[Psycho-Pass]: Season 2 Now Airing (Dubbed Episodes Begin November 8th)

Wydrion

Ahhh I was looking for people to talk about this series with and didn't even think to check the PA forums.

I haven't seen S02E04 yet, but so far the new season needs more grotesquerie. I also don't really care about this secondary group of enforcers that have been preyed on since S02E01.

Ultimately my issues might be just due to receiving these episodes one a time instead of binging them like I did with the first season, but my hypothesis is that this season might up the ante plot-wise but fail to resonate with fans who enjoyed the first season for all the clever philosophy and social commentary.

Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie.

metaghost

I was happy to see Saiga became a quasi-Dr. Lecter, but that conversation felt straight out of "Circumlocution for Idiots" and his shitty pube-beard ultimately just annoyed me.

Overall, Season 2 seems to be a distinctly "B-team" production; I don't want to give up on it early, but the storytelling and animation have each been mediocre. I'm willing to forgive some of the aforementioned "soft-reset", but the current plot doesn't seem like it can sufficiently distinguish itself from that of Season 1, except in terms of less dense writing (for better or for worse).

vagrant_winds

Picking up smoking.
Not cleaning up after herself.

Akane puts up a good front, but it's cracking underneath.

Dracomicron

I miss Makishima. His conversations about classic sci-fi were the best.

TOGSolid

This show is really interesting but sweet baby jesus that intro song is fucking terrible.

EDIT: Whew, they change it at mid-season.

EDIT EDIT:

Dracomicron wrote: »

I miss Makishima. His conversations about classic sci-fi were the best.

I just got to him

talking about Gibson and Dick. This guy is the most magnificent of bastards.

Dracomicron

TOGSolid wrote: »

This show is really interesting but sweet baby jesus that intro song is fucking terrible.

EDIT: Whew, they change it at mid-season.

EDIT EDIT:

Dracomicron wrote: »

I miss Makishima. His conversations about classic sci-fi were the best.

I just got to him

talking about Gibson and Dick. This guy is the most magnificent of bastards.

Just wait, his magnificence magically magnifies majestically.

P10

i like the goofy intro songs

TOGSolid

P10 wrote: »

i like the goofy intro songs

It's the vocals in the first intro song that drive me up a wall. They're nails on a chalkboard levels of terrible.

programjunkie

Wydrion wrote: »

Ahhh I was looking for people to talk about this series with and didn't even think to check the PA forums.

I haven't seen S02E04 yet, but so far the new season needs more grotesquerie. I also don't really care about this secondary group of enforcers that have been preyed on since S02E01.

Ultimately my issues might be just due to receiving these episodes one a time instead of binging them like I did with the first season, but my hypothesis is that this season might up the ante plot-wise but fail to resonate with fans who enjoyed the first season for all the clever philosophy and social commentary.

Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie, Spooky Boogie.

Yeah. They also feel a touch disconnected. The way I thought this season might go was

Where did that cell phone video go?

Void Slayer

This season really seems to be in the more show the terrible system rather then talk about it line.

Who knows, we may get some good commentary once things really heat up though.

TOGSolid

The Chief and the Sybil System

Holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Void Slayer

TOGSolid wrote: »

The Chief and the Sibil System

Holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Everything is fine citizen, move along.

Wydrion

Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...

The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.

I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:

Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.

vagrant_winds

I really miss "Out of Control" for the OP music.

Cause I Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel~

TOGSolid

Finished up Season 1.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

That was fucking quality start to finish and

I totally fucking expected Kogami to eat it at some point but the show totally subverted that. The show may not be terribly deep but I'm pretty ok with that. Not everything needs to have its themes wrapped inside ten metric shit tons of imagery and symbolism and I tend to hate that sorta crap anyway.

Something that I really liked and stood out for me is how they don't fuck around with skipping "the boring parts." Showing the research and deduction as to how characters figure things out was really fun and the whole scene between Kogami and his Sensei when they were figuring out Makishima's next plan was just awesome.

I wanna start in on Season 2 but I dunno if I want to wait until I can just watch it all in one shot or if I want to go ahead and watch it one episode at a time.

vagrant_winds

Catch up and watch one ep at a time with us.

Savor those ends of episodes.

DiannaoChong

Something that bugs me about the recent episode:

You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?

I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.

Kupi

The question itself is kind of a major spoiler, so into the tags it goes...

