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The super-mega homeowner thread

bowenbowen Sup?Registered User regular
edited April 2013 in Help / Advice Forum
So I'm looking into purchasing a house. I know the ins and outs of the procedures, I know what I need to do, my problem is I need to know some companies that give out loans. I'd try my local banks, but they have been spectacular at giving me shitty rates on things like car loans and the likes, so, does anyone have any recommendations for a bank/mortgage company to go through?

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Oh it'll likely need to be an FHA lender for various reasons.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    I contacted several mortgage companies and just started soliciting quotes on rates and everything. I then gauged the helpfulness and insightfulness of the representatives I talked to. There's a decent chance there will be hijinks during the process, so having someone that you can easily call and say, "Hey, this just happened I need some help" is huge. I ended up with a guy who was willing to sit on the phone with me for awhile as we crunched the numbers between loan lengths and exact borrowing amounts to find my sweet spot.

    You'll definitely want to spend a little time investigating your options, because the lender is a great resource. If you get the right one, they'll be eager to help you with all sorts of things since they want you to get to the "house successfully bought" stage so they can make their money, too. If you're in the DC/Virginia area I'd be glad to recommend the group I went with, can't remember where you are.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Upstate NY, unfortunately.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Also, Charles Schwab tried really hard to push me to Quickenloans.

    Quickenloans SUCKED. They offered me ridiculously terrible loan rates and almost no customer service.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Okay, eliminating them, that's the big one that's been popping up for me!

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Don't go with Bank of America.

    We refinanced last year and it was a complete and utter fucking nightmare. The processor we were working with would ask for the same paperwork three or four times, and then when we would ask about the status she would ask for the same paperwork again. That was three months of back and forth bullshit there...and three months after it got escalated to the manager. I think our first contact was the first week of April, and we ended up finally closing the last day of September. From some people I've talked to, our experience was typical for any of the big places.

    The only plus was that they dropped our rate from ~3.75 to 3.5 (30 year, FHA) for no cost because they didn't want us to walk - our personal banker got involved so she pushed it up the chain as a high priority.

    I could go on for pages about how horrible it was and all the things they did that were just ridiculous...like calling my new manager six times over a three month span to verify my employment, or screwing up home owners insurance in our escrow after I specifically told them 'this was a problem the past three times we set a closing date, get it right the first time."

    Let's just say I'd recommend somewhere else.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    @zagdrob any other companies you were partially looking at by any chance?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ThundyrkatzThundyrkatz Registered User regular
    I know this gets trotted out all the time during these questions.

    But, check with your local credit unions. They typically have the lowest rates and some of the best customer support. When my Wife & I got our mortgage, and when we refinanced our mortgage through credit unions. They were extremely helpful, the rates were very good. Also, follow up was always with the same person that we could go into the office and talk with if we needed to.

    Also, as a bonus. Any time you can take business away from a national bank its a good thing. Even if its just a drop in the bucket.

  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    Have you looked at loca credit unions? There are several local to me that have great rates but don't show up on bankrate mortgage rate searches. Also I find the staff at credit unions to usually be more helpful than those at the megabanks.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    We don't really have any good credit unions here. I think AmeriCU is the only one that sticks out. I guess I'm open to recommendations there as well.

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    @zagdrob any other companies you were partially looking at by any chance?

    Not really. I skimmed the rates in the area (Quicken, other major banks, etc) and they were about the same or higher than Bank of America. Since we were already with Bank of America (we landed with them after being sold about five times in late 2008 / early 2009) and had our checking / savings there already I just had our personal banker get the process started.

    It WAS probably was the best bet, because our personal banker and other business is probably the reason they bought us a point and then dropped us another .125 instead of calling my bluff on walking away. We ended up with 3.5% / 30 years, so once we finally got through the headache, it was worth it.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I went through Pinnacle and they did right by us. We got FHA and a good rate, the process was easy, it was nice all around and they explained everything to us along the way. Be prepared for a metric fuckton of paperwork but they help with everything.

    We got FHA at under 4% and our down payment/closing costs were very, very low.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    I went through Pinnacle and they did right by us. We got FHA and a good rate, the process was easy, it was nice all around and they explained everything to us along the way. Be prepared for a metric fuckton of paperwork but they help with everything.

    We got FHA at under 4% and our down payment/closing costs were very, very low.

    Are they national or local to you @amateurhour ?

    I can't seem to pull up a website for them.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    WellsFargo has been pretty good to me, but I did do a 20% down, rather than a FHA.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I went through Pinnacle and they did right by us. We got FHA and a good rate, the process was easy, it was nice all around and they explained everything to us along the way. Be prepared for a metric fuckton of paperwork but they help with everything.

    We got FHA at under 4% and our down payment/closing costs were very, very low.

    Are they national or local to you @amateurhour ?

    I can't seem to pull up a website for them.

    They may be local.

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  • kilroydoskilroydos Registered User regular
    I'm looking to begin this process targeting a move in August, hopefully. Are we allowing ourselves an appropriate amount of time for this?

