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AT&T vs TimeWarner

BrainPaintBrainPaint Registered User regular
Hey so I just got a job in Austin Texas! We have found an apartment and have set everything up except for the internet which has two options: AT&T or Time Warner. Here in Baltimore we have been forced to use Comcast which is awful. I didn't even know until we looked it up for comparison that AT&T and Time Warner offer plans with 18+ Mbps for about $50/month while I've been paying the same price for Comcast's 6Mbps. Rubbish. Anyway, can't seem to figure out which is the better option. AT&T is $10 cheaper a month and offers 18Mbps while Time Warner offers 20Mbps. I'm not sure if there is a big difference between DSL and cable internet (at least I haven't had any problems working with either) so if anyone knows anything that will tip the scale for me, I am all ears!

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  • Kilgore TroutKilgore Trout Registered User regular
    I can't speak about your specific location, however I did a research project a few months ago looking into costs and benefits of governments providing high-speed internet infrastructure. We looked into DSL and cable as major options and technically speaking they work pretty much the same way. Some people will try and argue one over the other based on personal experience though as far as I am concerned this depends more on your local service provider than the actual type of service so I would recommend talking with people at work or neighbours to get their opinions. If there seems to be no general consensus I would just go with the cheapest deal you can get.

    I can't imagine that there will be that big a difference in performance between 18 and 20Mbps unless you are a competitive gamer. What's a few extra seconds to get a website to load if it saves you $120 a year?

    Personally I use cable internet for the sole fact that Rogers gave me a discount rate for bundling the service with my phone service. I have never had any problems with it aside from one time where cable lines in the area got knocked out by a storm and nobody had access for the day while they fixed it.

  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    DSL is a dedicated line to you, so whatever speed you actually end up with should be fairly steady, assuming your lines are good. Cable can handle tons and tons more bandwidth, so you are more likely to get closer to the advertised speed with cable. TWC was really good for me in Rochester, NY (although it was priced higher than I pay where I am now). TWC was always steady and speeds didn't spike much. You really should be asking people that are right in the same area as you, because they will have first hand experience on how each one works in that very specific vicinity. Cable can be slowed down by having too many people to a junction (if the company sucks at keeping up with that sort of thing). DSL can blow if the lines aren't good, or if you're too far from the hub.

    Generally I would always pick cable over DSL, just because at face value it should be far more reliable. That doesn't mean it will be fore that very specific location though.

  • EsseeEssee The pinkest of hair. Victoria, BCRegistered User regular
    Cable usually seems to have better upload speeds... I've never had any particular complaints about either service, but I don't live in your area so I can't say much. I will say, though, that what speed you get has NOTHING to do with how well online gaming goes. Well, okay, if you're completely maxing out your upload bandwidth while gaming (streaming video to Twitch or something) that could conceivably give you poor/spiky ping, which would impact your gaming. I've done that to myself on occasion. But download speed, especially when you're already over 1.5 Mbps, has nothing to do with gaming. Download speed will only impact stuff like Netflix and general downloading, and as far as I'm aware 18 Mbps should get you full 1080p streaming already. All you really need to look for is which company has the best reliability and customer service in your area. The forums at DSL Reports (A.K.A. Broadband Reports) should be able to give you some local opinions on the ISPs.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    I can't speak to the specifics of either company, but as a long-time telecom employee, I advise placing your install order as soon as you are able. If you expect to move in 3 weeks from now and you know which company you want, place the order with the company now, dated for three weeks in the future (and if you can, don't set it the same day as your actual move in). If you are unable to place an order until, say, the day before install, expect to be at least a week without services. Remember too that you can always cancel an order later if you change your mind, usually with zero consequence to you.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    AT&T's customer service is generally better, but they're billing department takes forever to apply rebates (although you will get them applied retroactively, and you can always just call them up and pester them about it and they'll correct it).

    For me, AT&T is much better service overall. Time Warner just...meh.

    Also I believe AT&T is far cheaper, especially if you're only doing single-service.

    Personally I'd take a ~2Mbps hit for $10/mo.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    AT&T DSL? You couldn't pay me to get their service again. Mileage varies and all that, but a few years back I had AT&T dsl (in the Chicagoland area, should that matter) for a few months and they thought I should be totally cool with service that goes out for 3 weeks at a time. The kind of service that makes you long for Comcast. If AT&T Uverse is available, I have had a much better experience with them (the division or whatever is run like its a different company.)

