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Netflix Originals, Y'all

PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, manAh, jeezRegistered User regular
Because if you're here, you have the internet, you all know Netflix is doing some dope-ass shit when it comes to series. They brought back Arrested Development!

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And it was great!

They did House of Cards!

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Which I guess people liked!

They did Hemlock Grove, which was bad enough that it wasn't even fun-bad and I won't give it a picture.

But now they've done Orange is the New Black, which is my favorite new show of this year! Sorry, The Americans! I loved you dearly, but you're out of the top spot.

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First off, that picture is bullshit. It makes the show look like a wacky comedy, as do all the trailers, but man. This show has some teeth. I'm gonna do two pitches for this show - one brief, one (spoilered for convenience) hardcore TV nerd shit.

Brief pitch: This show is an Island of Misfit Toys for characters that'd be one-off bit players in "normal" shows, where they actually get to breathe and be real people. You find and lose sympathy in the most unexpected places, and it's fucking thrilling. Episodes end on cliffhangers that are emotional, and never cheap shocks. Captain Janeway is a major player, and a major badass, if that's your jam. This show has one of the best portrayals of a trans woman, and her marriage with someone she met before coming out, I've ever seen. Actually, no, the best.

Hardcore TV nerd pitch:
The lead, along with all of the characters, are some fucked up people. People both inside and out of prison are all portrayed as selfish, petty, vengeful. You know - like people. But everybody, inside and out of prison, is portrayed as having moments of selflessness. Moments of good. You know - like people. This is one of those rare, rare shows where everybody is human. Even when the good outweighs the bad, there's bad. Even when bad outweighs the good, there's good.

The majority of the characters are, obviously, inmates. The episodes are structured where, in each one, you get flashbacks from the past of one of the inmates. These flashbacks are really impressive, in that they're evocative instead of explanatory. It trusts you to connect the dots from their behavior, and their life path, to where you see them in the main story. In 13 episodes, there are exactly two flashbacks where you actually see police, and there are none where you see handcuffs. Most shows with stories involving the criminal justice system linger on the cuffing, let you hear those comforting miranda rights, because it's a convenient shorthand for otherizing the person getting arrested. It's gratifying to us when we see that shit, because it's familiar, it helps us lump them in with "the criminals," and stop seeing them as people. This show denies us that bit of ritual-derived comfort, and forces us to view everybody as a person. We see the mistakes, without the fake TV catharsis of an arrest. It's really, really incredible, and one of my favorite parts of the show.

It is so, so refreshing to see a cast that is predominantly women, and predominantly women we don't usually see as regulars on TV. Older women, plus-size women, a trans woman, women of many different ethnicities. One-off sidekicks on other shows are season regulars here. All portrayed well, all given fantastic material, all people. "Refreshing" is the wrong word. That shit sounds patronizing. It's a relief. It's finally hardcore proof that you can do a show with all these "unsellable" characters and have it fucking sing. It lets me not talk in hypotheticals about a show with "unmarketable" women; it let's me point to it and go, "There. That one. It can be done, and it can be done well. Which means it can be done again, and you can stop saying you can't make a show like this."

Also, this shit made me cry, like, seven times. Which I swear to god is a compliment.

So let's talk Netflix Originals! If you're just now getting to Arrested Development or House of Cards, ditch those old threads for this new hotness. If you're getting on board with Orange is the New Black, which you fucking should, chat up how Taystee is the light! If you like Hemlock Grove, I'm deeply sorry for you, bro.

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    I think I need to watch Orange is the New Black with my wife. She's a HUGE Voyager fan and her reaction to seeing Kate Mulgrew as a russian prison gang boss should be funny.

  • YoSoyTheWalrusYoSoyTheWalrus Registered User regular
    Orange is the New Black is the goddamn shit

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  • YoSoyTheWalrusYoSoyTheWalrus Registered User regular
    PS Team Crazy Eyes

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Hmm...I was kind of weary of watching this show because I was afraid that it looked to be a kind of "middle class white chick goes to prison and has to deal with all these crazy characters" deal but you've got me interested in it so I might give it a look.

    Didn't even know it was on Netflix.

    Dragkonias on
  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    House of cards had an interesting start and I appreciated seeing a functional non traditional relationship in a form of media, but it just didn't hold up. Lost interest midway through.

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    We watched the first episode of OITNB last night and really liked it. Definitely gonna continue with it.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    OITNB is pretty great, but I wouldn't call it my favorite new show of the year. That would be Hannibal.

  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Finale
    How is she not going to get another year or two tacked on to her sentence for beating up Pensatuckee?

    I mean this is based on a true story. I guess how loosely based is the TV show going to be in relation to the book?

  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    what are you some sort of aphostile

    I wish that someway, somehow, that I could save every one of us
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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    PS Team Crazy Eyes
    I love that they flesh out her character. I was all ready for her to just be the crazy person in the series, but then you meet her parents and hear her talk to them. And I cried watching her reaction to the radio broadcast. :(

  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    I liked AD and house of cards

    I'll give Orange is the New Black a look

    I wish that someway, somehow, that I could save every one of us
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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular

    Holy hell, check out Kate Mulgrew. I can't watch TV for more than 5 minutes, but my wife and my mom have loved House of Cards and are both going to watch Orange together. Mom watched Hemlock Grove, she described it as over the top terrible crazy and entertaining in a stupid way.

