First I told too much, than I played dumb on the question...
Indipendently from my malleability, living me alive cleared sepah from mafia suspicions. Than you've been unlucky using the two kills the way you did, it eliminated even the most remote chance of a second SK.
Than killing you come as kind of obvious...
Why would there be a second SK? I don't get why everyone was so confused about it. It was being used as a Mafia kill, killing all the high profile village targets. If anything, the mob attack was the tricky one to discern.
And the question wasn't whether Sepah was an SK, the question was whether he was a Mafia disguised as a seer.
mafia disguising as a seer early game and throwing his fellows several times under a bus (either through kills commanded by the network or seering), when there was no indication that 'the village seer' was already dead and he could replace him without the 'real seer' objecting vs. one vote on bedlam
A bit surprised that people had to use their personal actions on abilities.
That is not a thing that I twigged onto at all. Although that really wouldn't have stopped me thinking that Sepah was not the seer because of his extremely poor record.
mafia disguising as a seer early game and throwing his fellows several times under a bus (either through kills commanded by the network or seering), when there was no indication that 'the village seer' was already dead and he could replace him without the 'real seer' objecting vs. one vote on bedlam
This wouldn't have worked out discrider
Nah, it'd work in the same way kime's "I'm always mafia" works.
The idea is, it wouldn't matter if I were seer or not. If the real seer turns up, then we correlate. Until then, I pick mafia out of the air, whether I'm mafia or no.
Fun game, though I'm kicking myself for going against my gut on aura and discrider.
You just like killing me, your gut wasn't a factor!
Re: inactive-murder, that wasn't purely a mafia gambit, it just didn't have enough traction to go anywhere with based on the first day of it's results.
It did at least get you guys to nominate new netheads for us to zorch.
So I know why ZH argued so hard in the end ... he knew he was village, and was assuming 3 mafia were left, so he thought if he didn't fight it would be game over.
Still it's so crazy to me that those arguments made the network choose to gun down a seered villager?
Very entertaining to watch. I was going to be so mad if 38th was mafia, b/c I trusted him from Day 1, haha. So I was very relieved there.
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other than "i'm not mafia" my first was having to abruptly cover for one of gg's lies
and yet everyone STILL THOUGHT I WAS MEGA SUS
The only posts of yours that I would remember at the end of each day were bragging that you were still alive continuously. How many villagers do that?? 0.
So I know why ZH argued so hard in the end ... he knew he was village, and was assuming 3 mafia were left, so he thought if he didn't fight it would be game over. Still it's so crazy to me that those arguments made the network choose to gun down a seered villager?
Very entertaining to watch. I was going to be so mad if 38th was mafia, b/c I trusted him from Day 1, haha. So I was very relieved there.
I went full agi, null physical and yet due to my luck, I missed hitting someone day 1, and never dodged any attacks.
It seemed like the way to go!
I would've thought that dodge bonus would have helped more than it did, especially in the late game when you can just outright dodge the instant kill or status attacks?
Fun game, though I'm kicking myself for going against my gut on aura and discrider.
You just like killing me, your gut wasn't a factor!
Re: inactive-murder, that wasn't purely a mafia gambit, it just didn't have enough traction to go anywhere with based on the first day of it's results.
It did at least get you guys to nominate new netheads for us to zorch.
I actually thought you were mafia early, I just still felt bad about day 1ing you in pokephalla after you privately revealed to me.
Own-horn toot: I did bring Noir home on my first go as mafia earlier this year, but had significant help!
Discrider, you did a hell of a job but you do over-think a bit. Was very glad to have you around for this one.
It is freaking hard to play support mafia if someone ( @schuss !) keeps randomly attacking you. Would've bailed inantp out immediately otherwise and I believe I saved him from the second attack-wave.
Should I assume that was your Mudo that missed me, Sepah?
Nah I was seering every night but last and night 9. That was 38th Doe on Night 5.
Nevermind, I misread this and thought 38th was seered night 5. IGNORE ME!
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I was glad @Sepah seered me day 1... even though I was hella paranoid about it, until about day 3-4 when I just said "screw it" and made friends with Occam's Razor. I did get worried again at the end though, with all the misses (and RGG's paranoia/confirmation bias rubbed off on me). Thanks for being my bro, Sepah
And then I lived nearly to the end. It's been a while since I've played, but I can't remember the last time I lived for so long.
