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Shuddering/Shaking when going slow in my car

GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me inthe dickRegistered User regular
Hi folks,

Just bought a 2008 Honda Civic LX automatic and I'm noticing something when I'm slowly accelerating with it. When I reach around 18-30 km/h (around 11 to 18 mph I believe) I get a bit of a shuddering or hitching with the car. This can be if I'm slowly accelerating from a stop or just driving slowly (first noticed it when I was stuck behind a truck on the way to work). I know Honda transmissions are a bit finicky and it only seems to do this when I'm slowly accelerating. If I'm doing it quickly I don't really notice. Does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing or know what might be causing it?

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Is it changing rapidly between second and third gear?

  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    It seems to happen a bit before the gear change takes place, at least a little before I think.

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Have the fuel filter and air filter been replaced recently? Also check your spark plugs.

    Whenever my dad buys a used car. He changes the spark plugs, wiper blades, battery, fuel air and cabin filters. He also gets an oil change so the fuel filter gets changed too. He did mine too when I bought a used car.

  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    The air filter was but I'm not sure on the fuel filter. I'll check with the dealer that I bought it from with regards to that.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    I had that too, once I got up to highway speeds it went away.

    It was the serpentine belt. Another time it was wheel bearings.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    how long ago did you buy it? was it certified?

    i don't know cars, but it could be transmission related too i would think. that could get nasty.

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Gonmun wrote: »
    The air filter was but I'm not sure on the fuel filter. I'll check with the dealer that I bought it from with regards to that.
    Air filters are changed because it costs 8-12 dollars, and 10 minutes of time. Fuel filters are often neglected by dealer mechanics if the car seems to run ok because it costs 30-40 bucks and takes a half hour.

    However if you have a good relationship with the dealership then they'll be able to tell you what maintanence steps they took and what they didn't.

  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    how long ago did you buy it? was it certified?

    i don't know cars, but it could be transmission related too i would think. that could get nasty.

    Just got it last week actually. It has a 3000 km, 30 day powertrain warranty with the dealer and a bumper to bumper (well as much as you can get on a used car) with lubrico. I know the dealer has a shop as well so maybe I'll call and see about getting them to take a further look. It was safety inspected back in May as well.

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Gonmun wrote: »
    how long ago did you buy it? was it certified?

    i don't know cars, but it could be transmission related too i would think. that could get nasty.

    Just got it last week actually. It has a 3000 km, 30 day powertrain warranty with the dealer and a bumper to bumper (well as much as you can get on a used car) with lubrico. I know the dealer has a shop as well so maybe I'll call and see about getting them to take a further look. It was safety inspected back in May as well.

    Take it in, make them fix it. Don't waste a minute on it.

    It could be a lot of things - anything from fuel filter / misfire to a motor mount to transmission problems, so make sure you get it in well ahead of your warranty period. I seem to recall hearing something about issues with the AT in those civics - requiring ATF fluid / filter changes well before their scheduled maintenance period.

    Be careful, because lots of times transmission issues like this will go away with a filter / fluid change, but there is an underlying problem that isn't solved. Do some research as well on the issue, there might me a year / model specific issue that's relatively common, and there's likely to be a write-up / sticky on a Civic forum somewhere on what it is, cost / how to fix it, etc.

  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    Hmm...saw this and it's almost exactly the same issue I'd say. Should pay closer attention to my tach when it happens.

    http://www.civicforums.com/forums/197-mechanical-problems-vehicle-issues-fix-forum/355569-first-civic-ever-2008-vibrations-2nd-gear-auto.html#post4641202

    http://www.civicforums.com/forums/197-mechanical-problems-vehicle-issues-fix-forum/355569-first-civic-ever-2008-vibrations-2nd-gear-auto.html#post4641245

    I called the dealer as well and he was going to see about when I can bring it in to have a tech look at it. I'll be sure to ask about the transmission fluid.

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    If you have a warranty (you do), take it STRAIGHT THE FUCK IN to the dealer, and have them fix anything that isn't perfect.

    Wring every cent you can out of that warranty.

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Also, document document document.

    Dates, times, who you spoke to, what was said. Prepare for the worst. You don't want them to schedule you at 31 days and say you are out of warranty and owe $TEXAS.

    Don't take chances, because that's several grand if you drop your transmission. Hopefully all will go well, just prepare for otherwise.