So what's the over/under on Hinakawa biting it before the season ends? He strikes me as the successor to Kagami, being the kind of rumpled, cute one who's going to stick his nose somewhere that it gets the rest of him destroyed.

Professor Snugglesworth

Wydrion wrote: »

Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...

The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.

I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:

Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.

The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.

Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.

They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.

In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.

Void Slayer

Professor Snugglesworth wrote: »

Wydrion wrote: »

Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...

The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.

I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:

Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.

The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.

Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.

They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.

In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.

Mika makes a very good point about Akane being too involved with the enforcers. Latent criminals CAN be dangerous and I could see her trusting one too much and being a victim herself.

For episode 5

Damn Saiga is good. Going from "this guy is acting strange" directly to face switching just by watching some videos.

So... military grade robots, controllable by remote. If the rest of the world is in shambles do they really need those? If a handheld can control them, I wonder what, say, a group of linked brains in a jar could do with them...

DiannaoChong

Void Slayer wrote: »

Professor Snugglesworth wrote: »

Wydrion wrote: »

Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...

The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.

I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:

Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.

The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.

Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.

They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.

In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.

Mika makes a very good point about Akane being too involved with the enforcers. Latent criminals CAN be dangerous and I could see her trusting one too much and being a victim herself.

For episode 5

Damn Saiga is good. Going from "this guy is acting strange" directly to face switching just by watching some videos.

So... military grade robots, controllable by remote. If the rest of the world is in shambles do they really need those? If a handheld can control them, I wonder what, say, a group of linked brains in a jar could do with them...

ep 5:
That is kind of what I was thinking, why do you

need drone robots in an isolationalist environment that hasnt/isnt receiving public contact from the outside world.

Maybe the plan is to expand territory, if the world is in shambles, bring the 'light' of sibyl to the rest of the world?

The whole 'smart phone app controlls the drones' is something I expect to see on dishwasher tv, I was wholly unimpressed with that. Does it matter if they are automated or directly controlled by people, if the people dont know they ever murdered someone? Or is the plan to then reveal that the game players might have massacred a bunch of people, raising their PP?

programjunkie

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Void Slayer wrote: »

Professor Snugglesworth wrote: »

Wydrion wrote: »

Episode 4 would have probably affected me more if it didn't so closely resemble an episode from The Walking Dead Season 2...

The netflix version of S1 must have had touched up visuals because the quality of animation seems to have dropped as well, with the exception of some CGI with the Dominators.

I'm still not sold on this season, but we'll see where it goes from here. I did enjoy:

Mika taking over and then the mission being a complete disaster. Maybe this will lead to some interesting character development, or at least some hubris so she can stop acting irrationally pissed off.

The way I feel about Mika is probably the same way Sayaka haters felt about Sayaka; they keep showing her as a contrarian to Akane's actions without balancing things out by showing what kind of character she is when she isn't being constantly conflicting.

Urobuchi is a master of having you sympathize with even the most evil of his characters (and to a much smaller effect, why I was always rooting for Sayaka even during her "worst" moments). With Mika it's been 99% bitching about Akane, which is doubly irritating as so far she's been the only person in the entire cast to have a problem with her methods.

They are obviously setting her up for a big fall, but if they reach that point only to have the audience cheer her downfall instead of lamenting it, then they've botched her character big time.

In any event, episode 5 set up a hell of a twisted scenario as well as make the non-Mika characters that much more interesting.

Mika makes a very good point about Akane being too involved with the enforcers. Latent criminals CAN be dangerous and I could see her trusting one too much and being a victim herself.

For episode 5

Damn Saiga is good. Going from "this guy is acting strange" directly to face switching just by watching some videos.

So... military grade robots, controllable by remote. If the rest of the world is in shambles do they really need those? If a handheld can control them, I wonder what, say, a group of linked brains in a jar could do with them...

ep 5:
That is kind of what I was thinking, why do you

need drone robots in an isolationalist environment that hasnt/isnt receiving public contact from the outside world.

Maybe the plan is to expand territory, if the world is in shambles, bring the 'light' of sibyl to the rest of the world?

The whole 'smart phone app controlls the drones' is something I expect to see on dishwasher tv, I was wholly unimpressed with that. Does it matter if they are automated or directly controlled by people, if the people dont know they ever murdered someone? Or is the plan to then reveal that the game players might have massacred a bunch of people, raising their PP?

season 2, ep 5 spoilers:

I think the drones are to impose the isolationism. Even peaceful refugees would be a huge issue for Sibyl.

