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Zone of the Enders

cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
edited March 2007 in Games and Technology
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I don't know if there was a party or not, but if there was, I sure missed it.

I finally picked up The 2nd Runner after all the good I've heard about the series, even though I skipped the first completely.

The game has an explanation of the first game's story, so I guess I didn't miss much.

I'm up to Inhert now, and getting fairly schooled, but I'm sure I'll be able to take him down eventually.

This reminds me a lot of Metal Gear Solid with mecha warfare. No surprise since the graphics engine and cutscenes look almost exactly alike, aside from the anime.

I wish the opening didn't show so much of the game's forthcoming events, but oh well.

Here's some images so the thread isn't completely devoid of content:
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One of the main things the intro showed off that I knew I would like is being able to take on huge gatherings of enemies at once. Nothing like melee insanity.

I guess the main thing I'd like to know is why the first isn't considered as good as the second. The story looked interesting to me.

And I hate Viola already.
She better stay dead this time.

Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, I definitely have some kind of re-release, since it has the 'dagger' Konami logo instead of the old-school one, and ads for Subsistance and Metal Gear Ac!d 2 on the back.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hell yes, I love ZoE, 1 and 2. The second is much, much better though, if only because the first game takes four hours to play through (no joke). There are some truly awesome set pieces ahead of you. Let's just say: Battleships!

    The first one is decent for the story, despite whiny protagonist, but the second one has so much more meat to it, both gameplay and story-wise. If you can though, I'd say pick the first game up for cheaps, shouldn't be too hard.

    Also the games have a couple of great songs in them. I like the main theme of the second game (Beyond the Bounds) and the ending theme (Trusting Peace), and the first game has a gem called 'A Light with the name of Hope', I believe. Most of the gameplay music isn't really my cup of tea outside of its context though.

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think I was one of the few people who liked Fist of Mars for the GBA.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The opening and the song are awesome, but I try not to watch it too many times, because it seems like spoiler city for everything that's about to happen.

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I recall hearing a rumor that a 3rd game was PS3 bound. But since I haven't heard anything since, I guess it was just a rumor.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yeah it does have some pretty late-game stuff in there.

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  • thorpethorpe Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Both of these are games that I really, really wanted, but was never able to buy, since I don't own any of the playstations.

    The fact that any third game would probably only come out on the PS3 makes me even more sad.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Man PS2's are so cheap nowadays. Buy one.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Urrgggg ZoE2 is such a fantastic fucking game but Gamestop has gotten wise to the fact it's worth a decent chunk of change and is selling used copies for like 45 bucks. Managed to pick up the first one for 9 dollars, but not the second.

    Such a great pair of games. It's pretty awesome that a third one is being made, despite being a (at least for now) PS3 exclusive.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    It's $29.99 'used' now, which is why I got it.

    But I bet it was rereleased, and they're selling it as used, because it's brand new.

    I've seen four copies of it in this area alone.

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Noray wrote: »
    Hell yes, I love ZoE, 1 and 2. The second is much, much better though, if only because the first game takes four hours to play through (no joke). There are some truly awesome set pieces ahead of you. Let's just say: Battleships!
    Yeah, but the second only takes like 6. I mean I love it and all, and it's easily replayable, but let'ss not pretend it's some epic thing

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    kind of have to post here since I'm a whore for ZOE.

    Reason why people see ZOE2 as "better" then ZOE1 is basically progression.

    In ZOE1, your a pacifist teenager using a mech who's A.I. hasn't even been formatted for battle yet. You have to essentially teach it how to fight. So, fighting's more slow paced and deliberate, and even the simpilist of units gives you a decent challenge, until they both get fairly used to one another, and that only happens late in the game against Viola. Which means Jehuty finally achieves legitamite orbital frame status. Before, you had trouble fighting fucking LEVS.

    And then Anubis comes in and ruins your shit.

    ZOE2, you go from Orbital Frame to mechanized god of destruction. Jehuty was ment to be equal to Anubis, who already is a fucking beast. You start off as an orbital frame level mech with a more aggresive pilot(Dingo, who actually puts a scratch on Anubis, compared to RUNNING THE FUCK AWAY kid, even though it's essentialy the same Orbital frame) to OH MY GOD I JUST TOOK OUT AN ENTIRE ARMADA BY MYSELF.