  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Hemlock Grove being directed by Eli Roth was enough to put me off of it.

  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Yeah, that was my call. I just associate him with bad torture porn. Oddly tho, mom really enjoyed it.

  • FAQFAQ Registered User regular
    Oh cool, we got a kinda movie thread, which is good gonna post the trailer for this movie which I already did in d n d

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQNjfhlREk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    I am almost done with hemlock grove and I still don't know

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    I do know that the whole getting away with anything he does roman thing pisses me off a lot though

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    12 Years a Slave has an insane cast.

    And Michael Fassbender as a psycho plantation owner might be the most terrifying thing

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Yeah. I watched Shame a few months back and I think Fassbender is probably going to be the next big thing in Hollywood.

    That said he kind of has a Bale quality to him where he's serious all the time. Not that its a bad thing, but I wonder about his range.

    Dragkonias on
  • FAQFAQ Registered User regular
    He's got an upcoming comedy where he's got a papier mache head for the entire thing. He's very lighthearted in interviews

  • AphostileAphostile San Francisco, CARegistered User regular
    End wrote: »
    what are you some sort of aphostile

    I would never make this thread.
    Because I actually fear making threads.

    Nothing. Matters.
  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    He also allegedly threw his girlfriend over a chair, broke her nose, and dragged her outside of a car, so... I'm not a huge fan of Fassbender's.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
    "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
    My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!
  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    He also allegedly threw his girlfriend over a chair, broke her nose, and dragged her outside of a car, so... I'm not a huge fan of Fassbender's.

    Well, I try not to get too caught up in celebrities' personal lives and focus on their abilities.

    But that is pretty fucked if true.

    Dragkonias on
  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    He also allegedly threw his girlfriend over a chair, broke her nose, and dragged her outside of a car, so... I'm not a huge fan of Fassbender's.

    Well, I try not to get too caught up in celebrities' personal lives and focus on their abilities.

    But that is pretty fucked if true.

    I say 'allegedly' because she withdrew the complaint, but cited fear that it would hurt his career and bar his entry to the US if he were charged, so there's nothing much to go on.

    But yeah.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
    "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
    My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!
  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    PS Team Crazy Eyes
    I love that they flesh out her character. I was all ready for her to just be the crazy person in the series, but then you meet her parents and hear her talk to them. And I cried watching her reaction to the radio broadcast. :(
    Plus the affection for Shakespeare and ice skating.

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Orange is the New Black's portrayal of a trans woman is outstanding.

    Like holy shit, it is amazing.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Also why is no one talking about Porn Stache?

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Also why is no one talking about Porn Stache?

    He's Nick Sobatka from The Wire!

    And it turns out he's dynamite at playing a scumbag.

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    good god damn I just looked at the IMDB page for 12 years a slave and daaaang

    in addition to those featured prominently in the trailer (Ejiofor, Pitt, Cumberbatch, Fassbender, Giamatti, Woodard, Dano) it's also got Quvenzhané Wallis as Ejiofor's daughter, and Michael Kenneth Williams.

  • AphostileAphostile San Francisco, CARegistered User regular
    Also Emmy noms come out tomorrow. Wonder if we'll get any?

    Nothing. Matters.
  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    You'd better!

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    this show is amazing

    I also effed up by watching the first two episodes with my girlfriend and now I can't watch any more till I see her next

    which is also something that this show explores

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    That is unfortunate @YaYa.

    Tell us some more problems caused by your girlfriend.

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  • AphostileAphostile San Francisco, CARegistered User regular
  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    That is unfortunate @YaYa.

    Tell us some more problems caused by your girlfriend.

    oh, you mean MY GIRLFRIEND?!

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    That commercial is so accurate to Netflix group-dynamics.

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    @Poorochondriac is it just me or is Pablo Schrieber suddenly mad skinny

    well, not suddenly, Season 2 of The Wire was 10 years ago

    but still!

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    YaYa wrote: »
    @Poorochondriac is it just me or is Pablo Schrieber suddenly mad skinny

    well, not suddenly, Season 2 of The Wire was 10 years ago

    but still!

    Oh, I didn't recognize him at all, between the weight loss and the 'stache. He's changed a whooole lot.

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    YaYa wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    That is unfortunate YaYa.

    Tell us some more problems caused by your girlfriend.

    oh, you mean MY GIRLFRIEND?!

    I am going to tear down your ivory tower with my bare hands.

    Brick by brick!!!

    Zonugal on
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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    YaYa wrote: »
    @Poorochondriac is it just me or is Pablo Schrieber suddenly mad skinny

    well, not suddenly, Season 2 of The Wire was 10 years ago

    but still!

    Oh, I didn't recognize him at all, between the weight loss and the 'stache. He's changed a whooole lot.

    I only spotted him because I'd read that he was in the show but I was doubting myself the whole time

    and he is such a jerk, it's awesome

    also from a TV Nerd perspective I already asked Film Crit Hulk but I figured I'd get your opinion

    is there any reason that one couldn't write a spec episode of a Netflix original series?

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