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    AT&T DSL? You couldn't pay me to get their service again. Mileage varies and all that, but a few years back I had AT&T dsl (in the Chicagoland area, should that matter) for a few months and they thought I should be totally cool with service that goes out for 3 weeks at a time. The kind of service that makes you long for Comcast. If AT&T Uverse is available, I have had a much better experience with them (the division or whatever is run like its a different company.)

    You probably had a serious line fault.

    Not that that excuses them, but DSL reliability depends a lot more on the age and length of the copper back to the exchange than anything your ISP can control.

  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    AT&T DSL? You couldn't pay me to get their service again. Mileage varies and all that, but a few years back I had AT&T dsl (in the Chicagoland area, should that matter) for a few months and they thought I should be totally cool with service that goes out for 3 weeks at a time. The kind of service that makes you long for Comcast. If AT&T Uverse is available, I have had a much better experience with them (the division or whatever is run like its a different company.)

    You probably had a serious line fault.

    Not that that excuses them, but DSL reliability depends a lot more on the age and length of the copper back to the exchange than anything your ISP can control.

    They claimed the exchange was only a few hundred feet from my apartment at the time, but that aside, their service guys were the worst I've ever dealt with - they never even showed up on the same day they were scheduled, let alone hitting the 4 hour window, and they'd leave voicemails bitching me out for not letting them in the building when I was at work. It was a bad experience for more reasons than just unreliable service. I don't know anything about time warner, but I can say from experience that I'd prefer Comcast over at&t dsl (I'm not a fan of Comcast either, but I do believe them to be less bad for this comparison).

    If it were my house, I'd check to see if Fios or Uverse were available before going with cable or dsl.

  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    I had a $15/month promotional rate with AT&T, and it wasn't worth the savings over the $35/month rate I have now with Time Warner. The monthly bandwidth cap was 150 GB/month, which was getting hit all the time with just me and one tenant -- no torrents or other peer-to-peer, but some streaming. It might be okay for one person. AT&T's usage tracker was garbage (I think it was always 3 or 4 days behind), and the overage fee was ridiculous, something like $10/GB. I also had a problem with inconsistent speeds from AT&T, I don't know why.

    Dissatisfied AT&T customer, would never do business again, etc. etc.

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    AFAIK AT&T's bandwidth caps for U-Verse high speed internet is 250GB. Most people shouldn't hit that.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    AFAIK AT&T's bandwidth caps for U-Verse high speed internet is 250GB. Most people shouldn't hit that.

    Thus far, I'm under the impression that OP is talking about getting AT&T high speed dsl. Completely different service from AT&T U-Verse.

  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    AFAIK AT&T's bandwidth caps for U-Verse high speed internet is 250GB. Most people shouldn't hit that.

    I think it actually doesn't have a cap, just their DSL service.

  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    Uverse announced caps (tiered based on level of service), but I go way over as often as not and haven't gotten throttled or had fees on my bill. The uverse installers are at&t employees while time warner will be contractors. My uverse installation was slower but they did a better job, twc installer wanted to get in and out and install was sloppier. Cannot attest to at&t dsl, but I think naked dsl is not very profitable, so they are not as keen to deliver a good experience.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Like @zerzhul says, cable is typically more reliable. You only run into problems if the folks in charge of your junction don't maintain or upgrade it.

    DSL is nice in theory because it's a dedicated line (and some companies basically let you decide how much bandwidth you want to buy and always have access to), but in practice there's just a lot that can go wrong and suddenly throttle your connection. Plus, in my experience, you just end up paying more for DSL and getting about equivalent speed (but of course a hopeful sales rep will talk-up the dedicatedness of it, and how it's your own personal line and all that nonsense).

    EDIT: Just for clarity - a 'dedicated line' is the right term, but the term can be misleading. That doesn't mean that they have physically laid down fibre just for you - it means that within the fibre network they have laid down, specific bandwidth real-estate within that network is assigned to your account. You are literally (in theory, anyway) renting 'X' amount of bandwidth space for 'X' dollars.

    Cable, like everyone else has said, carries a lot of bandwidth - so instead of assigning specific amounts to customers, the cable company just says, "The amount of data our cables can transfer in this area is arbitrarily large. You are paying for access to this arbitrarily large data capacity, and you can expect 'X' bandwidth to be available to you at any given moment,"

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Ok add me on as recommending fiber to the premise or even fiber to the node if you can get it. I know Fios isn't there yet (full disclosure: I work for Verizon Fios), but it seems that Google announced they'll be adding fiber in Austin.

    Even when they start announcing neighborhoods, though, expect an even longer wait on fiber than you would for cable or DSL. No infastructure = fucking long wait.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    Oh wow. If google fiber is coming to town, make sure you're not locked into a contract so you can switch when that goes live.

