Devil MAy Cry 3 SE: Is there a way to not suck?

Snake Gandhi

I picked up DMC 3 SE a little while ago, as i heard it rocked, it was cheap, and I just finished GoW.

Anyway, I started it up, and proceeded to get my ass kicked. I managed to beat the little intro, but once I get out on to the street I get beaten down. I've finally manged to beat all the mooks, but then some Death-lookalike with a giant health bar shows up and destroys me.

I'd heard this game was cool, not that it was so damn hard. What exactly am I missing? Anyone help me out with some tips?

Gyral

You heard wrong. It IS damn hard. Cool game but it certainly left the kid gloves at home when it came to work.

HappylilElf

If you didn't hear it was hard you weren't listening hard enough :P

Seriously though it's pretty much just a case of practicing. Leveling your character helps a ton as well since the various styles can really save your ass. If it's your first DMC game it's going to be painful but once you get decent/good it's a blast.

Marty81

Dodge first, attack later is the mantra of the game.

I recommend trickster to beginners.

The Death-lookalike guy always hands newbies their asses. It's nothing to be ashamed of. You'll need to learn his attacks so that you can dodge at least a couple of them if you want to survive. He has two teleportation attacks - one horizontal (which you can jump over) and one vertical (which you can run away or dash away from). There are many more ways to dodge than that, but those are the easiest to understand.

Also, you're invincible while rolling and, when jumping, from the ground to the top of your first jump. Start taking advantage of these.

Also, make sure you're on GOLD mode, not YELLOW.

Snake Gandhi

HappylilElf wrote: »

If it's your first DMC game it's going to be painful but once you get decent/good it's a blast.

It's not really my first though. I rented the first DMC back when it came out and liked it well enough, and I don't remember having anywhere near this much trouble.

Magic Pink

Yeah, great game but there are few games I suck more at then DMC3.

DMC1 for example.

yalborap

Snake Gandhi wrote: »

HappylilElf wrote: »

If it's your first DMC game it's going to be painful but once you get decent/good it's a blast.

It's not really my first though. I rented the first DMC back when it came out and liked it well enough, and I don't remember having anywhere near this much trouble.

Did you get to the first boss in DMC1?

Snake Gandhi

yalborap wrote: »

Snake Gandhi wrote: »

HappylilElf wrote: »

If it's your first DMC game it's going to be painful but once you get decent/good it's a blast.

It's not really my first though. I rented the first DMC back when it came out and liked it well enough, and I don't remember having anywhere near this much trouble.

Did you get to the first boss in DMC1?

I beat a couple bosses before I took it back to the rental place. It was always one of those games I was gonna buy and finish 'eventually'.

Zek

The first level of DMC3 is totally unfair to newbies. Sort of like the first level of Ninja Gaiden. There is no prolonged tutorial section - you learn the basics of the game by constantly dying and repeating the first level, and by the time you've finished it you'll more or less have them down and the rest of the game is a little more reasonable.

Lunker

This is why I haven't gotten through DMC3 yet -- every time I come back to it, there's a practice time I have to take to get back into the rhythm of the game.

As a newcomer to DMC, I second Marty's suggestion to stick with Trickster style -- once you power it up a bit and you get the double-dash power, it becomes much easier to dart around and avoid attacks. Once you've stuck with that and you've learned enemy's patterns and tells for attacks, you can start experimenting with other styles.

bongi

the only way to not suck at this game is have a massive penis

or play the first level a shitton too and pick up a feel for the game, i guess

Blakout

Yeah, the reaper guy raped me a few times at the beginning, it's really brutal if you've never played the game (and even worse if you're used to an Xbox controller). There's not really a lot of advice I can give other than to just practice.

Noray

You guys are all pussies. It's not that hard, if you're used to playing action games, that is. If all you've done is play God of War on Normal though, then yeah, you're in for a rougher ride. But once it clicks, you'll be slashing guys up in the air, jumping after them and slashing with your swords before switching to the Beowulf and pounding the shit out of your guy. And shotgunning in the face. Stick with it. Live (or die) and learn, adapt. It's a great game.

SageinaRage

The second level, in the alley, also sucks because of the camera - it's in an extremely wonky position, which gives the advantage to the attackers. If you move near the edge of the stage, then probably over half the enemies are BEHIND the camera. That, along with the difficulty, put me off the game for a while, even though I later got past it. I may pick it back up again once I finish God of War.

Magic Pink

bongi wrote: »

the only way to not suck at this game is have a massive penis

Didn't help me HO HO HO

Elendil

Man, this thread is comforting. I didn't bomb out until Cerberus, at which point I think I switched to Ultimate Fucking Pussy Mode.

Antishow

Marty81 wrote: »

Dodge first, attack later is the mantra of the game.

I recommend trickster to beginners.

Keep your eye on the bad guys, not Danté. Quickly Dodge and Counterattack is pretty much the strategy for every monster in the game.