  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    Alright, had it into the dealer shop this morning and they did a transmission fluid change as there were no lights coming on on the dash so no codes to read. It seems to have improved things but they said to give it till Wednesday and if it starts up again then they will contact Honda and get it into their shop to see if it might be an issue with the transmission. They were genuinely baffled by it I guess and really want to make sure it works right for me which I'm happy about and thankfully I had a tech come with me in the car where I could show him what was going on and he even took it out again himself after and sure enough it did it for him too so I didn't feel like I was paranoid or something. And all at no cost to me. :) So, I'll keep my fingers crossed as it would appear that the transmission fluid hadn't been changed for 100,000 kms (60,000 miles). I'll keep an eye on it though and if it is an issue I'll be calling them up asap.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    if the transmission fluid hasn't been changed for that long, couldn't that do serious damage to it? I don't know much about specifics like that.

  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    i think it can, and i think fresh fluid can make it run smoothly for a while, but the problem will come back. do you have a shop you trust? run it by a independant 3rd party to make sure they aren't just dicking you around until your warrantee is over, and then you're boned.

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    if the transmission fluid hasn't been changed for that long, couldn't that do serious damage to it? I don't know much about specifics like that.

    I checked the maintenance schedule for OP, and it looks like 60k is the 'recommended' point to drain and change transmission fluid. Which is relatively typical, depending on the car transmission fluid / filter comes up between 50k and 100k miles, usually closer to 50k.

    However, it looks like those Honda automatics are pretty delicate and have an internal filter that can't be changed, and there are some driver recommendations (take w/ grain of salt) to change the fluid anywhere from every year to every 30k miles. Since miles can be so different (all San Fransisco city driving is going to be hell on an AT vs. long distance highway driving in Nebraska) it could go either way.

    Again, that's why you have a warranty and take it in / get everything documented. I'd bet that changing out the fluid will solve the issue.

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Old transmission fluid could be a problem if the car has been driven hard. Or, if the fluid (which is hygroscopic) has absorbed too much moisture.

    Either case can result in the oil 'cracking', where it kind of splits into two fluids that don't mix properly. One will be darker, with all the pollutants (metal filings etc.) except water in it, and the other will be a lighter colour with the absorbed water in it.

    In this case, the fluid loses its ability to both act as a low pressure film between the plain bearings in the gearbox, and as a high pressure film between the roller bearings and the meshing surfaces between the teeth of the gears in the gearbox.

    If this is what's happened, not only will there be accelerated wear on the working surfaces in your gearbox, but there will also be corrosion making its presence felt.

    Hopefully that's not what has occurred. Hopefully, your oil was just aged and overloaded with regular old contaminants. In which case wear rates will have been slowly accelerating, but a batch of fresh oil will help slow that back down.

  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I called yesterday and made an appointment to take it in. After bringing it in on Friday and having the transmission fluid changed (which seemed pretty dark when I was watching them drain it) I drove it in the evening and felt it doing the shuddering again. I haven't really had much of a chance to try and recreate it again since then but I'm feeling it would be best to have them take it on Wednesday and take it to the Honda dealer we have here in the city to check it out a bit more.

    The place I've taken it to is a shop owned by the dealership and they've said they are going to be taking it to Honda and are going to give me another car to drive in the meantime which is nice and it's all been approved by the general manager of the dealership so while I'm hoping it's something minor I'm really happy thus far with how they are being with regards to it. While it's a smaller dealership it's my second time getting a car from them and they are being really good about everything.

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  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    So, update time.

    Took the car in yesterday and went with a salesman to drop it off at the Honda dealership here in Moncton. Explained what had been done so far and what it was doing. In the interim they gave me a loaner car to drive as my car is under warranty with the guys I bought it from (so I don't even have to pay any deductable). Got a call last night stating that Honda is advising that the transmission should be replaced. They didn't have all the details but I'm going to be going to see the salesman and the manager of the place I bought the car from as the loaner they gave me is too small (2011 Ford Fiesta). As it stands, it looks like it will be at least a week before I get my car back but it will either have a new or rebuilt transmission and in the interim I will have a car to use at no expense (save for paying my own gas of course).

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    was there something special about this car? on the one hand you know you have a rebuilt transmission. on the other hand, can you just get a difernet car and be on your way

    was this a pre-certified car or whatever they do their inspection thing on? seems shady that you already need a new transmission and you should either get a different car or a substantial knock off the price

    mts on
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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    That sounds like the best outcome you could have for this Gonmun, apart from being crammed in a Fiesta. Hope you get something with more room.

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