I appreciate that a lot of work went into this, but I can't say that I had any fun; I lost my power on night 1 and did nothing the rest of the game.
Anything that forces the village to waste votes and other resources (such as killing the same person multiple times) is probably best left out of the game.
Eh; your being a miller did get you confirmed by me; I just wasn't able to coordinate up because of the power-switching. I think the power switching is a pretty interesting idea.
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Also, I confess that I don't quite see how you can say that the game that ended with a flawless mafia victory was "very close" and keep a straight face :P
Oh and now I see what GG was talking about. In a game where (it seemed) pretty hard to confirm people, shackling the village Vig like that was pretty rough.
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Also, I confess that I don't quite see how you can say that the game that ended with a flawless mafia victory was "very close" and keep a straight face :P
I think all Saber meant was that just a few things had to go differently for it to be a rout the other direction. If GG kills Typhus night 2 and calls his kill (as he apparently had some advice to do), we have a network, and that network becomes like five people immediately, since Mikey'd seered a person or two and I'd immediately contact GG with your name, Iron Weasel. Then the village has a big lead.
Similarly, if I busdrive myself and kime the night I died, kime dies, TRV copies my ability and not kime's, so TRV dies, leaving the count at 7 villagers and 4 mafioso, and we are pointed directly at Typhus the next day.
@Saberovereasy in any case, I really enjoyed it, thanks for hosting!
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Also, I confess that I don't quite see how you can say that the game that ended with a flawless mafia victory was "very close" and keep a straight face :P
Oh and now I see what GG was talking about. In a game where (it seemed) pretty hard to confirm people, shackling the village Vig like that was pretty rough.
Village had two vigs, I think. One with that disability, and another who would die if he challenged robots or space entities to fight.
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Also, I appreciate the compliment in my death narration, particularly when I was just getting killed because I had been given a good power. Thanks Saber!
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Yea this many powers is probably hard to balance but is always going to favor the more organized side, the village needed a strong network to have a chance, mafia just got to abuse people. Seems like not the most fun design wise for the village.
Also seriously-"For various reasons, kills will NOT be colored in the narration. Otherwise, this is a fairly vanilla-ish game."
Now in greater retrospect my role seer power serves no purpose for the village-considering the random selection of role names, no one is going to lie and make up a fake one and I'm somehow going to catch a mafia. The only purpose my power served was the possibility of it giving the mafia more kills if they learn more roles names.
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I cannot remember the last time " fairly vanilla-ish game" was a true statement, so I assumed it was rubbish from the start.
I appreciate that a lot of work went into this, but I can't say that I had any fun; I lost my power on night 1 and did nothing the rest of the game.
Anything that forces the village to waste votes and other resources (such as killing the same person multiple times) is probably best left out of the game.
Whereas I got your power and immediately died with it, which was also not super-great.
Plus side I learned there'd been a Xanth phalla at some point and have that to look over in the future!
I'm a bit surprised that no one called TRV out when someone asked who Dr. Crossbred was and there was no response, given he was the host of that game. I kind of figured he was part of the mafia after that.
I'm a bit surprised that no one called TRV out when someone asked who Dr. Crossbred was and there was no response, given he was the host of that game. I kind of figured he was part of the mafia after that.
Yeah, having ended up as that guy was what gave me the Day 1 vote-for-host idea that INANTP successfully plowed underground.
Also, I confess that I don't quite see how you can say that the game that ended with a flawless mafia victory was "very close" and keep a straight face :P
Oh and now I see what GG was talking about. In a game where (it seemed) pretty hard to confirm people, shackling the village Vig like that was pretty rough.
Village had two vigs, I think. One with that disability, and another who would die if he challenged robots or space entities to fight.
3, the one that could target someone on the winning wagon, the one which died against robots, and the one that lost his power if he killed a villager.
There was what, 2 successful village vig kills the whole game?
Having a powers that key off mafia being killed also isn't something I'm crazy about. As a villager, I already have incentive to kill mafia. Giving me a power that keys off of them dying doesn't make me more useful automatically, I'd much rather have something I can use immediately.
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Ok, so my bit. I had the vig power where I could only kill people on the winning wagon, which is why I couldn't hit the Guy you wanted me to shoot @jdarksun. But where I got upset was I got the robot power and lose them the same night. Now, I was sure no one on the winning wagon that night was mafia, but ZH has been good at hiding himself as a village before so I shot him, because I was of the understanding that I had my original power. Then the night is over and I found that I gained a power but lose it because of the new power's limit, even though I killed someone with my old power. And when I found out I didn't have any power, I was in the middle of trying to save 38th who told me he was the guard. So I got heated and I'm sorry Saber but if there were orders of action then I wouldn't have lose my power as I hadn't killed using the new robot power. I think that if I hadn't lost my robot powers, this game might have been different as I believe I had TRV or INANTP targeted at different times that night.
