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Pacific Rim: at the edge of our patience, at the end of our waiting

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    also this was the first movie I ever saw in 3d

    I was kinda nervous about it at first, especially given that I technically have a lazy eye and that seems like the kind of thing that could mess up 3d glasses, but it worked perfectly

    I don't really have a frame of reference, and I can very easily see how 3d could become an obnoxious gimmick real fast, but its use in pacific rim was just as downright solid as everything else about the movie. the 3d trailers had all this stuff flying out of the screen- there was one in particular that should have just been called "Stuff Blows Up and People Float Into the Endless Void of Space" that was particularly egregious about it- but in pacific rim itself it was more or less completely unobtrusive except in the "holy shit, I can't believe that looks like that" kind of way every so often. very little stuff coming "towards" the viewer, but the effect is used a lot to convey depth and scale in a really cool way

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  • AvrahamAvraham Registered User regular
    REASONS TO SEE PACIFIC RIM:

    NO SHAKYCAM OR FAKE DOCU STYLE ZOOMS

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Show starts in ten minutes. So far the theater is about 1/3 full maybe more

  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    Gatsby wrote: »
    Also Dichotomy I'm curious about your take on this, would you agree with my assessment on how the film handles collateral damage and disaster scenes?

    absolutely.
    one of my favorite things is the first we see of gipsy danger in action. there's a kaiju coming. but there's a boat out there! stacker pentecost says no we stay and defend the city of thousands, it's sad but there are bigger things at stake and those ten people can get eaten by knifehead

    then the beckett brothers say fuck that and they go after the boat. they try to save everyone. and sure, gipsy danger gets ruined and one of them dies, but that might have happened anyways- and they save the boat. they save those people.


    it's actually used as convenient shorthand later in the film, in sydney. we see the striker eureka / kaiju fight from an angle where there are people on top of a building of some kind, and striker eureka ends up slamming the kaiju into that building during the fight to get some leverage. the next thing you see? chuck hansen boasting in front of the cameras. jaeger pilots are rock stars and chuck hansen is a jackass, double check

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I loved this movie.

    Every minute of it.

    It was great.

    But now I feel super sick every time I move I feel really hot and tired and I think I'ma go lay down til my doctor's appointment tomorrow morning.

  • HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    more specific spoilery stream-of-consciousness unpacking the movie thoughts
    - mako was incredible. she should have been the movie's lead, straight-up. some nitpicks though
    - she's still got a bit of the damsel thing going on. she's the one who fucks up the first drift and nearly fires the plasma cannon inside the shatterdome, she's the one who runs out of oxygen and has to get ejected from gipsy first. look at the arcs of the characters here! raleigh fucks up because he's cocky and emotional and overconfident and wants all the glory. he should have accepted that he was just holding back the mission in the end, say there's only enough oxygen for one and his arm is busted and he can't do the manual override, and willingly ejects himself so mako can get the job done. then, mako? that vengeance she's after? let her have it in the biggest way possible.
    still, it's amazing enough in itself that they had a female lead who did not have any sort of a love story with the white male protagonist

    - the action, the weight of every strike and the sheer believability of it, that was stellar. still, nitpicks, because that's what I do!
    - cherno alpha and crimson typhoon go down way too fast. we are told they are powerful, dangerous machines, the best of the best to survive as the last remnants of the jaeger program, and then they both get taken out what feels like seconds into the hong kong battle after doing only cursory damage, before gipsy danger comes in to do everything.
    it's symptomatic of a broader flaw within the framing of the film, in that we see the kaiju adapting- knifehead's knife head that is specifically made to pierce a jaeger's armored plates, the sydney one with the head shaped to bust through the wall, leatherback's electromagnetic pulse to shut down the newer digital jaegers, otochi's wings for use against the solely grounded jaegers- but the jaegers themselves generally don't do too well. we see gipsy danger go down the first time killing knifehead, then striker eureka taking down the sydney one pretty casually, then tacit ronin and the tokyo one fight offscreen (tacit ronin wins), then it's
    crimson typhoon and cherno alpha destroyed by leatherback and otochi
    leatherback and otochi killed by gipsy danger
    the torpedo one at the breach completely messes up gipsy danger then gets killed by gipsy danger
    striker eureka kills the second cat four with the nuke, being destroyed in the process
    the cat five survives the nuke and is finished off by, again, gipsy danger
    it just feels like the jaeger program is only ever scraping by by the narrowest of margins. that's probably exactly what they wanted! but at the same time, it makes the viewer feel kind of cheated that we just get told about how the jaegers were on the top of the world and their pilots were rock stars and they killed all the kaiju, especially after all the publicity crimson typhoon and cherno alpha got. they deserved better.

