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Greatest Animated Film
goldwatchkilla
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Just watched The Secret of NIMH for the first time and convinced that it is the greatest animated movie I've ever had the pleasure of viewing. Please convince me otherwise, what is the greatest animated film?
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(Secret of NIMH has inspired some of the most horrifying furry "art" to ever grace the internet-forever tainting it)
Man, there's probably Iron Giant porn too. And NIMH x Iron Giant porn. Rule 34!
That said, hand drawn, or does CG count? Because I'd throw Toy Story 3 in the ring.
Actually, just going with hand drawn, the very first Land Before Time. The sequels do not exist.
I kind of like all the Don Bluth films, even if they're pretty intense, for children's movies.
Storytelling is great, characters are interesting, artwork is breathtaking, score compliments the film, they just never get old!
But there's so many contenders and wonderful films! Toy Story, Lion king, Secret of NIMH, Secret of Kells, Snow White, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, I mean the list goes on
The Time Masters;
Fantastic Planet;
Gandahar;
Raymond Briggs is an English Graphic Novelist known for his bright and cheerful art style, and for some of his books being adapted to animated films. Probably the most famous is The Snowman:
There was a thirty-year-later sequel with a snowdog recently, but we don't talk about it.
He used this style for adult books as well, such as Gentleman Jim, the trials and tribulations of Jim and Hilda Bloggs, as Jim sets out to change careers in a comedic fashion.
When the Wind Blows is Gentleman Jim's sequel, as a now retired Jim and Hilda try to prepare for...um...
Nuclear War...
Well, on the bright side, David Bowie contributes a song for the eponymous movie!
The story's intention is sharp and painful: To use a mixture of black humour, satire and unvarnished truth to show that Government Advice like this:
Is, to be charitable, inadequate. You yanks thought The Day After was depressing, the only thing that gives When the Wind Blows a run for its money is its spiritual live action sister Threads. I know animation has a history of ripping those tears out of your eyes as far back as Bambi's Mom, but this is fullblown "There is no God" territory. It's one of those things animation buffs should watch at least once, but if it isn't on your shelf, I can understand.
Those french films look very much like some sort of homage to Moebius. That is a very good thing.
You seem to have confused NIMH with The Brave Little Toaster, which holds my personal title for worst fan drawn atrocities.
Surprised there hasn't been a Grave of the Fireflies mention yet.
I really loved Wreck-it-Ralph and The Incredibles, as far as 3D goes.
Also Howl's Moving Castle and Sleeping Beauty for hand drawn.
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Duh
- Pinocchio
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
- Ratatouille
- Snow White
- Secret of NIMH
- Fantastic Mr. Fox
- Rango
I haven't watched it in a while, so I'm not sure how well it holds up against non-10-year-old minds.
In lieu of that, Akira gets my nod as it was the first Anime I ever watched, and got me into the genre. It still is enjoyable to watch and had a special place in my heart.
Obligatory:
Inferior to Who Framed Roger Rabbit for the hybrid category.
/end thread
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Red Line for how insane it is as well as it's level of detail (none of it is CGI, it's all hand drawn)
The Studio Ghibli classics
Lion King
Beauty and the Beast (not my personal favorite, but I appreciate the quality)
The Incredibles
I thought the opening from Up was the best sequence I've ever seen in an animated film. The rest of the movie was good but not 'Greatest'...*wipes away tear
Toy Story 3 was great, but I wouldn't consider it 'greatest' class either.
My personal favorite Disney is Robin Hood, but I recognize that it's merely 'good' tier, not 'great' tier. We wore out that VHS twice when I was a kid...parents probably shouldn't have let us watch it quite that much, my sister and I could recite the whole movie's dialogue at one point.
Haven't seen Iron Giant, can't really remember NIMH.
This seems needlessly antagonistic.
It's gorgeous and disturbing. For me it also introduced me to the terror of death.
Not like the concept of death - that's all Bambi's Mom, etc. Boo hoo.
I mean the stark unbridled horror that is dying in a claustrophobic hole.
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
The Incredibles
The Lion King and most of the 90's Disney Renaissance movies
Studio Ghibli's catalog
Land Before Time, All Dogs go to Heaven, ah hell just pre-90's Don Bluth films in general
The Iron Giant
Persepolis
The Brave Little Toaster
Just WAAAYYY too many to call any single one the best. Most of Disney's classics catalog easily qualifies for it. As far as Ghibli's films go, my personal favorite is a 3 way tie between Princess Mononoke, Porco Rosso, and Castle in the Sky. Especially the last one as Final Fantasy's creator was heavily inspired by it. My favorite pipe dream is Disney and Ghibli collaborating together and making a Laputa remake as a classic Disney musical, and bringing back Mark Hamill for by he English voice cast. That's mostly because I feel Laputa is closest to the Disney plot formula, and who here DOESN'T want to hear Mark Hamill sing a Disney villian song on the level of "Be prepared" or "Poor Unfortunate Souls"? I sure as hell know I do!