And I am reasonably sure the smarphone app is definitely to let people know they killed people

Kupi

So, I'm lagging behind a bit because any of the streaming sites I know to visit have lag time for free members.

On Season 2 Episode 4: Boy, that was the wrong thing to watch right before going to bed.

I'm pretty sure that had a higher Dominator-related body count than the whole of the first season.

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Something that bugs me about the recent episode:

You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?

I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.

Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.

*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.

Polaritie

Kupi wrote: »

So, I'm lagging behind a bit because any of the streaming sites I know to visit have lag time for free members.

On Season 2 Episode 4: Boy, that was the wrong thing to watch right before going to bed.

I'm pretty sure that had a higher Dominator-related body count than the whole of the first season.

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Something that bugs me about the recent episode:

You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?

I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.

Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.

*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.

Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.

Greeper

Working my way through season 1 do do not reading anything

but I must say this show contains the best example of an Ubermensch I've ever seen ever.

DiannaoChong

Polaritie wrote: »

Kupi wrote: »

So, I'm lagging behind a bit because any of the streaming sites I know to visit have lag time for free members.

On Season 2 Episode 4: Boy, that was the wrong thing to watch right before going to bed.

I'm pretty sure that had a higher Dominator-related body count than the whole of the first season.

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Something that bugs me about the recent episode:

You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?

I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.

Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.

*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.

Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.

So, yes but this was a 'prototype' right? I kind of see where Kupi was going with his post: at the end of the day,

It didnt matter who they fired upon. sybil said it was ok, and given the choice of 2 people, he didnt care who was behind his sights until he stopped to think about it afterwards.

That said, we pretty much just have to chock sybil up to 'magic' when reading someone, if now we can read them through a wall. Could it be a rifle that is using local cameras to read people, or any hue reading device(ie their smart watches?). I think the only issue then is they destroyed the camera. I don't know the whole thing is annoying. It was better when we thought they took empirical information like biometrics to determine mental health.

Kupi

Polaritie wrote: »

Kupi wrote: »

So, I'm lagging behind a bit because any of the streaming sites I know to visit have lag time for free members.

On Season 2 Episode 4: Boy, that was the wrong thing to watch right before going to bed.

I'm pretty sure that had a higher Dominator-related body count than the whole of the first season.

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Something that bugs me about the recent episode:

You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?

I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.

Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.

*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.

Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.

I forget, have we ever seen a Dominator pointed at an Inspector whose Crime Coefficient rendered them an enforcement target? Because I could definitely see enough of the early generation of Enforcers assuming that the Dominator acted like a normal gun that they'd have to revise the device to say "This is only going to discharge if the target is a criminal, and right now you're pointing at your boss who is not a criminal. This does not reflect well on you; consider not doing that?" While, at the same time, not issuing the warning under the legitimate circumstance that their Inspector was an enforcement target.

Unfortunately, saying that still sort of blows a hole in my argument that the Dominator is a completely stupid tool that operates only off of the crime coefficient.

Sorry for talking in circles so much. :?

On the same subject, though, just so I can get my head straightened out: can anyone recall which episode it was where they explained the Sybil System in detail? I'd like to re-watch it and verify for myself that they said biometrics were definitely not used. Because damn it still feels like they are.

Dracomicron

S2E5

I'm so happy that Saiga has officially joined the team back at HQ. He's so great, just a chill professor who makes you step back and look at something differently. Really a great example of how Sibyl's latent criminal system doesn't work. Left to his own devices, he'd just be out in the country reading books and thinking deep thoughts.

Plus at the closing credits, when everyone is striking some stoic pose, he's just got his cup of coffee.

DiannaoChong

Kupi wrote: »

Polaritie wrote: »

Kupi wrote: »

So, I'm lagging behind a bit because any of the streaming sites I know to visit have lag time for free members.

On Season 2 Episode 4: Boy, that was the wrong thing to watch right before going to bed.

I'm pretty sure that had a higher Dominator-related body count than the whole of the first season.

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Something that bugs me about the recent episode:

You can sense someones psycho pass through a wall, but not have an ID associated to tell you who they are?

I would think the later would be easier than the former. It feels like a real problem.