    The levels of kickassery in 2 FAR superceed what happens in 1, which is why people like it more. However, if you play both, you get a complete sense of acomplishment seeing A.D.A develop through both games.

    I didn't play One, because dammit, I needed badass mode right the fuck now.

    Seriously, ZOE2 is the best Super Robot game EVER. PERIOD. There is no discussion, it just is.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The second was plenty lengthy for a game of its type. Easily twice the length of the first. The awesome set pieces just made time fly by that much faster :D

    Also, I played the first game on medium and kicked its ass. Then when I got ZoE2 I started on medium and that time it was I whose ass got kicked. It's a lot tougher. Second time through I was a lot better at it though. The game really rewards skill.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    It's $29.99 'used' now, which is why I got it.

    But I bet it was rereleased, and they're selling it as used, because it's brand new.

    I've seen four copies of it in this area alone.
    See, it lowers in price after I put a strict "no more games till Bioshock" restraint on myself. Figures.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    kind of have to post here since I'm a whore for ZOE.

    Reason why people see ZOE2 as "better" then ZOE1 is basically progression.

    In ZOE1, your a pacifist teenager using a mech who's A.I. hasn't even been formatted for battle yet. You have to essentially teach it how to fight. So, fighting's more slow paced and deliberate, and even the simpilist of units gives you a decent challenge, until they both get fairly used to one another, and that only happens late in the game against Viola. Which means Jehuty finally achieves legitamite orbital frame status. Before, you had trouble fighting fucking LEVS.

    And then Anubis comes in and ruins your shit.

    ZOE2, you go from Orbital Frame to mechanized god of destruction. Jehuty was ment to be equal to Anubis, who already is a fucking beast. You start off as an orbital frame level mech with a more aggresive pilot(Dingo, who actually puts a scratch on Anubis, compared to RUNNING THE FUCK AWAY kid, even though it's essentialy the same Orbital frame) to OH MY GOD I JUST TOOK OUT AN ENTIRE ARMADA BY MYSELF.

    The levels of kickassery in 2 FAR superceed what happens in 1, which is why people like it more. However, if you play both, you get a complete sense of acomplishment seeing A.D.A develop through both games.

    I didn't play One, because dammit, I needed badass mode right the fuck now.

    Seriously, ZOE2 is the best Super Robot game EVER. PERIOD. There is no discussion, it just is.
    wait, wait wait.

    First, you tell us all why 2 is better than 1. Then you say you haven't even fucking played it?

    The reason why part 2 is better is because it is larger in scope, has much more varied levels and set pieces and is longer.

    Also the fact that ZoE1 is much, much easier than the first game by any standards renders your point moot. When you start ZoE2, your abilities are just as basic as at the start of 1.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    ZoE2 is also better because that annoying little kid with the terrible voice acting is gone.

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    ZoE2 is also better because that annoying little kid with the terrible voice acting is gone.

    And he comes back as a badass with the mother fucking Vic Viper

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Noray wrote: »
    kind of have to post here since I'm a whore for ZOE.

    Reason why people see ZOE2 as "better" then ZOE1 is basically progression.

    In ZOE1, your a pacifist teenager using a mech who's A.I. hasn't even been formatted for battle yet. You have to essentially teach it how to fight. So, fighting's more slow paced and deliberate, and even the simpilist of units gives you a decent challenge, until they both get fairly used to one another, and that only happens late in the game against Viola. Which means Jehuty finally achieves legitamite orbital frame status. Before, you had trouble fighting fucking LEVS.

    And then Anubis comes in and ruins your shit.

    ZOE2, you go from Orbital Frame to mechanized god of destruction. Jehuty was ment to be equal to Anubis, who already is a fucking beast. You start off as an orbital frame level mech with a more aggresive pilot(Dingo, who actually puts a scratch on Anubis, compared to RUNNING THE FUCK AWAY kid, even though it's essentialy the same Orbital frame) to OH MY GOD I JUST TOOK OUT AN ENTIRE ARMADA BY MYSELF.