    - I loved everything inside the breach. all that was missing was raleigh chomping on a cigar and saying PEACE right before hitting the manual override

    - excellent movie for the squeamish. good use of discretion shots for instances of carnage vs. humans, the kaiju are sufficiently alien to avoid triggering that ugh reflex, and the jaegers are obviously machines. the only point I felt uncomfortable during was the bit with the kaiju newborn, because I knew it was going to be one of those things where it looks dead but it isn't and also it had giant creepy eyes.

    - holy shit mako is the best

    - holy shit the soundtrack

    - stacker pentecost stacker pentecost

    - okay I already got out my big two nitpicks all I got left is gushing

    Some stuff re: that stuff you said!
    The stuff with Mako getting lost in the drift seemed alright to me; Raleigh is a veteran, he's done this before (at least twice that we know of) and he might be a little fucked in the head after his brother was killed but he's not gonna latch onto a memory like that; on the flip side you're totally on point about how it should have been Mako to detonate Gipsy's core

    I totally feel you on the Crimson Typhoon and Cherno Alpha dying way fast, but they had to let Gipsy Danger bring itself up and redeem itself in a real fight, I feel, and yeah Crimson or Cherno probably should have killed one between them before going down but I feel like that wouldn't have given the ending that feeling of danger and desperation if Gipsy didn't get beat to hell and back or one of those two Jaegers made it.

  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    my theater was at like ten percent capacity

    there was me, one other lone woman, a family, what looked like two father/son outings, a few couples, and two girls who sat right in front of me talking about how pacific rim was basically evangelion just all americanized and I just glared at them from behind my 3d glasses

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  • AvrahamAvraham Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Gatsby wrote: »
    Also @Dichotomy I'm curious about your take on this, would you agree with my assessment on how the film handles collateral damage and disaster scenes?

    agree 100%

    Two crucial things Pacific Rim had that Man of Steel lacked:

    The destruction felt real. You really believed that cities were actually being destroyed - living cities with living people. The world wasn't a CGI playground for a heavyhanded director to smash all his toys, it felt like Del Toro and co took the time and care to craft a real world.
    It had an appropriate amount of gravity and seriousness, because the end of the world is a serious matter. But there was also a sense of fun and excitement. Because robots are really cool and this is thrilling pulpy adventure.

    Avraham on
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  • HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    A dumb thing about the trailer for Seventh Son that played in front of the movie:

    Did anyone else think "Is this a Witcher movie? This feels like a Witcher movie."

  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I nearly peed myself with excitement when
    I saw the masks on the Cherno Alpha pilots.

    They were quite obviously an homage to Votoms.

    Also I really like this movie, the action was fantastic the pace was great and the plot was good fun.

  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    I felt this movie was perfect in every way. Would have loved to have more everything, especially the pilots, but I'm fine with what we got 100%

  • VixxVixx Valkyrie: prepared! Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    not gonna lie

    I'm not Australian, but my time here made me cringe basically every time the Australian accent was even vaguely exaggerated

    both Blake and I burst out laughing when Martini said the word "table" like "tybull"

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  • AvrahamAvraham Registered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    the 3d trailers had all this stuff flying out of the screen- there was one in particular that should have just been called "Stuff Blows Up and People Float Into the Endless Void of Space" that was particularly egregious about it-

    Oh yeah, Cuaron's new film looks like Mirror's Edge In Space.