    I also wondered if there was a homebuying thread stashed away somewhere around here, as it would be great to follow along and see what we might be missing.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Takes about 3-6 months on average kilroydos. Have you gotten preapproved?

    @ceres I'm fine with making this a general first time homebuyers thread or I can make another.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2013
    It took me 60 days. I put in my 60 day notice at my apartment to not renew my lease (we were planning to just rent a home if we didn't find one we liked) and it all timed out perfectly. I got REALLY lucky though as I bought directly from the seller and didn't have to go through a realty company so that shorted some time/haggling as well.

    I'd say 90 days is average once you get the ball rolling though.

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  • kilroydoskilroydos Registered User regular
    Ok, our lease is up at the end of August, and we're set to talk to the bank about preapproval soon. One thing we need to know from them is how long that preapproval will stay valid, or is that something we should ignore, as the actual loan processing won't take place until we find a house we like anyway?

  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    I actually had a very good experience with Wells Fargo too. I'd recommend them.

    I also got in on a sweet deal through a local non-profit that was given government funds, so I got $15k for that, which covered the down payment, and some of the principal.
    https://www.wellsfargo.com/mortgage/lift
    Do that, if you can.

  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    bowen wrote: »
    Takes about 3-6 months on average kilroydos. Have you gotten preapproved?

    @ceres I'm fine with making this a general first time homebuyers thread or I can make another.

    I don't mind, as long as it stays on topic. Might want to change the OP to reflect that.

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  • am0nam0n Registered User regular
    I find Bankrate.com is a good source to get ideas of what to expect in terms of loans. It could also suggest some local banks, smaller, that you might never have thought of. If anything, it should give you some information about what you should be able to expect based on your assumed (or known) credit score and percentage of mortgage taken out.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Come to think of it, I actually asked my real estate agent for three mortgage lenders that didn't have any financial ties with her agency, and I think one of them was the one I picked. You, of course, have to objectively evaluate the terms they offer, but she was able to recommend someone who would be really helpful.

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  • KiplingKipling Registered User regular
    Asking your real estate agents for alternatives is a good idea. I did that for my insurance and some other things just get an idea of where to start. For mortgages, there are still mortgage agents like in the boom years who may be able to get you a better deal. The big advantage to me for the
    credit union was a slightly lower rate and it won't be a giant anonymous corporation if things hit the fan.

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  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    Sefcu is a ny credit union with branches in Syracuse, you could look at them.

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    USAA does FHA loans, you may want to see if you qualify. USAA is a great company.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Kipling wrote: »
    Asking your real estate agents for alternatives is a good idea. I did that for my insurance and some other things just get an idea of where to start. For mortgages, there are still mortgage agents like in the boom years who may be able to get you a better deal. The big advantage to me for the
    credit union was a slightly lower rate and it won't be a giant anonymous corporation if things hit the fan.

    Yeah I don't have an agent yet, most of the ones I talked to don't even want to really talk until I get preapproved.

    This is like a circular redundancy kind of thing I'm feeling.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • antheremantherem Registered User regular
    I've noticed that some local banks are spectacularly uninterested in doing any home loans other than a refi. You might still be able to get a preapproval letter from one so that you can get an agent, you're by no means locked into that lender that early in the process.

  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    We recently got pre-approved. We're waiting on an inheritance check to pay off some credit card debt and use for a down payment, so we're kind of in limbo right now, but we've been using a realtor to get an idea of what's available in our neighborhood and what we can afford.

    One thing I'm curious about, is the pre-approval stuff pretty much what you're going to get for the loan, or is it an estimate of some kind? We got pre-approved for 235k at 3.25% (targeting a 200k house), which would be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure if the final rate could vary.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Pretty much that's what you get, and the preapproval shows your maximum price.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • 3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    edited April 2013
    [quote="bowen;26305211"][quote="Kipling;26301228"]Asking your real estate agents for alternatives is a good idea. I did that for my insurance and some other things just get an idea of where to start. For mortgages, there are still mortgage agents like in the boom years who may be able to get you a better deal. The big advantage to me for the
    credit union was a slightly lower rate and it won't be a giant anonymous corporation if things hit the fan.[/quote]

    Yeah I don't have an agent yet, most of the ones I talked to don't even want to really talk until I get preapproved.

    This is like a circular redundancy kind of thing I'm feeling.[/quote]

    So, I'm having a house built. Prior to that, I was pursuing a loan through a mortgage broker, who'd gotten me pre-approved. I ended up financing though the home builder, but my mortgage broker was a wonderfuly helpful, straight-shootin' guy.

    Mortgage brokers get a bad rep because of the housing bubble a few years ago - so I'm still wary of them, but this one was a friend of the family, and good people. He helped me with eveything - from understanding local and state laws on real estate purchases, and explained every single line item for the total cost of the loan (it took two hours just to do that) - all without me paying a single dime for his time. I also got monthly payments at certain percentage rates, so I knew if I bought a house at X price with Y interest rate, what my monthly payments would be - very helpful for figuring out affordability. If I were to get a loan through him, [i]then[/i] he gets paid, but I never recieved a high pressure push for anything to finance through him.