Karl

Snake Gandhi wrote: »

I picked up DMC 3 SE a little while ago, as i heard it rocked, it was cheap, and I just finished GoW.

Anyway, I started it up, and proceeded to get my ass kicked. I managed to beat the little intro, but once I get out on to the street I get beaten down. I've finally manged to beat all the mooks, but then some Death-lookalike with a giant health bar shows up and destroys me.

I'd heard this game was cool, not that it was so damn hard. What exactly am I missing? Anyone help me out with some tips?

Don't worry, i got owned by the grim reaper look-a-like too. Just keep at it, you'll get better and rape him with rebellion.


If you think this is hard, wait till you fight the REAL bosses. You'll take them out too, but the first couple of times they will wipe the floor with you. Tough love i guess.

Darlan

I beat the first DMC, found Ninja Gaiden to be really pretty easy, but goddamn DMC3 is HARD. I also didint' get the special edition, so no saving until the level is beat and no continues at all for me. I have a love/hate relationship with the game...great, fantastic combat, horrible level/save design. Worth getting, though.

chubs

Man, I didn't have much trouble at all with DMC3 on normal, and I'm typically horrible at video games.

Adrien

Marty81 wrote: »

Dodge first, attack later is the mantra of the game.

I recommend trickster to beginners.

The Death-lookalike guy always hands newbies their asses. It's nothing to be ashamed of. You'll need to learn his attacks so that you can dodge at least a couple of them if you want to survive. He has two teleportation attacks - one horizontal (which you can jump over) and one vertical (which you can run away or dash away from). There are many more ways to dodge than that, but those are the easiest to understand.

Also, you're invincible while rolling and, when jumping, from the ground to the top of your first jump. Start taking advantage of these.

Also, make sure you're on GOLD mode, not YELLOW.

This man speaks wisdom.

I've just picked it up myself, and I can back up everything said so far. Stick with trickster. Don't worry about combos or style points for now; I didn't even touch the lock-on button for several missions. Just focus on getting the hang of dashing and jumping out of harm's way, and beating on them when you're good and ready. Your guns won't do a lot of damage, but mashing them in midair is a great way to slow the combat down a bit.

Just use the same basic strategy on the boss man. Whack on him when you get the chance, then when he starts blocking or attacking dash out of the way and bounce around till you feel up to it again. It'll take a couple tries to get the rhythm down, but he's really just a big ol' softie.*

*This is, incidentally, also the strategy for just about every boss in the game. The more you know!

Arde

I find royal guard's just frame with jump becoming one of my favorite style.

Szechuan

So what exactly was changed in the Special Edition of DMC3? I got the box set and am currently plugging my way through DMC1, and have never played anything else in the series before.

yalborap

Szechuan wrote: »

So what exactly was changed in the Special Edition of DMC3? I got the box set and am currently plugging my way through DMC1, and have never played anything else in the series before.

Difficulty is rebalanced(normal is the old easy, hard is the old normal, very hard is the old hard, I think DMD is the same), you have a new orb choice that lets you continue from a checkpoint instead of from the beginning of the stage, and Vergil is playable. Also the Blood Palace, an area with 9999 rooms and you can go forward 1, 10, or 100 rooms at a time.

Couscous

My problem is that the enemies are really easy but the bosses are hard. Because of this, I have to replay a lot of the levels to get back to the boss.

I had the same problem with the first DMC.

Xagarath

My only problem with DMC3 (I've never been enar the special edition) os the cheapness of Cerberus.
I'm about halfway through on hard having cleared it on normal long ago, if I remember right.

bongi

Magic Pink wrote: »

bongi wrote: »

the only way to not suck at this game is have a massive penis

Didn't help me HO HO HO

pics or it didn't happen

also, my other advice was probably more sound

Marty81

Forgot to mention, you're also invincible during the FIRST trickster dash (you can eventually chain 3 dashes at a time together) and during the level 2 trickster move.

VaLiantine

I still haven't beat Vergil at the end.

Hooraydiation

What's the difference between Gold and Yellow mode?

Ledneh

If you're a patient sort I'm going to recommend something people don't usually recommend and tell you to start right off with Royal Guard.

I say patient because to use Royal Guard to full effectiveness you essentially have to learn the attack timing of every monster in the game. You're not gonna do that by being a pussy and dodging about them, you're going to do that by standing and blocking the blows... or getting creamed by them.

Once you learn to block the blows though, the benefits are obvious as hell. You're completely mitigating damage in a way that helps you turn it all back around on the enemy; a fully-charged, well-timed Royal Guard attack on that first boss will instakill him, if I remember correctly.

DeMoN

gold lets you continue when you die, in yellow, you continue only if you have yellow orbs which can be found or purchased.

Kiwistrike

Ledneh wrote: »

If you're a patient sort I'm going to recommend something people don't usually recommend and tell you to start right off with Royal Guard.

