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Any reason for a new cable modem/router?

LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
edited April 2013 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm using an old b/g wireless router and a Motorola SB5101U. I have Cox High Speed Preferred for Internet, which provides "Power Boost speeds up to 25mb/s." I know that number's BS, of course.

Using about a dozen devices, often 4 or 5 simultaniously, is there any reason to get a 3.0 modem or a new router if everything I'm doing is Internet based(no streaming from PC to TV or anything fancy like that)?

An article on Lifehacker has me thinking about it, and I just don't know enough to answer whether I need better hardware to get the most out of what I'm paying monthly.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Wireless G supports up to 54 Mbit/sec. Well beyond what you'll get from your ISP. Simultaneous devices shouldn't practically affect anything going on there. If you're hardwired, you're getting probably 100 Mbit/sec, which is 4 times the max of your ISP (docsis 2.0 goes up to 48Mbit/sec, but they cap it).

    Honestly, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. You gain nothing by upgrading as far as I'm concerned.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Wireless G supports up to 54 Mbit/sec. Well beyond what you'll get from your ISP. Simultaneous devices shouldn't practically affect anything going on there. If you're hardwired, you're getting probably 100 Mbit/sec, which is 4 times the max of your ISP (docsis 2.0 goes up to 48Mbit/sec, but they cap it).

    Honestly, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. You gain nothing by upgrading as far as I'm concerned.

    Well features are the thing he could gain, however I am more of the camp of "flash the everloving shit out of your router with new firmware".

    But I do agree if it isn't broke don't fix it.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Eh, unless he's going commercial level $1200 routers, probably not going to gain many features that'd be useful in a residential set.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Well a decent N router wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to get. Probably not a huge difference, though.

    No reason to get a new modem until your old one breaks.

  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Eh, unless he's going commercial level $1200 routers, probably not going to gain many features that'd be useful in a residential set.

    When I say "features" I really mean "how much control over those features".

    I like to be able to place caps on connections instead of using QOS so when some dick decides to crash at my place and then download and seed torrents from his laptop it doesn't crash and burn harder than Waterworld.

  • BenditBendit Cømþü†€r Šýš†emš Anålýš† Ðeñv€r¸ ColørådøRegistered User regular
    Yeah, don't upgrade unless...

    This statement is not true:
    Simultaneous devices shouldn't practically affect anything going on there

    Quite the opposite. You are sharing the band with all your devices. If you stream stuff, for example, on all wireless devices, you would benefit from a faster wireless speed (like N, for example).

    For regular surfing, don't upgrade. My 0.02 dolla.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited April 2013
    Well practically, anyways.

    4-8 devices isn't going to impact much. Wireless N improves upon this (MIMO and all that), but rarely utilized by the APs IIRC. Best bet is to always use wired for high bandwidth applications regardless.

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    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Eggplant WizardEggplant Wizard Little Rock, ARRegistered User regular
    Test your speeds, maybe? I have 24 megablarts through Comcast, but testing showed I was only getting 24 with the wired connections. I was only getting like 8 over wifi. So I eventually returned the modem that I was renting through Comcast, ditched my crappy old router, and replaced both with a Motorola combination modem/router. Now I have full speeds wired and wireless and one fewer box on my desk.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    I don't really like the router/modem combos. Odds are the router is going to need to be replaced well before the modem, but then you have to pay for both twice.

  • TelexTelex Registered User regular
    I actually replaced my modem and noticed a big difference (also using Cox). But the old modem was very old and was breaking. Also, the cabling in my neighborhood was also old and that caused lots of problems too.

    Unless you have noticed a performance decrease over the last few weeks/months, I don't think it will make too much of a difference.

  • KharnastusKharnastus Registered User regular
    I bought myself an asus 801.11ac router recently and REALLY like it. Mind you I use it to wirelessly transfer things from computer to computer and sell my internet to my neighbors. Before I had the super cool router the idea never occured to me that I could share pictures and movies over my home wifi. Admitadly you can do this with a wireless n router, but its soooo much cooler with a shiny new asus router with a sexy net GUI. Make sure you have a DOCSIS 3.0 router for the possibility that your ISP might offer 100 mbps or more in the future. I think that residential broadband with speeds higher than that might be normal in like... 2015? Think of it as future proofing your network... Mind you I totally plan on getting a bigger and badder router if there is one.
    Oh and the range on the newer ac routers is redonkulous. I can get a signal 3 floors down from myself in an old brick building.

  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    Realistically though, plonking down two bills for a draft-ac access point is pretty overkill for OP's purposes.

  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    Right now I am browsing while my soon is streaming Netflix, my wife is browsing, and we're streaming MLB.

    I am asking because MLB streaming has gotten a little choppy here and there this season. I wonder if dropping 80 on a modem, or 100 on a router, will help, or if my ISP bottleneck would make those upgrades worthless.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Sounds like an issue at the end of MLB. Everyone else would be getting choppy/slow downs I'd suspect if it was localized.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    MLB is always a mess, it seems, at the begining of the year, but it is also the worst at disguising problems (it craps out where Netflix just downgrades quality).

    It looks like my initial impression, that a fastr router and faster modem won't help without faster internet, is correct. Thanks for the $200 you saved me everyone!

  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2013
    Now that I know your specific problem/application, I can try some better troubleshooting.

    If the device you're trying to steam MLB.tv to is on the wireless, it could make a difference. They say that their highest quality stream is 3mbps, but they also provide a tool to check what you're getting to their servers here: http://mlb.mlb.com/tools/bandwidthdetect/

    The other problem is that wireless networks in general tend to slow down as more devices are on them. I won't get into the boring details of why, but the other activity on your network may be enough to make a high-quality stream like MLB.tv erratic due to dropped or delayed frames.

    What kind of device are you trying to watch MLB.tv on? A number of people seem to have trouble on the Roku version for some reason.

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  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »

    What kind of device are you trying to watch MLB.tv on? A number of people seem to have trouble on the Roku version for some reason.

    That's me, on a wireless Roku LT.

    I certinaly understand that multiple wireless devices working at the same share my Internets, of course. I just don't know if a better router, or a better modem, would do anything like open the pipes a little wider, or even manage the data better, to a point where things would be faster/better without me changing my use.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Wireless N theoretically does, but it would require wireless N devices. If you're using G with N you're still going to hit the bandwidth limitations on the wireless frequency you're using. Theoretically, again, of course. But like I said, 3-4 devices isn't going to really be noticeable drain on that. Realistically you'd start seeing problems around 10+ devices.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2013
    LaPuzza wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »

    What kind of device are you trying to watch MLB.tv on? A number of people seem to have trouble on the Roku version for some reason.

    That's me, on a wireless Roku LT.

    I certinaly understand that multiple wireless devices working at the same share my Internets, of course. I just don't know if a better router, or a better modem, would do anything like open the pipes a little wider, or even manage the data better, to a point where things would be faster/better without me changing my use.

    Like Bowen said, N would theoretically be a bit better, but I think you're running into a software problem on the Roku from what I've read. It works great for some people and not at all for others, but I don't know if it is due to their networks, expectations, or actual bugs.

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