    The levels of kickassery in 2 FAR superceed what happens in 1, which is why people like it more. However, if you play both, you get a complete sense of acomplishment seeing A.D.A develop through both games.

    I didn't play One, because dammit, I needed badass mode right the fuck now.

    Seriously, ZOE2 is the best Super Robot game EVER. PERIOD. There is no discussion, it just is.
    wait, wait wait.

    First, you tell us all why 2 is better than 1. Then you say you haven't even fucking played it?

    The reason why part 2 is better is because it is larger in scope, has much more varied levels and set pieces and is longer.

    Also the fact that ZoE1 is much, much easier than the first game by any standards renders your point moot. When you start ZoE2, your abilities are just as basic as at the start of 1.


    Sorry, I was just giving the impression that other's had in the last ZOE1 thread.

    And by the way, the "harder" stadpoint wasn't a gameplay point, it was a storywise point.

    Hell, you fight LEV's in 1 correct?

    In 2 you so much as BREATH on them and they die.

    Edit:
    GIVE ME BACK JEHUTY!!

    Oh shit.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    ZoE2 is also better because that annoying little kid with the terrible voice acting is gone.

    And he comes back as a badass with the mother fucking Vic Viper
    Yeah, can't really argue that. But he's still an annoying little kid in the first game.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    ZoE2 is also better because that annoying little kid with the terrible voice acting is gone.

    And he comes back as a badass with the mother fucking Vic Viper

    I realized exactly what mech I was up against when it broke out the Options.

    It was awesome.

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    ZoE2 is also better because that annoying little kid with the terrible voice acting is gone.

    And he comes back as a badass with the mother fucking Vic Viper
    Yeah, can't really argue that. But he's still an annoying little kid in the first game.

    Indeed. ZoE 2 is a fine example of a sequel fixing the problems if the first game

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  • JensenJensen Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    God I love these games. I was glad that the 2nd pretty much resolved any issue I had with the first (and really, there wasn't much to complain about) the only real problem I had with ZoE was that I beat it so fast... I was sitting there when it ended going "What? No! There's more! There must be more!" but there was only that silly fighting game :(

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Kojima better make next-gen Zone of Enders 3, and I believe he hinted at it recently. I need me some new ZoE.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Pretty sure ZoE3 for PS3 was confirmed a while back now.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    Pretty sure ZoE3 for PS3 was confirmed a while back now.

    I'm not sure. I looked for information and confirmation and really found nothing. I only found a hint at it in an interview with Kojima. When asked if he was planning on making a third, he smiled and laughed, said his focus was on MGS4 at the moment, but then after that it was entirely possible. We, the fans, definitely want it!

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  • JensenJensen Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Dashui wrote: »
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    Pretty sure ZoE3 for PS3 was confirmed a while back now.

    I'm not sure. I looked for information and confirmation and really found nothing. I only found a hint at it in an interview with Kojima. When asked if he was planning on making a third, he smiled and laughed, said his focus was on MGS4 at the moment, but then after that it was entirely possible. We, the fans, definitely want it!

    He better make it... or else...um... I'll be upset? :(

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Jensen wrote: »
    Dashui wrote: »
    Zilla84 wrote: »
    Pretty sure ZoE3 for PS3 was confirmed a while back now.

    I'm not sure. I looked for information and confirmation and really found nothing. I only found a hint at it in an interview with Kojima. When asked if he was planning on making a third, he smiled and laughed, said his focus was on MGS4 at the moment, but then after that it was entirely possible. We, the fans, definitely want it!

    He better make it... or else...um... I'll be upset? :(

    Not to turn this into a PS3 thread, but would you buy the system for that game if announced/released? I'm weak, and if I didn't already have one, I'd probably break by then. :P

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, once MGS4 is done, that's it for that series, so what else could he possibly have in the way?

    A new Snatcher?
    (Yeah, right)

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  • Red or AliveRed or Alive Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Well, once MGS4 is done, that's it for that series, so what else could he possibly have in the way?

    A new Snatcher?
    (Yeah, right)

    An English translation of Policenauts would be nice.

    Maybe as a PSP game?