I say patient because to use Royal Guard to full effectiveness you essentially have to learn the attack timing of every monster in the game. You're not gonna do that by being a pussy and dodging about them, you're going to do that by standing and blocking the blows... or getting creamed by them.

Once you learn to block the blows though, the benefits are obvious as hell. You're completely mitigating damage in a way that helps you turn it all back around on the enemy; a fully-charged, well-timed Royal Guard attack on that first boss will instakill him, if I remember correctly.

Wait do by "first boss" do you mean the reaper or Cerberus?

because if its the latter then daaannggggg!

I just picked this up last friday, and after playing quite a bit I just got to the second to last boss (I think). I've managed to completely level up trickster and royal guard, but im atrocious at blocking! Still only have 3 devil trigger gauge units, though. How do you get more?

And man, I dont complain too much about difficulty in action games, but the second fight against vergil was RIDICULOUS. I dont even want to know how hard the last one is.

DeMoN

If I remember correctly, it one hit kills the reaper and takes a decent chunk out of Cerberus.

Smacky The Frog

I've been looking for this game as I've never played it.

I didn't have much of a problem beating Ninja Gaiden on normal. How does the difficulty compare to that game?

Ledneh

Kiwistrike wrote: »

Ledneh wrote: »

If you're a patient sort I'm going to recommend something people don't usually recommend and tell you to start right off with Royal Guard.

I say patient because to use Royal Guard to full effectiveness you essentially have to learn the attack timing of every monster in the game. You're not gonna do that by being a pussy and dodging about them, you're going to do that by standing and blocking the blows... or getting creamed by them.

Once you learn to block the blows though, the benefits are obvious as hell. You're completely mitigating damage in a way that helps you turn it all back around on the enemy; a fully-charged, well-timed Royal Guard attack on that first boss will instakill him, if I remember correctly.

Wait do by "first boss" do you mean the reaper or Cerberus?

because if its the latter then daaannggggg!

I just picked this up last friday, and after playing quite a bit I just got to the second to last boss (I think). I've managed to completely level up trickster and royal guard, but im atrocious at blocking! Still only have 3 devil trigger gauge units, though. How do you get more?

And man, I dont complain too much about difficulty in action games, but the second fight against vergil was RIDICULOUS. I dont even want to know how hard the last one is.

Definitely the former. Far as I'm concerned if it has a lifebar it's a boss :P

AJR

I suck at videogames in general, and I finished this on normal (Special Edition, but still...). I'm not even that good at dodging attacks, I just ended up using Trickster a lot to dash out of the way.

The final boss was a bitch though. I used every cheap trick possible to win.

Radikal_Dreamer

After beating God of War a little bit ago and wanting something cheap to keep the action thrill up I got this game used for 15 bucks. It's pretty much kicking my butt, as I'm not much of an action gamer, but it's still quite fun. I might just play the first few stages a few times before I really go further, just to get the hang of it.

Kewop Decam

Xagarath wrote: »

My only problem with DMC3 (I've never been enar the special edition) os the cheapness of Cerberus.
I'm about halfway through on hard having cleared it on normal long ago, if I remember right.

Cerberus is a joke on all difficulties. Are you using Ebony and Ivory? Use them. Also, never run up to him, unless he lunges. There is no other real reason to run up to him.


Now, Angi and Rudra... those guys are hard until you know what's going on. Then even when you know, they're still hard.

Smacky The Frog wrote: »

I've been looking for this game as I've never played it.

I didn't have much of a problem beating Ninja Gaiden on normal. How does the difficulty compare to that game?

DMC is only hard when fighting bosses. Regular enemy encounters are easy to deal with once you understand that is an enemy is off camera... he will not attack you. There's like only 2 enemies that don't follow this rule and those enemies aren't hard to deal with anyway.

kriegs

Kewop Decam wrote: »

Xagarath wrote: »

My only problem with DMC3 (I've never been enar the special edition) os the cheapness of Cerberus.
I'm about halfway through on hard having cleared it on normal long ago, if I remember right.

Cerberus is a joke on all difficulties. Are you using Ebony and Ivory? Use them. Also, never run up to him, unless he lunges. There is no other real reason to run up to him.

It must take you forever to kill him with just E&I. I just use them to smack the ice armor off his heads and legs then go to town with my sword. If you hit his legs and do enough damage, he eventually falls down for a couple seconds, giving you quality free-time with his 3 heads. If you're using Swordmaster, it's even easier since you can use Rebellion's style button in air and do a 3 hit floating combo that you can repeat and does a good amount of damage.

Kewop Decam wrote:

Now, Angi and Rudra... those guys are hard until you know what's going on. Then even when you know, they're still hard.

Gonna have to agree with you on that one, but I chalk it up to the absolutely WORST camera angles in the entire game. There is no other place that drives me as mad as that room.

Phoenix Smasher

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