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[System Shock & 2] - SHODAN's Liberation Is At Hand

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    I don't believe so.

    GOG is the best, though. I can think of no real benefit to buying it through steam.

  • AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    Luca72 wrote: »
    I just played this through for the first time about a month before it was released on GOG (the internet fairy delivered me a totally legal copy), and it was one of the best video game experiences I have EVER had.

    I've got a question about the GOG release though - does anyone know if any of the money goes to the original developers? I figure most of them are at Irrational, and probably don't even get royalties from SS2 because of the whole licensing confusion. Does the money just go to GOG? I guess it wouldn't hurt to add to the numbers, to show that people are still dedicated to this franchise.

    Also, does this mean the license has changed hands? Is there any possibility now of all the licenses for this game finding their way to a single group?

    As in... like... maybe... there could be hope for a System Shock 3?

    I would be astonished if Levine (for example) received so much as a penny.

    It's not impossible that the insurance company would find some compromise with EA; but do you really want EA to make a system shock 3? I mean, just consider that a minute.

    They actually started to and the game they made was Dead Space. If you've never played Dead Space you should or alternatively, if you've played Dead Space play System Shock 2 and consider how similar the games are in many aspects (atmosphere largely). Dead Space is almost System Shock like fan fiction, but has the added benefit of actually being a good game entirely on its own merits.

    Consider this general comparison of Dead Space and System Shock 2:
    You go through similar decks to System Shock, including medical and hydroponics - almost entirely on the nose references. They also make you solve various puzzles to proceed with some degree of backtracking through areas, some of which are references to puzzles in System Shock 2.

    The ship slowly gets overtaken by organic matter and you frequently have to clear it off to proceed.

    The games structure is even similar with some of the first levels being medical, then engineering and then hydroponics (sound familiar out of curiosity?)

    You can easily run out of resources like health/ammo on high difficulties, with your upgrade choices in weapons being very important (spreading yourself out thin in Dead Space is a dangerous prospect, just like in SS2). Unlike Bioshock where there is no permanence to just about any decision you make and the game floods you with resources trivializing the game on the highest difficulty (not to mention zero threat of death whatsoever).

    And so on. I think EA benefitted a lot from not actually having the actual System Shock trappings when making Dead Space, but as Dead Space started life as System Shock 3 the comparisons/homages are there. I stand by my opinion that Dead Space feels more like System Shock 2 than Bioshock does by a long way.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    Dead Space feels more like System Shock 2 and Bioshock feels more like the first System Shock, I'd say.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    If SS2 came to Steam, the best reward/celebration Valve could do would be a Left 4 Dead campaign where you escape the Von Braun.

  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    They say it's coming.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    If SS2 came to Steam, the best reward/celebration Valve could do would be a Left 4 Dead campaign where you escape the Von Braun.

    you should email this to gabe!

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Humm. But the big question would be....What Team fortress 2 item would result from a pre-order? A bio gun flamethrower? an annalid thorn?

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    Those awesome implant/goggles for a hat. Love the idea of an annelid thorn bat.

  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    Shodan hair.

  • heenatoheenato Alice Leywind Registered User regular
    shodan mask would be better.

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  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    What would be best would be for the announcers voice to change to shodans.

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    edited March 2013
    Well this is weird. I can't get the Rickenbacker Pod 2 elevator door to open.

    Edit: One of these days, I will remember the purpose of Nacelle B.

    jdarksun on
  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited March 2013
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Well this is weird. I can't get the Rickenbacker Pod 2 elevator door to open.

    are you sure you've
    reversed the gravity?

    This last time through, I missed the area on my first pass and had to backtrack.

    Tamin on
  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I too am on the Rickenbacker. However I did that thing. You know the thing.
    I went all the way to the end of the upside down deck, and remembered I hadn't shot all the eggs. Backtrack ahoy! D:

    SS2 could do with a noclip cheat for things like that.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    I too am on the Rickenbacker. However I did that thing. You know the thing.
    I went all the way to the end of the upside down deck, and remembered I hadn't shot all the eggs. Backtrack ahoy! D:

    SS2 could do with a noclip cheat for things like that.