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    There were also only like 25 people in the cinema total for when I was there!

    But it was an early showing on a preopening night.

  • VixxVixx Valkyrie: prepared! Registered User regular
    my one big disappointment was
    Crimson Typhoon going down like a bitch without doing anything super awesome

    it has *THREE FUCKING ARMS* and all they do with that is rotate the upper body 180 degrees to throw the kaiju into the water

    oh nooooooo not WATER

    I was waiting the whole time for the triplets to be all HEY LET'S BE BADASSES but nope

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    the only part of the movie I felt was a bit weak was
    the whole "we're gonna build a big wall to keep the kaiju out" thing

    I mean yeah, I'm glad they addressed it within the space of the movie that it was a futile idea and the jaegers were the only realistic answer

    but I guess if the idea was "the governments of the world have completely given up fighting the war because of the blood/treasury/resources required to do so and the wall is a big distraction/pancea", its very much up to interpretation

    but the wall isn't the point of the film, its just the reason to gather all the characters for the rest of the story, so its fine either way

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    I really liked this

    But at the same time I felt like it was missing something, and I can't place my finger on what

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    not gonna lie

    I'm not Australian, but my time here made me cringe basically every time the Australian accent was even vaguely exaggerated

    both Blake and I burst out laughing when Martini said the word "table" like "tybull"

    To be honest I thought Kazinsky's was far far worse and I wasn't quite sure if Martini was actually Australian and just exaggerating it for the movie's sake. He actually sounded like a friend of my dad.

  • Karrde1842Karrde1842 Registered User regular
    It is so hard to avoid clicking these spoilers. I have my tickets bought for IMAX 3D for tomorrow at 7:30, so that'll be a good gauge of how popular the movie will be, I think. Tomorrow will be a long day.

  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    Huntera wrote: »
    A dumb thing about the trailer for Seventh Son that played in front of the movie:

    Did anyone else think "Is this a Witcher movie? This feels like a Witcher movie."

    this reminds me I need to seethe about asinine theater ads, I just got to
    let's leave behind that the trailers included such book adaptations as the twilight/underworld mashup and that one that looks like a cheap fantasy ripoff of another cheap fantasy ripoff, I'm just talking ads here

    there was one that featured two attractive young people in a musty old used bookstore. they reach for a book at the same time! the boy lets the girl have it and leaves. the girl buys it, then follows the boy and gives it to him! then they have a delightful midnight romp through the city, late-night musty old used bookstore-goers that they are, and they are delightful and charming and beautiful and having fun and falling in love and do you know what the ad is for?

    mcdonald's.

    it's the most cynical kind of calculated, painstakingly assembled attempts to stoke the cold embers of emotion and it just sickened me in a way that I can't really articulate and find oddly disproportionate for a stupid commercial. just shut up mcdonald's, I'm a miserable person, I will always be a miserable person, don't lie to me as part of some unfathomably moronic plan to sell me fucking egg mcmuffins

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  • AvrahamAvraham Registered User regular
    I saw it on a regular screen. It looked excellent.
    I felt Imax would probably be overwhelming, and I didn't want to see it in 3D and have the colors a tiny bit desaturated. Vibrant crazy colors. And the rain and water effects were incredible.
    I want to emphasize that the whole thing had an incredible amount of visual clarity. Even the murkiest or most chaotic scenes were relatively clear and easy to follow.

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    Saw a ad for city of bones or whatever before this, before the normal previews started.

    God everyone associated with that movie looks like a vampire the masquerade larper.

  • HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    I don't think I wanna see this in IMAX because it was LOUD and I don't know if my ears would be up for that

  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    I was disappointed seventh son didn't play any iron maiden during the trailer

    probably would have improved it greatly

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    the main theme just suits this movie so well.

