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[PATV] Friday, September 13, 2013 - Extra Credits Season 7, Ep. EH 02: Extra History: The Second Pun
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[PATV] Friday, September 13, 2013 - Extra Credits Season 7, Ep. EH 02: Extra History: The Second Punic War Begins
Most of the research for these videos comes from: Polybius' The Histories And Livy's History of Rome But if you just want an overview, here's a wikipedia link.
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Making good use of the Roman time-share leadership. Brilliant.
For a fantastic and much longer examination of the Punic Wars, look up Hardcore History. Episodes 21-23 are all about the war, and give a description of this battle that will curl your toenails.
A good book about the Carthaginian side, making use of what sources there are as well as modern archaeological evidence, is "Carthage Must be Destroyed" by Richard Miles. It's written in a pleasant and accessible style, as a bonus, so reading it isn't a chore, and it covers everything from life in the city itself to naming conventions (explaining why so many of them had the same name!) as well as the various battles and campaigns.
Really looking forward to the next one. Cannae!
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But they have the unfortunate side-effect of reminding me how terrible Rome 2 is....
Now I'm sad, Extra Credits. You made me sad.
As much as I love your regular videos, I am even more excited about this! If you ever want to do more history videos, I for one would be more than happy!
Beer is the perfect lubricant for twisted and vile animal gibberish. I use it myself when the times are ripe and my need great.
Makes me wonder if that's what the Carth wanted the roman to feel, so they'd stay, endure attrition, and ensure a powerful flanking manouver, or if they genuinely were doing fine.
Also, wow. How the hell did they bring elephants through the Alps? That's intense.
When the Gauls sacked Rome in 387 BC (over 100 years before the Second Punic War), the Romans were so despondent that they very seriously considered abandoning their entire city. Not only that, but the records from the era before were destroyed, and as such what we have of those records is almost complete myth and revisionist history.
Just before that, we had the fighting at Veii which was the first time that the Romans decided to field an army year round, and instituted soldier pay. This was important as it led to the formation of professional armies and eventually the mercenary armies that led to Rome's downfall. (just as an aside, the Roman records of the period were steeped in revisionist history and myth, but the Greek records covered this war pretty handily)
You could claim that this was what started the "cults of personality" in Roma, but they had been there since it's founding. In fact one of the most notable figures (and that everyone has likely seen the results of, even if they haven't heard of him) was Cincinatus. A man so popular that over 2000 years after his death the men who fought under Washington were declaring him "America's Cincinatus", one even naming the city he would later found after this title in honor of Washington (the town was Cincinnati).
Rome's republic was in a long decline that started at the beginning, and if we were inclined to be pedantic we could even claim that it was inevitable. However that isn't true and only seems so from the backwards view of history we get to take. In reality Rome was constantly faced with threats both to it's sovereignty and to it's form of government, from without as well as within, and it's only through the greatest of luck and misjudgement that the Republic fell at all.
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You can always read on the English Wikipedia about this war, it may not all be 100% correct but you'll get the big picture
If you want some books just go down to your local library and ask about some books about the Punic war and I'm sure they can provide you with some.
I myself would largely recommend: "Hannibal's war. Books twenty-one to thirty"(translated by J.C. Yardley) by the Roman historian "Livy". I have not myself read it yet but I'm absolutely planning on doing it at some point.
//History student
It's the difference between getting tens of thousands of men across in order to attack Rome in the winter and getting tens of thousands of men across three years from when you started. There were paths that were big enough for the elephants but you can't march an army that size down one path and expect to get anywhere anytime soon. They took multiple paths with the elephants and supplies taking the largest paths and many of the different divisions in the army trying to find their own path.
I highly disagree. Both their Religion episodes and what they are currently doing was and is incredibly interesting respectively. Granted, I wasn't watching Extra Credits when they were doing the Religion episodes week by week, and I wasn't around for the discussions that triggered "God Does Not Play Dice", but it was still an interesting topic.
These guys are really good at making anything engaging to watch and interesting to learn about. They go about it efficiently for rather short episodes yet also spark curiosity in the viewer to research more about it themselves, either to learn more or attempt to disagree. Plus, the pretty pictures don't do any harm to keep a person's attention.
Though I am happy to see someone else picked up on the Afircan war elephants and the AT-ATs from Empire Strikes Back.