    Yeah. One or two are a bit too well-hidden.

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    I'm dissapointed we only got 8 pages for this game. Gaming history here.

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    I have some faith that more people will pick it up on steam (if it ever launches there), and this thread will be waiting for them.

  • Lucid_SeraphLucid_Seraph TealDeer MarylandRegistered User regular
    I have the GoG version, I have just been busy with Brütal Legend, which I have never played. Also, I'm not sure I'm in an emotional place where I can go back to that ship...

    so instead lemmie tell ya a story.

    The first time I played SS2 I was in Japan on a 4 month study abroad program that went way, way, WAY south in the first month I was there. I had to get moved from my host family because my host mother turned out to be crazy, and I ended up suicidally depressed because of being a bajillion miles from my home with a poor grasp of the language, and because I ended up living alone in a dingy apartment with a single hot plate.

    SS2 was so weird because it was terrifying, but at the same time it also kept me sane. The place was full of zombies, but I could actually read the signs, and there was something about the paradigm of a first person shooter that was comforting. I couldn't navigate the intricacies of Japanese society as a dumb white kid, but I could navigate the corridors of a derelict space ship while zombies begged for me to murder them.

    It was also funny though, the damn cameras... I got such a trigger reflex for taking out the cameras that I kind of had a big anxiety attack on the way to school in Japan once, as there was a camera under a highway overpass that I walked by every day that I swear looked JUST like the ones on the ship. I actually reached for a pistol that wasn't there automatically and then stood there awkwardly for a moment.

    Also:
    jesus god the cargo bays haunted my nightmares. I still cite those as some of the scariest places I've ever been in a game

    And yeah, I LOVE Bioshock, but I think Bioshock is kind of a joke in comparison. I was never once frightened while playing Bioshock at all, even if the design is gorgeous. System Shock 2 though... brrr.

    As for the Dead Space comparisons, I think the first one is ok, but I still think Dead Space relies too heavily on jumpscares. System Shock 2 did a better job with the psychological horror, I think. DS tried real hard though.

    As for what studio I'd want to make a new SS game? It'll never happen, but fuck it, put it back in Irrational's hands. I want a game that makes me question shit, dammit.

    anyway yeah
    A friend of mine and I are thinking of doing a Let's Play of co-op mode specifically, but that won't be for a while (we're both very busy people)

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    A co-op LP could be very interesting! I hope you and your friend get a chance to play and record it.

  • KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    I don't believe so.

    GOG is the best, though. I can think of no real benefit to buying it through steam.


    Not so much a benefit as I already have a Steam account, and have never heard of GOG before this thread. Perhaps it's just my personal quirks, but I'd rather keep my library as consolidated as possible.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited March 2013
    Krieghund wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    I don't believe so.

    GOG is the best, though. I can think of no real benefit to buying it through steam.


    Not so much a benefit as I already have a Steam account, and have never heard of GOG before this thread. Perhaps it's just my personal quirks, but I'd rather keep my library as consolidated as possible.

    Then you are about to be very, very broke. :)

    More seriously, I tend to agree. A consolidated library is a noble goal to strive for.

    But GOG is a special case. Not only do they provide games that you simply can't find anywhere else; they also keep them patched and ensure they will work on a modern computer. Even better, they just* provide a means of installing the game. There's no GOG Client or extra software to download or worry about. As far as I know, none of their games have any DRM.

    And you can always hit that "+ add a game" button so steam adopts the game. Not all games play nicely with the overlay, but most of them will work with minor tweaking.

    * they also provide the goodies - manual, soundtracks, artwork and others.

    I can't recommend them highly enough.

    Tamin on
  • Lucid_SeraphLucid_Seraph TealDeer MarylandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2013
    Krieghund wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    I don't believe so.

    GOG is the best, though. I can think of no real benefit to buying it through steam.