    I keep coming back to adjectives that could be used to describe giant robots themselves: solid, heavy, weighty, powerful, stylish

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  • KreutzKreutz Blackwater Park, IARegistered User regular
    Saw it at 7:00. I have to echo the poster who said that this is a movie that knows exactly what it is and plays to its strengths. I had to laugh out loud at some of the absurdity, though.
    Like a mecha beating the shit out of an alien with a cruise ship. That was worth the price of admission alone.

  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    ways in which pacific rim is like independence day:
    - the villains are aliens which employ overwhelming force against major cities. (okay that's kind of a freebie)

    - conventional attempts to combat the aliens are extremely ineffective until inventiveness and technology provide a non-conventional option.

    - one of the protagonists is a man with a fraternal bond with another character who is killed as a consequence of overconfidence when fighting the aliens.

    - one of the protagonists has history with the aliens and seeks vengeance.

    - a protagonist sacrifices himself in an explosion to defeat an alien threat.

    - a man who studies and profits from the aliens and the destruction they cause is killed by those aliens.

    - there is a potential suicide mission involving a nuclear payload.

    - access to the alien's home territory requires a measure of subterfuge.

    - the aliens operate on a basis of moving from planet to planet, exterminating any extant life and stripping the planet of resources. they operate via some kind of telepathic link.

    - a character learns the above fact via getting a glimpse into the mind of one of the aliens.

    - a member of the alien species looks upon the instrument of its own nuclear obliteration in brief confusion (before being obliterated).

    - a figure of authority makes an impassioned speech to a crowd before the climactic action scene.

    - the film contains obvious themes of cooperation and hope.

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  • KreutzKreutz Blackwater Park, IARegistered User regular
    Also, I have to give it up to Clifton Collins Jr for looking like a straight pimp throughout his appearances. The guy can rock a bow tie and suspenders.

  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    Huntera wrote: »
    I don't think I wanna see this in IMAX because it was LOUD and I don't know if my ears would be up for that

    It wasn't terribly uncomfortable; the previews were actually way worse in terms of volume than the actual movie.

    Plus, it's worth it just to feel the bass thump through your chest with every hit, and it makes the fight sequences even more satisfying, which shouldn't really be possible.

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Avraham wrote: »
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    the 3d trailers had all this stuff flying out of the screen- there was one in particular that should have just been called "Stuff Blows Up and People Float Into the Endless Void of Space" that was particularly egregious about it-

    Oh yeah, Cuaron's new film looks like Mirror's Edge In Space.

    No offense to Cuaron, but Gravity looks like the dumbest thing.

    "Oh, it's a movie about Sandra Bullock and George Clooney floating about in space, I'm definitely gonna pay to see that."

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I think floating in space with no way of getting back would be fucking terrifying and thus I am interested in Gravity

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    The first trailer for Gravity basically gave me an anxiety attack right there

    Maybe the most effective trailer I've ever seen for anything

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    it's just
    there's george clooney talking about how great space is
    then everything blows up
    then a person floats away into the forever blackness


    how do you pad that out to theatrical length, was that the entire movie right there

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  • LavenlianLavenlian Registered User regular
    Guys...it's an hour before show time at my theater and the line is quite long. Some folks must have been here for two hours.

  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    "It's beautiful isn't it?"

    "What?"

    "The sunrise."

    And then cue the sound of gagging noises from the assembled audience.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    it's just
    there's george clooney talking about how great space is
    then everything blows up
    then a person floats away into the forever blackness


    how do you pad that out to theatrical length, was that the entire movie right there

    Well how about I go see it and save you the trouble then

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    What else has the director done I wonder

    Turns out he did Children of Men, I liked that movie

    I don't think I'd be able to watch Gravity though, I'd break out in chokes

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    I will admit, the scene in the trailer where CGI Bullock is just floating slowly past a piece of debris, reaching desperately for a railing and just missing it by an inch or so is incredibly well made.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    What else has the director done I wonder

    Turns out he did Children of Men, I liked that movie

    I don't think I'd be able to watch Gravity though, I'd break out in chokes

    Y Tu Mama Tambien, Harry Potter 3 (which is the best of the Harry Potter movies, take that how you will)

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