terrible.
Yeah. They also feel a touch disconnected. The way I thought this season might go was
Who knows, we may get some good commentary once things really heat up though.
Holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.
I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:
Cause I Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel~
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DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
That was fucking quality start to finish and
Something that I really liked and stood out for me is how they don't fuck around with skipping "the boring parts." Showing the research and deduction as to how characters figure things out was really fun and the whole scene between Kogami and his Sensei when they were figuring out Makishima's next plan was just awesome.
Savor those ends of episodes.
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I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.
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The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.
Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.
They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.
In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.
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Mika makes a very good point about Akane being too involved with the enforcers. Latent criminals CAN be dangerous and I could see her trusting one too much and being a victim herself.
For episode 5
So... military grade robots, controllable by remote. If the rest of the world is in shambles do they really need those? If a handheld can control them, I wonder what, say, a group of linked brains in a jar could do with them...
ep 5:
That is kind of what I was thinking, why do you
Maybe the plan is to expand territory, if the world is in shambles, bring the 'light' of sibyl to the rest of the world?
The whole 'smart phone app controlls the drones' is something I expect to see on dishwasher tv, I was wholly unimpressed with that. Does it matter if they are automated or directly controlled by people, if the people dont know they ever murdered someone? Or is the plan to then reveal that the game players might have massacred a bunch of people, raising their PP?
season 2, ep 5 spoilers:
And I am reasonably sure the smarphone app is definitely to let people know they killed people
On Season 2 Episode 4: Boy, that was the wrong thing to watch right before going to bed.
*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.
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but I must say this show contains the best example of an Ubermensch I've ever seen ever.
So, yes but this was a 'prototype' right? I kind of see where Kupi was going with his post: at the end of the day,
That said, we pretty much just have to chock sybil up to 'magic' when reading someone, if now we can read them through a wall. Could it be a rifle that is using local cameras to read people, or any hue reading device(ie their smart watches?). I think the only issue then is they destroyed the camera. I don't know the whole thing is annoying. It was better when we thought they took empirical information like biometrics to determine mental health.
Unfortunately, saying that still sort of blows a hole in my argument that the Dominator is a completely stupid tool that operates only off of the crime coefficient.
Sorry for talking in circles so much. :?
On the same subject, though, just so I can get my head straightened out: can anyone recall which episode it was where they explained the Sybil System in detail? I'd like to re-watch it and verify for myself that they said biometrics were definitely not used. Because damn it still feels like they are.
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Plus at the closing credits, when everyone is striking some stoic pose, he's just got his cup of coffee.
They have always said/heavily implied that there is also a permissions system in place. I'm not sure a dominator would have allowed an enforcer to normally fire on an inspector anyways. We've seen the guns work on non human threats, but we dont know the specifics there, and how it gets complicated if say a drone takes a hostage.
Part of this seasons MO is
edit: I tried showing a friend the show this weekend, and man, the first couple episodes are just so slap you in the face with unneeded exposition, he just kept laughing. I knew the first episode was extreme, but even the second or third were kind of silly with it.
Missed this earlier. Yeah.
The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.
There isn't a dumb system, in the facility cut off from the internet, they were unable to use their dominators. They wanted to line everyone up outside to check them. It requires a connection in order to work for sure.
As for accounting for each weapon, with mass cameras/wrist devices everywhere reading hues and monitoring, I dont think the guns doing the same thing is much of a load. It's just a flag sent back to the device to unlock/upgrade. On top of that the first season made it seem like
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season 1 spoiler through ep 17:
Enforcers mostly exist to deal with the common scum, because despite the comparative few, they do form the majority of criminals. The criminally asymptomatic seem exceptional
This differs from Akane, who is just stupidly absurdly resilient to stress - she does record higher numbers at times, but nowhere near the scale anyone else does (meaning her going over 100 would take stress levels that would drive the average person past 300 or more), and then it recovers so fast it doesn't even matter. Actually, this leads into something in season 2 -
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Also, food for thought. I can't help but think of Akane as a (Lawful Good) Paladin archetype supplanted inside of a dystopian sci-fi setting. She has the morality and goodness of heart, she has the conviction, she upholds the law while trying to improve it from within, and she's immune to negative influence.
Also, best Akane face yet.
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I was really hoping that they'd build on the fucked up politics of season 1 instead. The universe is ripe for all kinds of different stories; it's practically Ghost In the Shell: The Even More Dystopian Version
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I'd like to hear more about the Chinese hacker guy from season 1. Or, at least, what kind of place he came from, what his people are up to, etc.