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    AFAIK AT&T's bandwidth caps for U-Verse high speed internet is 250GB. Most people shouldn't hit that.

    Thus far, I'm under the impression that OP is talking about getting AT&T high speed dsl. Completely different service from AT&T U-Verse.

    Actually, it depends.

    If you have internet only, even if it's AT&T U-Verse high speed internet, it's still DSL.

    Actually, it's all DSL. U-Verse just uses a newer VDSL system.

    But, yeah...

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    For time sake and saving money, we went with AT&T, If the service turns out to be shit, we'll switch it up. I will keep my eye on Google. Honestly, out side of media streaming we really aren't very heavy on internet needs.

  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Hah, didn't realize it was the same couple from the moving to Austin thread.

    I'll just throw in that we're moving this week and switching to AT&T U-verse after having Time Warner for the last 11 years. We didn't have any complaints about TW, but we were looking to upgrade our TV and internet, and the pricing structure for that stuff with TW is ridiculous. We're also supposed to get a free Nexus 7 from signing up for certain packages, so there's that. I think that only applies to bundles, though. They're coming out to the new house on Friday to set it up, so I can report back with initial impressions.

    There's also Grande Communications and Doublehorn Communications if you want some other alternatives, but I can't speak to their service.

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  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    AFAIK AT&T's bandwidth caps for U-Verse high speed internet is 250GB. Most people shouldn't hit that.

    I think it actually doesn't have a cap, just their DSL service.

    I have Uverse and it does have a cap. But maybe it varies by area.

    I doubt I would ever hit the cap though. Streaming Netflix and Hulu and downloading the occasional game on the Xbox is how I use mine though.

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Mulletude wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    AFAIK AT&T's bandwidth caps for U-Verse high speed internet is 250GB. Most people shouldn't hit that.

    I think it actually doesn't have a cap, just their DSL service.

    I have Uverse and it does have a cap. But maybe it varies by area.

    I doubt I would ever hit the cap though. Streaming Netflix and Hulu and downloading the occasional game on the Xbox is how I use mine though.

    No, my understanding is that U-Verse has a cap, but they never enforce it. AT&T's standalone DSL service also has a lower cap, which absolutely is enforced.

    Also, I have to say again that with 2 people streaming Netflix/Hulu we were hitting the 150 GB cap pretty often. U-Verse's cap is 250 GB, but again, I've heard they don't even bother about it.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I remember last year there was a bill in the works to make it illegal, I don't know if that ever happened.

    @Sir%20Carcass thanks for all your info on Austin so far! If you hit any snags with at&t please let us know. Move-in is set for august 8th so we still have a little time.

  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    Alright, we got U-verse set up today. The installation window was from 11am to 1pm, and the guy was here right at 11am. He was very courteous and professional, and seemed to know his stuff. He answered all of my questions, asked if I had any more, and gave us his cell phone number if we needed anything. I remember the Time Warner guy from 7 years ago not really knowing a whole lot about the technology side and seemed more like a "run cable from the street into the house" kind of guy.

    Our installation took maybe 30 minutes, and that was for internet, TV, and phone. What helped was the fact that the previous owners had U-verse installed as well, so he didn't have to wire the house with their stuff. Otherwise, it would've taken at least a couple of hours, and as many as four.

    So far the service has been good. Our advertised speed is 18mbps and speedtest.net just gave me 16.8. They give you the info to log into the router to change whatever settings you want, so I was able to easily turn their router into a bridge so that my network could do its own thing. Their stuff consists of a big ass cubic backup battery, a router, and a WAP. That's for U-verse, anyway. Not sure about their regular DSL service. Their wireless access point worked right out of the box for my wife's laptop.

    I guess that's all I can think of. Let me know if you have any questions about it. I've had it for a very brief period of time, but so far I'm more impressed than I was with Time Warner.

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    If you have U-Verse internet only all you're getting is a 2-wire gateway.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    Also AFAIK the 18 down I think can include up to half of the tv feed. I think they're required to give you actually more if you have HD and/or telephone.

    But you'd have to turn QoS for those things waaaaay down to see any appreciable increase in your speed, and you'd notice the lower quality on the other two services much sooner and more severely.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    Here's a speedtest I just ran on 18 down uverse:
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    I'm connected through wifi and there are other people in the house watching tv/netflix/etc. The tv feed shouldn't be cutting into anyone's interweb bandwidth - if I recall correctly, there's supposed to be something like 10Mb or so on top of your internet bandwidth to be used exclusively by your set top boxes.

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