Well, if we go back to the idea that the Hue system is just a measure of various bio-markers*, then it's a little easier to swallow. Perhaps the system could, say, try to take their silhouette and match it back into a database of known persons, but that goes back into the whole premise of Psycho-Pass and the Dominator: it's a stupid data-driven tool. The only advice the Dominator ever gives is "aim carefully". Even if the user pointing it was advised that the target was someone known to be an Inspector, what difference does it make? If they're over 100, you should shoot them. If they're over 300, they die. You are not supposed to think about it. In fact, Kamui even made a point of that: you can get an Enforcer to kill an Inspector by raising the Inspector's crime coefficient. I suspect he'll be making use of that knowledge in the future.

*I know I was corrected on this, but the idea that the Hue is an AI evaluation by brains in jars and a fallible heuristic based on some biomarker statistics aren't mutually exclusive.

Wait though, isn't there an explicit warning if an enforcer aims at an inspector? I suppose that might require actual LoS, and not be present in that heavy cannon dominator.

I forget, have we ever seen a Dominator pointed at an Inspector whose Crime Coefficient rendered them an enforcement target? Because I could definitely see enough of the early generation of Enforcers assuming that the Dominator acted like a normal gun that they'd have to revise the device to say "This is only going to discharge if the target is a criminal, and right now you're pointing at your boss who is not a criminal. This does not reflect well on you; consider not doing that?" While, at the same time, not issuing the warning under the legitimate circumstance that their Inspector was an enforcement target.

Unfortunately, saying that still sort of blows a hole in my argument that the Dominator is a completely stupid tool that operates only off of the crime coefficient.

Sorry for talking in circles so much. :?

On the same subject, though, just so I can get my head straightened out: can anyone recall which episode it was where they explained the Sybil System in detail? I'd like to re-watch it and verify for myself that they said biometrics were definitely not used. Because damn it still feels like they are.

They have always said/heavily implied that there is also a permissions system in place. I'm not sure a dominator would have allowed an enforcer to normally fire on an inspector anyways. We've seen the guns work on non human threats, but we dont know the specifics there, and how it gets complicated if say a drone takes a hostage.

Part of this seasons MO is

the bad guy figuring out how to use a dominator himself. I'm willing to bet hes going to mass produce them, give them to every one after randomly raising the color of the population to cause chaos.

edit: I tried showing a friend the show this weekend, and man, the first couple episodes are just so slap you in the face with unneeded exposition, he just kept laughing. I knew the first episode was extreme, but even the second or third were kind of silly with it.

imdointhis

Can't say enough great things about this series.

DiannaoChong

Dracomicron wrote: »

S2E5

I'm so happy that Saiga has officially joined the team back at HQ. He's so great, just a chill professor who makes you step back and look at something differently. Really a great example of how Sibyl's latent criminal system doesn't work. Left to his own devices, he'd just be out in the country reading books and thinking deep thoughts.

Plus at the closing credits, when everyone is striking some stoic pose, he's just got his cup of coffee.

Missed this earlier. Yeah.

When I saw him in the cell, it made me wonder why he wasnt at HQ like the their tech lady in season 1.

Void Slayer

Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.

The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.

DiannaoChong

Void Slayer wrote: »

Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.

The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.

There isn't a dumb system, in the facility cut off from the internet, they were unable to use their dominators. They wanted to line everyone up outside to check them. It requires a connection in order to work for sure.

As for accounting for each weapon, with mass cameras/wrist devices everywhere reading hues and monitoring, I dont think the guns doing the same thing is much of a load. It's just a flag sent back to the device to unlock/upgrade. On top of that the first season made it seem like

there were so few police(like, dozens for the whole country) because of lack of crime. On top of that the inspectors/enforcers are only brought in when drones cant do the job on their own. Basically enforcers exist to catch the 'special' ones to insert back into sybil.

Kupi

I keep thinking of this at work and forgetting to post it when I get home, so... here it is.

One could say that the overarching theme of Season 1 was "what it looks like when Sybil fails to identify an actual criminal". It's looking like the overarching theme of Season 2 is "what it looks like when Sybil mistakenly identifies innocent people as guilty".

programjunkie

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Void Slayer wrote: »

Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.

The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.

There isn't a dumb system, in the facility cut off from the internet, they were unable to use their dominators. They wanted to line everyone up outside to check them. It requires a connection in order to work for sure.

