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Don't Tread On My Right to Tread on You [TEA PARTY]
jungleroomx
It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered User regular
It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered User regular
So, its almost that time again: Budget talks.
The Tea Party has officially lost it. Although the threat is nothing more than that, they've shown exactly what they're willing to do to get rid of things they don't like.
60 Congressmen put together a proposal to shut down the United States Government if the ACA funding is included in the budget. These people are willing to put the military, government civilians, disabled or retired veterans, and even ex military citizens who are bettering themselves through education by using the G.I. Bill, through financial hell just to make a political point.
To their credit, the more level headed GOP members have even stated this will not happen, with Richard Burr stating, flatly, that this is the dumbest idea he's ever heard of. Being from North Carolina, that's saying a lot.
The Tea Party is dangerous. God help us if they ever get some sort of Majority in our nations government.
The Tea Party has officially lost it. Although the threat is nothing more than that, they've shown exactly what they're willing to do to get rid of things they don't like.
60 Congressmen put together a proposal to shut down the United States Government if the ACA funding is included in the budget. These people are willing to put the military, government civilians, disabled or retired veterans, and even ex military citizens who are bettering themselves through education by using the G.I. Bill, through financial hell just to make a political point.
To their credit, the more level headed GOP members have even stated this will not happen, with Richard Burr stating, flatly, that this is the dumbest idea he's ever heard of. Being from North Carolina, that's saying a lot.
The Tea Party is dangerous. God help us if they ever get some sort of Majority in our nations government.
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Obama is too willing to compromise to prevent this; shutting down the government can only hurt the party that says "the government is worthless", because it turns out people do in fact need it
He has nothing to gain by compromising with them, in public statements he just needs to emphasize that he is dealing with congress, the least popular institution in the US. He further needs to emphasize that a lot of this shit is their job and "I will sign it when congress does their job and gives me something to sign"
Republican governors have been taking the "im the executive I have no say in legislative affairs!" to great success.
I'm fortunate enough, despite receiving VA compensation for my back and shoulder, to also be receiving the GI Bill. That's how we pay for all the things, at least until I graduate. There are others who are much worse off than me and are only living and a productive member of society because of the VA compensating them for destroying their bodies in the service of their country.
Shutting off these peoples life support for petty bickering is a shit idea, regardless.
You're shutting it down because negotiating with terrorists is a bad idea
You give too much merit to the Teabaggers' understanding of the cause and effect relationship.
For anyone with common sense, it would go "We don't need the government, let's shut it all down and... oh shit turns out we actually do need all these government services, that was a bad idea, let's turn it back on!"
For the Teepers, it'll go "We don't need the government, let's shut it all down and... oh shit why are all these government services not working anymore, there must be something still active in the government, shut it down harder! Harder dammit! Damn these big-government democrats still manage to keep out government services from working right after we shut down the government, we must keep shutting it down harder!"
Yeah, he's still going to get blamed. But those are people who step in dog shit and unironically say "Thanks Obama". Fuck 'em. Rip the god damn band aid off. It'll hurt, but they will blink - again.
If the Teapers had a majority they damn well would shut it down. This is what they do, they fuck over people (or try to) then blame someone else for the things they just did.
More sequestration? We need to get rid of the sequestration we have before it doesn't matter what the government does or doesn't do!
Of course it doesn't. That's why they threaten to shut it down over everything.
These people are truly sick.
He wants the sequestration to be rolled back because its fucking our nation up, and yes, its hard line.
Maybe someone will get a spine somewhere and actually make Wall Street pay taxes as well.
At list this SAC insider trading thing might put a few hedge fund managers in jail
The new normal is reduced growth in GDP and marked reduction of government services for the poor?
Man, you financial guys are truly out of touch.
Of course not, they are vital government employees.
They are also to a man, millionaires. I think there is only a few that under that 1 million fortune line and in the Senate its even worse.
Joe Biden and Barack Obama where among the poorest senators when they where elected. Obama, because he was a relatively young guy with his autobiographies as a main source of wealth. Biden, because Biden is awesome.
Explains the federal governments complete disdain for the poor and the elderly doesn't it?
Yeah right.
Wall Street runs our country now. They can pretty much do anything with peoples money and get away with it because of Teaper policies of starving the beast, the beast being the eeeeeevil SEC.
Man, water really is wet.
In their defense, changing Congressional salaries within the same Congressional term is unconstitutional.
Its a sucky new normal, but that does seem like an accurate appraisal. I don't know how we're going to manage any useful legislation when we have to have budget circus every three to six months.
This isn't true, Congress and the President are paid through a government shutdown. I believe there is legislation that has passed in the Senate to change this, but like a lot of things its stuck in the House.
Nooooope. This does not work.
The expected reaction: "Gee, I guess we really do need a government to keep things running, so I should pay my taxes."
The actual reaction: "We can't rely on the government to keep things running, so what the fuck am I paying taxes for?"
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
This is not how it worked during the Clinton administration.
In the meantime, though, yeah - we're going to deal with this shit constantly. New normal, indeed.
SKFM is right. It is highly unlikely that we will ever roll back to pre-sequestration spending levels all at once.
However that doesn't stop future Congresses from allocating spending per-program.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
My very favorite sequestration story came from a piece Maddow did about a month ago. There was some relatively big news that the Navy managed to land a fighter sized drone on a carrier. So she traced the program back to all its previous developments and every time this one guy would talk to the press about it. But he didn't when they finally managed their actual goal. Because he was furloughed. Still stationed on the carrier, but prevented from working.
Which is such a productive use of everyone's time.
So he's still housed and fed by the taxpayer but not allowed to be productive
This Fucking Congress, I swear
Why do they only have one guy to do press releases.
Also, remember the government shutdown of 1995 was a win for the Republican party. Just ask Newt.
2014 is already a done deal win for the GOP in both chambers, why help them burn the country down in the mean time
Well, Newt was the joke.