    Not so much a benefit as I already have a Steam account, and have never heard of GOG before this thread. Perhaps it's just my personal quirks, but I'd rather keep my library as consolidated as possible.

    GoG has a lot of advantages over Steam though, in my opinion? Or rather, it offers a different service. I was like you until SS2 came out, at which point I signed up and then

    And then DAMN YOU GoG! You taunt me with re-releases of Might and Magic VI, which was like crack for young middle school aged me! You have Ultima Underworld, which is the first game I ever played (I was five. I was very, very bad at it. My parents were either great or terrible, depending on your opinion) and it's like $6!? Arrrrgh! I don't have time to play all this sweet stuff! Also, I'm an intern at [Redacted]! They don't pay me near enough to even afford this stuff :(

    It's like, imagine if there was a Steam sale 24/7 on everything you ever loved from your childhood. That's GoG. They are magic leprechaun magicians whose only goal is to make you happy while taking all your money. Meanwhile, Steam itself actually very rarely has titles I care about at prices I can afford, unless it is a sale day, in which case there's still only 2 or 3 things I actually give a damn about.





    Though I guess if you're not into old school PC gaming it's kinda pointless? But the mindset of someone who doesn't like old school PC gaming is alien to me. What planet are you from? It is clearly not Tau Ceti V, that's for sure.

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  • heenatoheenato Alice Leywind Registered User regular
    They do tend to announce things in the most annoying way possible though. Although I think they've eased up on that since it rightfully pissed everyone off.

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    heenato wrote: »
    They do tend to announce things in the most annoying way possible though. Although I think they've eased up on that since it rightfully pissed everyone off.

    "hey guys, we're shutting down Good Old Games!"

    <something like a week passes>

    "lol we're just relaunching under a new brand: GOG.com!"

  • heenatoheenato Alice Leywind Registered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »

    "hey guys, we're shutting down Good Old Games!"

    <something like a week passes>

    "lol we're just relaunching under a new brand: GOG.com!"
    That wasn't even when they were rebranding. They just updated the site layout during that one.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Yeah that was "going out of Beta."

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    august wrote: »
    Yeah that was "going out of Beta."

    At any rate, it was a genuinely stupid thing for them to do. Apparently they were trying to avoid being "boring".

    I mean, I guess a heart attack is exciting.

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    I guess what keeps me from going to gog is that while im sure they have a great selection, what happens if one day GoG goes under? Its not quite like steam that has a money security blanket resembling scrooge McDuck's money bin with a fat man swimming naked in the money. Right now im of the opinion that steam is going to pretty much last forever. My kids (if any) will inherit my steam account. Gog? just another login and password to remember and because they dont have a nice front end like steam, I have to keep track of what games ive purchased from them so i can go back one day and say oh i bought that? Steam every time i open it i have a list a mile long of games i bought but havent played yet.

    I got nothing against GoG, dont get me wrong. I am very thankful for them bringing back SS2, and when steam SS2 becomes available i might buy the steam key (if they offer it) from gog just to apply it to my steam account.

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  • heenatoheenato Alice Leywind Registered User regular
    You put the installer on a flash drive, and bam. There you go.

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    I guess what keeps me from going to gog is that while im sure they have a great selection, what happens if one day GoG goes under?
    The total lack of DRM, for one.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    I guess what keeps me from going to gog is that while im sure they have a great selection, what happens if one day GoG goes under?

    Nothing! Unlike steam, if GOG goes under, you keep all your games.
    Its not quite like steam that has a money security blanket resembling scrooge McDuck's money bin with a fat man swimming naked in the money. Right now im of the opinion that steam is going to pretty much last forever. My kids (if any) will inherit my steam account. Gog? just another login and password to remember and because they dont have a nice front end like steam, I have to keep track of what games ive purchased from them so i can go back one day and say oh i bought that? Steam every time i open it i have a list a mile long of games i bought but havent played yet.

    I got nothing against GoG, dont get me wrong. I am very thankful for them bringing back SS2, and when steam SS2 becomes available i might buy the steam key (if they offer it) from gog just to apply it to my steam account.