As for accounting for each weapon, with mass cameras/wrist devices everywhere reading hues and monitoring, I dont think the guns doing the same thing is much of a load. It's just a flag sent back to the device to unlock/upgrade. On top of that the first season made it seem like

there were so few police(like, dozens for the whole country) because of lack of crime. On top of that the inspectors/enforcers are only brought in when drones cant do the job on their own. Basically enforcers exist to catch the 'special' ones to insert back into sybil.

season 1 spoiler through ep 17:

Yeah. The intended way the system should work is someone gets to, say, 50 and takes some drugs or seeks therapy, or closer to 100ish and then is told to immediately report to in patient treatment. Episode 1 occurred because the guy ran away from drones instead of saying, "You're right, guys, I do need help."

Enforcers mostly exist to deal with the common scum, because despite the comparative few, they do form the majority of criminals. The criminally asymptomatic seem exceptional

Polaritie

programjunkie wrote: »

DiannaoChong wrote: »

Void Slayer wrote: »

Well, we already saw a dominator permanently set to a single mode in the first season, so the sybil system has a direct intelligent control over them when it wants to. I don't even know if it is ever a "dumb" system since it supposedly gives a direct line to the system and there are few enough weapons that a portion of the system could concentrate on each gun.

The big question is how effectively the system's brains are brainwashed into accepting the system and if the ultimate goal is what they actually say.

There isn't a dumb system, in the facility cut off from the internet, they were unable to use their dominators. They wanted to line everyone up outside to check them. It requires a connection in order to work for sure.

As for accounting for each weapon, with mass cameras/wrist devices everywhere reading hues and monitoring, I dont think the guns doing the same thing is much of a load. It's just a flag sent back to the device to unlock/upgrade. On top of that the first season made it seem like

there were so few police(like, dozens for the whole country) because of lack of crime. On top of that the inspectors/enforcers are only brought in when drones cant do the job on their own. Basically enforcers exist to catch the 'special' ones to insert back into sybil.

season 1 spoiler through ep 17:

Yeah. The intended way the system should work is someone gets to, say, 50 and takes some drugs or seeks therapy, or closer to 100ish and then is told to immediately report to in patient treatment. Episode 1 occurred because the guy ran away from drones instead of saying, "You're right, guys, I do need help."

Enforcers mostly exist to deal with the common scum, because despite the comparative few, they do form the majority of criminals. The criminally asymptomatic seem exceptional

Yeah, Makishima is an extreme outlier, since Sybil has nothing to go on for him basically. The asymptomatic are basically entirely unique thought patterns and such that make them impossible to properly analyze since there's nothing to compare against.

This differs from Akane, who is just stupidly absurdly resilient to stress - she does record higher numbers at times, but nowhere near the scale anyone else does (meaning her going over 100 would take stress levels that would drive the average person past 300 or more), and then it recovers so fast it doesn't even matter. Actually, this leads into something in season 2 -

Season 2, ep 4 spoiler:

One of the new enforcers had the highest psycho-pass ever recorded... I suspect he is being put under Akane for the sole purpose of contrasting with her abnormally low scores, to gather data. Of course, he seems to work well with her so far too, which is a plus but probably not Sybil's main goal.

vagrant_winds

Man, I'll wait to comment on Episode 6 but... Season 2 is just the gift that keeps on giving. This season is clearly exceeding my expectations.

Also, food for thought. I can't help but think of Akane as a (Lawful Good) Paladin archetype supplanted inside of a dystopian sci-fi setting. She has the morality and goodness of heart, she has the conviction, she upholds the law while trying to improve it from within, and she's immune to negative influence.

Also, best Akane face yet.

Dracomicron

I'm not really feeling the new season as much. It seems like they're just upping the body count and recycling the same kind of plot.

Mystery unenforceable person manipulates people to evade SIBYL & do crime stuff.

I was really hoping that they'd build on the fucked up politics of season 1 instead. The universe is ripe for all kinds of different stories; it's practically Ghost In the Shell: The Even More Dystopian Version

vagrant_winds

You migt get your wish with the movie, which will be a sequel to season 2 and hapening outside of Japan mostly in the "South East Asian Union".

Dracomicron

vagrant_winds wrote: »

You migt get your wish with the movie, which will be a sequel to season 2 and hapening outside of Japan mostly in the "South East Asian Union".

I'd like to hear more about the Chinese hacker guy from season 1. Or, at least, what kind of place he came from, what his people are up to, etc.