I had a lot of fun with the Brannigan role. Lying through my teeth about a post restriction to get around revealing myself as seer was a blast. I was scared the stilted language would give me away but the mafia didn't seem to be on to me. Kinda sucked that every time I confirmed a villager they would die the very next night. Also that my reveal was a total waste. I hadn't been that invested or tense playing phalla in a long time.
I enjoyed the chaos of the whole thing. Yeah the mafia was OP but I think if you return to this eventually if you just gave the a bunch of powers designed to spread that insanity it would be tons of fun.
I had a ton of fun with my role. Thanks for running, SOE!
I am sad that I didn't get to use that role of yours.
Didn't even stack across multiple days, gosh.
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Reading through the roles was like a phalla scrapbook of awesome. I can tell there was a ton of work on the roles and the powers and I really appreciate it. I was trying to get myself killed early by lying through my teeth and being really shady and quiet so that Phyphor would get confirmed, but no one tried to kill me. Looks like @TheRoadVirus tried to steal my amazing self guard and vig power of friendship on night one. Glad I managed to annoy the mafia a little this game.
Thanks for running this @Saberovereasy. I get where you are coming from with the "game could have gone either way" statement. Village did get pretty screwed early and the mafia just needed to ride that to victory. Had the village not gotten hit so hard in the beginning, it would have definitely been closer. Thanks again, it was great reading the roles and narrations and watching the game play out.
For the record I seered mafia day 1 and day 2-so at least I got that going for me
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Wait, two of my roles were mafia?
I was kinda disappointed that MURDERBOT role was so weak.
And nobody should ever have to be voted out twice. Vote is the penultimate thing. Once per day consensus and the source of all data in the land.
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I could see if they had to be shot twice to die, but having to vote someone out twice is a waste of the village resources, which are in short supply in the first place.
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Dattatreya made the list. I cannot tell you how joyful that makes me.
@jdarksun I really thought you were mafia this game. I maintain that someone not dying to a random day 1 vote is not a good proof that they are mafia.
Oh, it's absolutely not proof. But it tells us interesting things about what goes on.
Like finding Typhus trying to hide in your wagon. If Typhus had died like I had intended, it would have made you look even more suspicious, even though you were innocent.
But, again, analyzing the vote isn't just looking for "who got saved". It's looking for trends and interesting data points.
I had time constraints and most of the planning I did was stuff in my head and then trying to fly by the seat of my pants and remember everything as I typed it. I really really really had fun and just wish more people had participated.
Also I think its retarded that the village didnt double kill kime. Maybe it wouldnt have mattered but it beats taking a guess and killing villagers faster.
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I had time constraints and most of the planning I did was stuff in my head and then trying to fly by the seat of my pants and remember everything as I typed it. I really really really had fun and just wish more people had participated.
I could have used those percents!
I wanted to play games, but I thought back to the debates in INANTP’s Nation of Brass game, and how they tended to dominate the thread in a way that made it feel like there was a lot of discussion going on, when in fact very little was being said. I worried that the mini-games would have the same effect, so I stayed away.
Which in retrospect was dumb, because it’s not like I was doing anything super-important anyway.
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Also I think its retarded that the village didnt double kill kime. Maybe it wouldnt have mattered but it beats taking a guess and killing villagers faster.
The problem with double killing kime (for me) is that we had no way of knowing if he had some sort of Athan like role that couldn't be killed until condition x was met, or whatever. The fact that he came right out and told me he just needed to be killed twice earlier actually made me doubt that because I wouldn't have normally expected him to be that truthful about an ability that lets him live through the vote.
Also by that point a lot of people were pretty confident that TRV was mafia and testing him was important because him being red was strong evidence against typhus.
Also I think its retarded that the village didnt double kill kime. Maybe it wouldnt have mattered but it beats taking a guess and killing villagers faster.
The problem with double killing kime (for me) is that we had no way of knowing if he had some sort of Athan like role that couldn't be killed until condition x was met, or whatever. The fact that he came right out and told me he just needed to be killed twice earlier actually made me doubt that because I wouldn't have normally expected him to be that truthful about an ability that lets him live through the vote.
Also by that point a lot of people were pretty confident that TRV was mafia and testing him was important because him being red was strong evidence against typhus.
You probably should have been able to guess that I just had one extra life based on the source. But I may be biased since I've known my ability for a week now :P
Also I think its retarded that the village didnt double kill kime. Maybe it wouldnt have mattered but it beats taking a guess and killing villagers faster.