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I would have ZOE2 by now if it wasn;t rare here.
    Sooner or later...

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'd really have no choice but to buy a PS3 if ZoE3 were exclusive to it.

    Stupid Kojima and his stupid awesome games.

    Good god, I wish every game had as many moments of "holy shit, that was awesome" as ZoE2 did.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Well, once MGS4 is done, that's it for that series, so what else could he possibly have in the way?

    A new Snatcher?
    (Yeah, right)

    Unless he starts a new Metal Gear series, and it's focused on a new character (new bad-ass Raiden?). Although, perhaps not, as he did say he's growing tried of the series.

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    My friend had ZoE2 and had trouble beating one of the later levels. He does this alot: he'll get a game, play it nonstop for several hours, then get to a point where he is stuck. He'll call me up and say "dude, you gotta come check out this game, its rad." I'll go over there and he'll show me how to play, I get the hang of it pretty quickly, then beat that section for him. (he only calls for help when he has been stuck for more than an hour) So he did this with ZoE2 and I fell in love with the game. I bought it, brought it home, then got stuck on one of the first missions, where you have to escort that guy out. I haven't played it since. I feel really lame.

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    i've wanted this for so long but never been able to find it used anywhere but ebay..where its like, 55$ canadian shipped. =/

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    i've wanted this for so long but never been able to find it used anywhere but ebay..where its like, 55$ canadian shipped. =/

    You have my problems.
    And my sympathy.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    My friend had ZoE2 and had trouble beating one of the later levels. He does this alot: he'll get a game, play it nonstop for several hours, then get to a point where he is stuck. He'll call me up and say "dude, you gotta come check out this game, its rad." I'll go over there and he'll show me how to play, I get the hang of it pretty quickly, then beat that section for him. (he only calls for help when he has been stuck for more than an hour) So he did this with ZoE2 and I fell in love with the game. I bought it, brought it home, then got stuck on one of the first missions, where you have to escort that guy out. I haven't played it since. I feel really lame.

    I don't recall that mission, but I remember I'd always get stuck somewhere in the middle, when there's a major fight where a certain degree of precision is required, and it's almost impossible to do if you're replaying with the retardedly powerful "naked" Jehuty.

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  • SilpheedSilpheed Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I got this game a year ago and I haven't gotten past the part where you need to defeat Ken's possesed frame. I simply couldn't get the sword timing down completly in order to grab hold of her.

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  • KuraudoKuraudo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    ZoE was such a disappointment for me. It was just starting to get good when it ended halfway through the story.

    The second one delivered on every level though. Definitely one of my top five PS2 games.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    It can't be said enough: ZOE2 is far, far superior to the original game in every aspect. It's longer, the battles are more intense, the story is better, the music is better, the enemies are more diverse, the missions are more fun, the cutscenes are better, and the tits are bigger (to quote Animerica's theory on Ken's ridiculous proportions: "It's the future.").

    The only thing that wasn't better was the localization: the voices themselves were fine, but the translation smacked of engrish godawfulry ("You have your duty to do." "You should stay home and do your homework at home.").

    Regardless, this is THE definitive giant robot game of the last generation. The battle against Zakat remains one of my favorite boss battles of all time; a setting above the clouds, a beginning and ending anime cutscene were both sides yell at each other, and a rocking techno song.

    ZOE 3 remains my second most desired PS3 game after an FFVII Remake (and Silent Hill 5 remains third most desired).

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The only thing that wasn't better was the localization: the voices themselves were fine, but the translation smacked of engrish godawfulry ("You have your duty to do." "You should stay home and do your homework at home.")..

    I think it was making a lot of tongue in cheek jokes at giant robot anime where people just can't come up with witty lines on the fly.

    For example. In the part
    where you have to save the residential area and stop the LEVs and machines from destroying it, if too many people die, the chief of the LEVs calls Dingo out on the mess he made after Dingo tries to yell at him, and Dingo responds with the extent of "Err..well..My finger slipped!"

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Well, once MGS4 is done, that's it for that series, so what else could he possibly have in the way?

    A new Snatcher?
    (Yeah, right)
    Uhhhh....... well actually...

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