    Steam dying isn't what I'm worried about. I worry (a bit) that they may ban me by accident and then I'll lose all my games.

    There's no front end (but to me that's a plus); but they provide a perfectly fine game library on their site. One I happen to like more than Steam's, which is very computery and not skeuomorphic (something I'm into at the moment).

  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    skeuomorphic is a disease that's thankfully going away.

    But anyway, I love gog, i've been an user since the actual beta, and I have dozens of games over there. But most of the games need the correct shortcut to work; the dosbox game shortcuts evoke the correct conf file, and the windows game shortcuts often load many important settings for launch. But GoG only started including a copy of those shortcuts inside the game's directory very recently, so, if you lose the shortcuts for the older games, I'd have to reinstall them. A bit annoying. But I love gog.

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  • Lucid_SeraphLucid_Seraph TealDeer MarylandRegistered User regular
    Yeah for me the advantage of GoG is the library they have. With Steam, like I said, I'll maybe see one or two games a year that I'm like GOTTA HAVE IT (and yes, even with the sales). With GoG I have to repeatedly tell myself not to buy all of Baldur's Gate and Ultima and Might and Magic and Planescape: Torment and all that all over again because wow where would I get the time and those $6-10 purchases start to add up after a while.

    I have a problem and that problem is the 90s.

    Anyway, back to SS2 goodness: are there any fan-made levels you guys can recommend? Is that even a thing that exists?

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited March 2013
    Yeah for me the advantage of GoG is the library they have. With Steam, like I said, I'll maybe see one or two games a year that I'm like GOTTA HAVE IT (and yes, even with the sales). With GoG I have to repeatedly tell myself not to buy all of Baldur's Gate and Ultima and Might and Magic and Planescape: Torment and all that all over again because wow where would I get the time and those $6-10 purchases start to add up after a while.

    I have a problem and that problem is the 90s.

    Anyway, back to SS2 goodness: are there any fan-made levels you guys can recommend? Is that even a thing that exists?

    They definitely exist. I don't have any first-hand experience with them, but here's a few. edit: some overlap, but a handful more

    if you've completely lost your mind, you can try your hand at ShockEd. It is an arcane piece of software, though; beware.

    Tamin on
  • IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    Bumping for anyone like me is just now playing SS2 with its Steam release. FYI I installed the recommended mods using the zip in the OP and they all seem to work. Everything looks great except for the in game videos which is totally understandable.

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    Incindium wrote: »
    Bumping for anyone like me is just now playing SS2 with its Steam release. FYI I installed the recommended mods using the zip in the OP and they all seem to work. Everything looks great except for the in game videos which is totally understandable.

    Excellent! Let us know if you have any questions.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    *** Message received ***

    Some of you may know about the Steam Trading Cards. A new, currently in beta, system that adds some value to the act of playing a game.

    By itself, not relevant to this thread.

    However, I ran across this post a few minutes ago that claims System Shock 2 will be added to the system soon. Night Dive Studios is asking the steam community for suggestions.

    They have a few ideas already:
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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    For Father's Day the kid gave me a steam wallet code so I decided that I'd take a trip down memory lane and pick this back up to play again as it's been years since I've played it.

    Time to jump back in.

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  • GrimthwackerGrimthwacker Registered User regular
    Y'know, I usually don't replay things so soon after I finish them, but after going on a major Bioshock binge (two subsequent playthroughs of Infinite followed by my successful "Brass Balls" run of the original), I might just go back into this one with the texture and model upgrade patches. Maybe some more stuff if I feel like it. Now that I know what I'm in for I can actually make my Marine run work this time.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
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    just going to leave this here.

    They're coming.

    Not sure how I feel about the "confrontation" one, because part of me was really hoping they'd just use touched-up versions of existing artwork. Unless that one exists somewhere and I'm simply unaware of it.

    Midwife looks kinda dumb from the corner you can see, at least imho.

    Tamin on
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