The problem with double killing kime (for me) is that we had no way of knowing if he had some sort of Athan like role that couldn't be killed until condition x was met, or whatever. The fact that he came right out and told me he just needed to be killed twice earlier actually made me doubt that because I wouldn't have normally expected him to be that truthful about an ability that lets him live through the vote.
Also by that point a lot of people were pretty confident that TRV was mafia and testing him was important because him being red was strong evidence against typhus.
You probably should have been able to guess that I just had one extra life based on the source. But I may be biased since I've known my ability for a week now :P
That phalla was just slightly (and now that I've read it over, quite regrettably) before my time so I didn't pick up on that like I should have.
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Eh; your being a miller did get you confirmed by me; I just wasn't able to coordinate up because of the power-switching. I think the power switching is a pretty interesting idea.
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Oh and now I see what GG was talking about. In a game where (it seemed) pretty hard to confirm people, shackling the village Vig like that was pretty rough.
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I think all Saber meant was that just a few things had to go differently for it to be a rout the other direction. If GG kills Typhus night 2 and calls his kill (as he apparently had some advice to do), we have a network, and that network becomes like five people immediately, since Mikey'd seered a person or two and I'd immediately contact GG with your name, Iron Weasel. Then the village has a big lead.
Similarly, if I busdrive myself and kime the night I died, kime dies, TRV copies my ability and not kime's, so TRV dies, leaving the count at 7 villagers and 4 mafioso, and we are pointed directly at Typhus the next day.
@Saberovereasy in any case, I really enjoyed it, thanks for hosting!
Village had two vigs, I think. One with that disability, and another who would die if he challenged robots or space entities to fight.
Also seriously-"For various reasons, kills will NOT be colored in the narration. Otherwise, this is a fairly vanilla-ish game."
bullshit
Thankfully SeGaTai was not mafia, or else I would have felt like an even bigger fool.
Whereas I got your power and immediately died with it, which was also not super-great.
Plus side I learned there'd been a Xanth phalla at some point and have that to look over in the future!
Thanks for running the game, Saber!
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Yeah, having ended up as that guy was what gave me the Day 1 vote-for-host idea that INANTP successfully plowed underground.
3, the one that could target someone on the winning wagon, the one which died against robots, and the one that lost his power if he killed a villager.
There was what, 2 successful village vig kills the whole game?
I enjoyed the chaos of the whole thing. Yeah the mafia was OP but I think if you return to this eventually if you just gave the a bunch of powers designed to spread that insanity it would be tons of fun.
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This! Being able to really taunt the village is fun :P
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I am sad that I didn't get to use that role of yours.
Didn't even stack across multiple days, gosh.
Thanks for running this @Saberovereasy. I get where you are coming from with the "game could have gone either way" statement. Village did get pretty screwed early and the mafia just needed to ride that to victory. Had the village not gotten hit so hard in the beginning, it would have definitely been closer. Thanks again, it was great reading the roles and narrations and watching the game play out.
@Segatai You know I had my guard on you Day 1 for a bit. Obviously if you are trying to get me killed you are on the same team as me.
For the record I seered mafia day 1 and day 2-so at least I got that going for me
I was kinda disappointed that MURDERBOT role was so weak.
And nobody should ever have to be voted out twice. Vote is the penultimate thing. Once per day consensus and the source of all data in the land.
Like finding Typhus trying to hide in your wagon. If Typhus had died like I had intended, it would have made you look even more suspicious, even though you were innocent.
But, again, analyzing the vote isn't just looking for "who got saved". It's looking for trends and interesting data points.
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Winning would have made you 200% more powerful! Thats a lot of percents!
Speaking of which @Sir Fabulous How did I do?
I had time constraints and most of the planning I did was stuff in my head and then trying to fly by the seat of my pants and remember everything as I typed it. I really really really had fun and just wish more people had participated.
I wanted to play games, but I thought back to the debates in INANTP’s Nation of Brass game, and how they tended to dominate the thread in a way that made it feel like there was a lot of discussion going on, when in fact very little was being said. I worried that the mini-games would have the same effect, so I stayed away.
Which in retrospect was dumb, because it’s not like I was doing anything super-important anyway.
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The problem with double killing kime (for me) is that we had no way of knowing if he had some sort of Athan like role that couldn't be killed until condition x was met, or whatever. The fact that he came right out and told me he just needed to be killed twice earlier actually made me doubt that because I wouldn't have normally expected him to be that truthful about an ability that lets him live through the vote.
Also by that point a lot of people were pretty confident that TRV was mafia and testing him was important because him being red was strong evidence against typhus.
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You probably should have been able to guess that I just had one extra life based on the source. But I may be biased since I've known my ability for a week now :P
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That phalla was just slightly (and now that I've read it over, quite regrettably) before my time so I didn't pick up on that like I should have.
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