    If nothing, it could be worth sitting down with a reputable broker, and explain your finances and what you're looking for. They can then walk you through what loan vehicles are ideal, and solicit approval rates through their channels. They might have the best offer, they might not, but they're wired in.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    i have an FHA through Chase. I don't have anything to complain about which i suppose is the best you can hope for. It originally was with another company but got rolled into Chase

    I would try and find a bigger realtor then. the one we went through helped us do everythign, find a loan /preapproval etc.

    my advice is that instead of having a cap of purchase price, figure out how much the monthly will be after taxes etc. we were actually able to afford a house outside our range since the payments worked out. so defintiely look above you price range

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  • ThundyrkatzThundyrkatz Registered User regular
    The Preapproval thing is pretty normal. Without that, you could be wasting everyones time looking at pie in the sky houses. With the preapproval, you will have an idea of how much house you can afford which will let the realtor know where to start looking. Its not binding though. Also, it is usually waaaaaaaay more then you will actually want to spend on a house. You should already have a fairly good idea how much you can afford for a mortgage+Taxes+PMI anyway.

  • Liquid HellzLiquid Hellz Registered User regular
    Find a local independent mortgage broker, they will gather your information and run you through multiple banks and loaners to get you the best rate possible.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    We recently got pre-approved. We're waiting on an inheritance check to pay off some credit card debt and use for a down payment, so we're kind of in limbo right now, but we've been using a realtor to get an idea of what's available in our neighborhood and what we can afford.

    One thing I'm curious about, is the pre-approval stuff pretty much what you're going to get for the loan, or is it an estimate of some kind? We got pre-approved for 235k at 3.25% (targeting a 200k house), which would be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure if the final rate could vary.

    The pre-approval letter shows your real estate agent/broker that someone did some due diligence in finding out if you're credit worthy, but final approval is dependent upon further due diligence being done by whomever is going to underwrite your mortgage. Here's (1, 2) a bit more info on that.

    I bought 8-9 years ago and pre-approval was sufficient for us to make an offer on a house (contingent to passing a home inspection of course). I wasn't "approved" (there was no loan commitment) until the underwriters did additional research verifying I was a good risk and also making sure the house appraises at or above the contract price. Things that don't matter for pre-approval (like recently coming into a pile of money so your bank balance is now $20K over what it normally was over the past couple years) might matter for final approval, and if that's the case or in case family is gifting you the down payment, then you may want to discuss with the mortgage broker or their rep to make sure everyone knows what's going on.

  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    am0n wrote: »
    I find Bankrate.com is a good source to get ideas of what to expect in terms of loans. It could also suggest some local banks, smaller, that you might never have thought of. If anything, it should give you some information about what you should be able to expect based on your assumed (or known) credit score and percentage of mortgage taken out.

    I found my broker through Bankrate.com as well and everything went fine. Beat the Wells Fargo rate I was offered by almost 1% (which is several tens of thousands of dollars over the life of my loan).

    If nothing else, it'll point you to some of the bigger national brokers and local guys you maybe won't find any other way.
    The Preapproval thing is pretty normal. Without that, you could be wasting everyones time looking at pie in the sky houses. With the preapproval, you will have an idea of how much house you can afford which will let the realtor know where to start looking. Its not binding though. Also, it is usually waaaaaaaay more then you will actually want to spend on a house. You should already have a fairly good idea how much you can afford for a mortgage+Taxes+PMI anyway.

    Yeah, my pre-approval came in like 66% higher than what we were looking to spend. Don't use the number they give you - set a budget early on and only adjust if you can't find anything acceptable in your price range.

  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    I find it odd that agents aren't willing to work with you without pre-approval. Do you know anyone locally that bought or sold property lately? A personal recommendation on an agent shouldn't be *too* hard to find. If you were in Rochester I would give you a name, but I think you are not that far West.

    I've never needed pre-approval before having an agent take me seriously, but that might be due to them all being personally recommended. Usually the important thing is figuring out a realistic budget for yourself on what you can afford in a monthly payment. I suppose if you think you have awful credit, or a poor chance of being lent money, maybe you would want a pre-approval first, but really I think if you set yourself a realistic budget based on payment (and taxes, don't forget taxes) per month at 4% (yes that's high, but it will help you narrow down your target) and talk to an agent with this information in hand you should be fine to get started on the process.

    I got my mortgage through a broker, that then sold it to Citimortgage. Citi was fucking awful to deal with, but my rate at the time (through the broker) was very good.

  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    Also, for example, I didn't get my pre-approval until after I settled on a place. I then had the bank work up my pre-approval to be very specific towards that property, so that I didn't show my hand in what I could afford versus what I was offering when I sent the pre-approval with my offer.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Yeah I've got all that stuff done, just looking for a bank to give me preapproval. Already got a few properties, and a friend that is willing to give us one cheap (that needs a little bit of love). (Super cheap, like, $150 a monch cheap)

    Hardest part so far is finding a lender.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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