Mask of the Phantasm too
Secret of Kells deserves a nod
from Disney, Snow White and Beauty and the Beast (Gaston's song makes that movie)
I have a huge soft spot for Totoro too
I loved Mask of the Phantasm too.
The Batman Beyond movie with the Joker's return was pretty great too.
Yeah I completely forgot to mention Mask of the Phantasm, I still hold it slightly above the Nolan Batman movies as best Batman film, but I understand that's more of a personal preference for me, I doubt anyone agrees on that.
Yeah, we're not doing this shit in here.
But then Gargoyles. And not the awesome David Keith voiced ones.
Tony Jay as Frollo is basically one of the best villain voices ever. And that was a really serious song for a kid's movie. Felt almost Don Bluthian.
I'm a little disappointed that I don't have more Pixar movies on my list, but if I'm trying to make an objective collection of "Best" films, too many of Pixar's films fail to stick the narrative landing.
As you say, Wall-E has a great first act, but the finale is a bit of a harblegarble and the character's relationship with EVE is never fleshed out enough to make it less creepy and weird. The Incredibles, likewise, never seems to address its own Randian themes in a meaningful way. Finding Nemo never really seems to know what to do with Dori. The Toy Stories are generally well-made, just not particularly deep or instructive. Up also has a great first act and a third act which is just all over the goddamned place. And, obviously, we're not saying anything about Cars.
For my money, when picking movies for my son, Studio Ghibli wins hands down. Films like Kiki's Delivery Service, Ponyo, Castle in the Sky, Hell, just about the entire catalog. Nausicaa was the first one i ever saw, it's right there with Akira for me, a step behind maybe. I did see Akira first.
But Ghibli manages what a lot of movies intended for children do not, first they portray children a lot better than most, and they manage non-violent, non-antagonistic stories, Like Totoro, Ponyo, Kiki. The "bad" people are usually just selfish, or nonexistent, and the conflict stems from personal growth, coming of age. This is fantastic for a children's movie, and can be found elsewhere, but not quite in the same way. Ghibli's portrayal of children is amazing, and better than most anything.
For me, Akira has to be tops, not only is the animation amazing, you have to watch it and remember this was done in the 80s. No computer jiggery or shortcuts here, it's all quite stunning. Combined with an ambitious, but difficult story, which does not fall into the Masamune Shirow pitfall of explanation...and explanation....and explanation (Ghost in the Shell is something amazing as well though, I can't stand the 2.0 version, I'll take the old one). There probably should be some mention of Disney, but their recent (past 20 years) behavior makes me kind of ignore them. I would love to never buy anything from Disney, but they have Ghibli and pixar, so... A great deal of my distaste for Disney stems from a deep-seated revulsion for musicals.
I just sat here for a few moments trying to think of something as good as Akira, there are some that came close, Grave of the Fireflies - a little plodding, been a long time since I've seen it - Wings of Honneamise - had some really good design, made the whole thing seem alien, alternate - I can't really think of anymore.
Now I'm just thinking of Anime from when I was first exposed to it. Black Magic M66, Appleseed, Casshan Robot Hunter.
I mostly approve with this assessment of the Pixar films.
I haven't seen Ratatouille or Bug's Life, so I can't really comment on those two.
I'd have to give Monsters Inc. a honorable mention though. It's definitely in the 'very good' category, and I'm hard pressed to think of any glaring weakness with it.
Cars...well, it's definitely loved by kids (my daughter has so much f'in Cars stuff it's crazy) and if nothing else...it's a hell of a lot better movie than the sequel - which is basically 'Larry the Cable Guy as a Tow Truck'. Cars 2 doesn't deserve the Pixar label, although I am curious to see the Planes spin-off that's coming straight to DVD this year (i think).
I think Monsters, Inc is a very good film, as well. The only reason I don't elevate it beyond that is because it just doesn't aim very high. It's warm and fun, but it's also very soft on message. It's a wonderful film, but not really making any effort to engage more mature themes. And that's okay! It doesn't have to, but that is the reason I can't really call it transcendent in the same way I think Ratatouille is.
A Bug's Life is just kinda "meh." Not bad or anything, just not aiming very high.
Ghost in the shell is up there as well. 2.0 looked dated a year after it came out and is not good. The original is still great to go back and watch. The sequel is pretty, but is looking dated with its (impressive at the time) CGI shenanagins. just wasn't that great.
If you want feel bad's kind of movie, Jin Roh was pretty awesome. That ending will fuck you up. We finished watching it as a group with friends and just kind of sat there in silence for 15 minutes.
I think my favorite animated films are definitely WALL-E, Iron Giant and Princess Mononoke. Other greats are Aladdin, Great Mouse Detective, Mulan and The Incredibles.
Incredibles stands as the single Disney movie that deserves them to go and sequel the hell out of it. They need a rogues gallery.
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i remember watching this before our copy of Godzilla 1984. Thank you for the refreshing memories