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Immanuel Kant is a son of a bitch
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Whoa whoa whoa. I didn't say I was some kind of Marx Scholar or some shit.
I know that he didn't say "we need the state to take the form of a dictator" in the book.
The point of my statement is that what he wrote in the book is fucking retarded and can even be shown to be self-contradictory (with minimal interpretation). However, if he knew that people would follow it and might bring him in as some sort of "administrator" to make sure they're doing their communism right, he could've basically been a totally rockin' despot, and in that way the seemingly moronic ideas that he wrote were actually just a ploy, and a brilliant one, to give himself an easy life.
Shut up I was trying to discuss a system of person-to-person interactions for a minute instead of discussing an overall economic scheme.
I'm betting one got cuddles and the other one got 40 lashes before bedtime.
that is pretty much contra nietzsche, hook line and sinker
anyway, can anyone that knows wittgenstein tell me whether i should go through the hassle of learning some symbolic logic to try and read the tractatus now or should i just wait until i do it at uni?
I know of three Hobbesses.
Two are definitely not faggots.
I forgot pretty much everything about the third one.
That's the guy I forgot pretty much everything about.
So I guess he's fair game.
I hate Kant. So. Hard.
I hate Nietzsche too, but that's more of a knee-jerk reaction. I should probably read more of his stuff.
But then, I treasure my ignorance.
Hurm.
TFS, why do you hate freedom? Do you know how bad a job governments do of managing things? Do you understand that the private sector, which actually has to compete in the marketplace, will always outperform a bureaucracy with no incentive to do a better job?
So you think an infant child raised by wolves would be good, because it's their core as a human?
Good behaviors are as easily learned as bad behaviors. At their core, people are people, not good or bad.
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What kind of crazy world do you live in where person-to-person interactions aren't based upon economics? The economies of wealth are only a part of economy; economy is all about power. And human interaction is all about trading power.
You fail, only because you used an "all" statement. Any one example of human interaction that is not about trading power negates your entire point because of one word. Tsk tsk.
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Totally full of shit, I couldn't say, because I only read enough of his work to get an A in that course, but tthe whole "reality is what you believe" thing is infuriating and stupid.
While the all does make it a stronger statement than I probably intended, the onus is on you to point out one such situation.
Served.
I believe he's one of those thinkers, yes.
It explains the variations in the nature vs. nurture argument, where a bad person can come from a good environment and vice versa.
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It's also almost impossible to disprove. And, ironically enough, trying to get beyond Hume is the basis for Kant's metaphysics. We've come mysteriously back on topic.
It just seems like a whole lot of fluff talk.
The interaction we are having right now has nothing to do about power, simply because over the internet neither of us have any influence over the over person due to anonymity. Neither of us has power to begin with, let alone a chance to gain power over the other.
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It is boring and meaningless. Meaningful reality is what a significant majority agree on.
All praise the Mustache!
In the end, we parted as friends and equals. There was no talk of financial stability or wealth as a point of superiority. There were no efforts to establish an alpha-male.
People can just be people dude.
I'm not backing unregulated capitalism, because things like Standard Oil expose the flaws in that system very clearly. However, having the government control anything that they don't absolutely have to is a terrible, terrible idea. You are basically asking them to rule over you and taking away all of your own power when you do that. And if you have no power, you will be dominated and enslaved or killed. That's how it works.
Sure it does. Our posts influence our standing in the PA community, our reputations, and things like that. We're not anonymous; we just aren't using real names. There's a difference.
If there was really nothing to be economically gained, why would we even be posting here? Even idle entertainment is a form of economics.
that was awesome and I should have saved it to .txt.
For the stimulating intellectual discourse?
People can come out equal in an economic situation; it doesn't all have to be about gaining an upper hand. The division of labor means everyone comes out ahead mathematically. When two equals trade their social wealth with each other, the same thing can happen. You were both enriched by spending time with one another. It's one of those win-win economic situations.
How exactly am I empowered by a system that is dominated by corporations purchasing influence with their "free speech" dollars? Slavery to a corporate system seems remarkably like fascism to me.
On the off-chance that you're not being sarcastic, yeah, that enriches you.
And if you are, it still enriches you by making you feel superior to the host of douchebags that you perceive.