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Getting rid of a car I owe money on.

LankyseanLankysean Registered User regular
edited June 2013 in Help / Advice Forum
So I have a car that I want to get rid of but I own money on it. If you care to read the details they are in the spoiler section. Am I limited to trading it in at a dealership for the car I want? Can you just sell a car to the dealership and pay off the remainder of the loan so I can go buy the car I want privately? If I do trade the car in for the new one the difference can just be rolled from one loan to the new loan right? Does that mess with the new interest rate or anything? Any advice would be awesome, thanks as always PAH/A.
My car's book value is between $20,000 and $23,000 depending on if you are looking at KBB, NADA, trade in, or private party. I own roughly $24,500 on it. I want to get rid of it for a bunch of reasons; it's expensive (almost $500 a month, 4.9%apr, gets shit mileage, expensive insurance, etc.) and it's unreliable (has electronic issues, stalls out occasionally, engine revs slightly for no reason in lower gears) and frankly it's just not "my type of car" which sounds silly but I really hate driving it and never should have gotten it in the first place. I'm looking at a 2009-2011 Nissan that can cost between $10,000 and $15,000 depending on year, mileage (under 40k), options installed and if I'm buying it private party or from a dealer.

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  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    When I sold my car through the dealer I bought it from, they handled everything, and I just got the balance.

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  • darqnessdarqness KCMORegistered User regular
    Our last car we sold we owed a balance on through the local credit union. I sold it through Craigslist and we met at the buyer's bank (USBank). We filled out some paperwork with their loan officer and USBank FedEx'd a check to our bank for the sale price. Our bank then paid off our loan and gave us the balance. Undoubtedly you'll get thousands more for your car than if you were to trade it into the dealer. We got about $4k more than what we were offered on trade in.

  • LankyseanLankysean Registered User regular
    Not sure if this came across in the original post but I owe more money than the car is worth. The car is worth $20,000-$23,000 but I owe $24,500. I don't know if I can sell it privately since the bank I have the loan through has the title for the car.

  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    You can sell the car for $20,000 , you're just going to have to pay the bank $4,500 at the time of the sale.

  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited June 2013
    The bank has a lien on the title of your car, which basically means they own the car until the debt is paid. You can sell the car for whatever value you want, but before the you can get the title to sign it over to the buyer, making it their car, you need to pay the bank in full.

    If you do the trade-in route at a dealership, they will essentially just have you do extra financing to pay for the difference between the value of the car and the amount owed on the car

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited June 2013
    I have done this several times (trade in negative equity cars)

    1) This is much easier if you do it at a dealership. Unless you know your stuff. It doesn't seem like you do.

    2) You will probably not get book value unless you take it to a dealership of the same make.

    3) You can roll negative equity into another car. It is possible, but there are limits. Fortunately it sounds like you've only got about 3-5 grand worth of negative equity. The problem is the cheaper car you try to get, the less you can roll into it. You can't get a 10 grand loan on a 5 grand car, you dig? Or a 25 grand loan on a 17k car, if it helps to paint the picture. Well you can, but you need impressive credit to do it.

    4) Negative equity = higher interest rates. You've already got a decent rate anyway, if your credit has gotten better then maybe it will stay even or even go down. Frankly, every time I've traded in a car, regardless of how underwater I was, my interest rate went down. Usually with banks it's all about the value of the loan versus the value of a car. You can walk into a dealership with a 750 credit rating. If you try to buy a Fiesta with a 20k loan, 90% of banks will turn you down flat. And then one bank will jump on it and give you a 5% rate.


    TL;DR: it is possible, very possible, but you will pay a price unless your credit is good/excellent, and there is a FLOOR on how cheap a car you can jump into. You need to buy enough car to absorb the blow of your trade.

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    I know this is not exactly on topic, but if you've got a car with under 40k miles, and you are having engine problems, can you do a warranty repair?

  • LankyseanLankysean Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    TL;DR: it is possible, very possible, but you will pay a price unless your credit is good/excellent, and there is a FLOOR on how cheap a car you can jump into. You need to buy enough car to absorb the blow of your trade.

    I have a 800+ credit score so I'm not so worried about that. Is there a way I can figure out what my floor would be without going to the dealership? If I can keep the price of the new car under $15,000 out the door I should be cutting my monthly payments by $125~$175 which would be nice.

    Zepherin: I've brought it to the dealership any number of times, which costs me $125 deductible each time. Generally I bring it back and they fix one problem but start another. Last time the car wouldn't start they repaired it, which took almost a month, and when I asked them what happened they responded with "we don't know, we replace a bunch of parts and now it works"... brilliant. I plan on bringing it in again this weekend so it can be in the best possible shape before I trade it in. Honestly at this point even if they fixed the car 100% I wouldn't want it. I just don't trust it and it's costing me too much money.

  • ThundyrkatzThundyrkatz Registered User regular
    Have you looked into Lemon Laws in your state?

  • saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    Talk to your bank. Sometimes they'll let you do what darqness described even if you owe more than it's worth. Of course it will be more difficult to sell this way because a buyer will not want to deal with that bullshit. Also, you will need to come up with the difference between the selling price and what you owe in cash to pay your bank.

    Obviously trading it in at a dealership is much easier.

    What I would do, depending on your income situation, is to pay off as much as possible on this current car to the point that you have positive equity so when you trade it in you're only making payments on the new car instead of the new car plus a nonexistent car.

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  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    Easiest solution - trade in, roll up the negative equity (making sure you can make additional/extra payments on the new loan), pay it down ASAP, refinance the car loan once the balance is no longer dumb.

    Best financial solution - talk to your bank, get a personal loan for the shortfall lined up if neccessary, and sell the car yourself. Get a great rate on the new car loan and a less great rate on the personal loan if you can't cut a check for the balance. Pay the personal loan back asap if you get one.

    As for selling your car, if you want easy there Carmax is where its at.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    It seems like you can spare yourself a big headache and extra financing costs on your new car if you can old car paid down to the point that you can at least break even on the sale, which you seem close to doing.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Lankysean wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    TL;DR: it is possible, very possible, but you will pay a price unless your credit is good/excellent, and there is a FLOOR on how cheap a car you can jump into. You need to buy enough car to absorb the blow of your trade.

    I have a 800+ credit score so I'm not so worried about that. Is there a way I can figure out what my floor would be without going to the dealership? If I can keep the price of the new car under $15,000 out the door I should be cutting my monthly payments by $125~$175 which would be nice.

    Zepherin: I've brought it to the dealership any number of times, which costs me $125 deductible each time. Generally I bring it back and they fix one problem but start another. Last time the car wouldn't start they repaired it, which took almost a month, and when I asked them what happened they responded with "we don't know, we replace a bunch of parts and now it works"... brilliant. I plan on bringing it in again this weekend so it can be in the best possible shape before I trade it in. Honestly at this point even if they fixed the car 100% I wouldn't want it. I just don't trust it and it's costing me too much money.

    with an 800 score, -5k equity, and a 15k target vehicle, I'd say you have a very strong chance of being financed

    even stronger if you can take about 1-2k of that repair money and put it as a down payment instead

    Ask the finance guy if they work with Alphera (BMW auto financing). they did my last loan with a similar interest rate to what you are already paying, and I'm only in the mid-700's

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  • LankyseanLankysean Registered User regular
    So I think the best thing I can do is try and trade it in, it's going to save me a lot of time that I can't afford to spend trying to sell my car on my own. I could spend some cash to bring the balance down but I just got married a month ago and my funds are a little on the low end so I don't really want to be spending cash if I don't have to.

    Thanks for all the help!

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