Thanks, too, to @Egos for the eldritch ritual that summoned me.
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I probably should have talked more with RGG about schuss/Alegis/ZH being mafia, since I was very skeptical about schuss, but I trusted the network knew more than I did.
I didn't see the mafia having two group attacks coming, so I thought Alegis was making something up in the 11th hour to try and save himself.
Glad I was right on Auralynx, too bad my Mudo missed on the earlier day.
Odd that I ended up on Mudoon, I had originally planned on healing, then went fire last second to hit Gizzy's null. Then I was promptly silenced so just sat on my pile of AP.
I was also anticipating 5 or 4 people left alive today, instead of 3. 5 or 4 would have been a much better number for me.
True indeed. If the dice rolled differently, then we'd be looking at some very different outcomes.
If one of the Dharmapala Mob attacks misses CaptainPlanet82, he survives, With two seered villagers and their seer against one unknown player, I think there would be no question about the outcome. (I would have absolutely called the game without delay had that happened.)
If Locus survives, two mafia against two villagers means that the mafia wins immediately.
If 38thDoe survives, there's a good chance for debate and persuasion. If the vote fell on 38thDoe, discrider might try to make an instant-kill attack on Preda before Preda gets a chance to counterattack; the outcome of the game falls in fate's hands.
If Locus and 38thDoe both survived, I can't predict as well what would have happened, but I think Locus would have taken the vote and discrider would have had a good chance to evade player actions and pilot the group kills to victory.
CaptainPlanet82 and one of Locus or 38thDoe surviving probably means that Locus or 38thDoe dies to the vote, with fate determining the outcome as in the "38thDoe survives" condition. It's hard to predict.
I would've thought that dodge bonus would have helped more than it did, especially in the late game when you can just outright dodge the instant kill or status attacks?
I tried to set the formulas such that each stat provided about the same level of benefit in combat, at least for non-fringe cases. Things get a little crazy on the extremes. For the case of AG, high values eventually cap offensively, but are always useful defensively. The benefit of each point in evasion is about half of the defensive benefit gained from increased ST or MA, but evasion applies to all attacks rather than just physical or magical attacks, respectively.
On a side note, you could think of hitting a target as being like rolling a certain number of d20s, and hitting by avoiding rolling a '1' on any of them. Increased accuracy plucks d20s out of the pool until there's none left to roll, while evasion adds d20s to the roll pool.
No complaints on my end regarding my ill luck! This is why I don't gamble. I may as well write a check to any casino I walk into, then walk right on out.
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@MrBlarney Thanks for hosting this was a lot of fun. I'm sad that the SK did not want to be friends with me this game.
@undergroundmonorail - I vouched for you, too, and you were off the network's list of probable mafia as far as I knew, but despite that and despite the public call for an end to vigilante, probable villager-on-villager violence, shalmelo killed you anyway. Sorry about that, I tried, probably not hard enough. My heart sank when I saw your name in the narration and I can't tell you how pissed I was when I found out a villager did it.
It's 'kay, it's not like I was actually useful to anyone this game. also actively killing me is a way better reason to grudge someone than "made a seer call proving I was mafia" so I guess Langly's off the hook
I think my biggest problem with playing this game was Pokemon X ruining my sleep schedule. Wake up -> School -> Pokemon -> Nap through vote close -> Wake up -> Pokemon until 4am -> Repeat happened more than once, and it was the reason I was one AP away from getting Hamaon when I started having to guard every day to survive.
It also happened the day I died, so even if someone hit me softly for some reason I had forgotten to guard...
Good game, I had a lot of fun. Thanks for running it, Blarney
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Hahaha Sepah was the seer. Well that does explain trying to lay low! I like to think I gave you cover from mafia with my accusations, making my rambling a bit useful.
Damn, my last mafia list was terrible. Guess we already got out of the TRV-Bedlam vote what we could and discrider was well positioned. Good job guys!
Funny mafia wasted the petrify kill on me final night, I had 40 HP left from the Dharmapala Mob attack. Thanks for hosting @Mr Blarney!
I wasn't sure how much got through the first night. We had no way of telling how much damage the group attacks were doing, so I thought that maybe you were guarding the first night (being a vote leader and all) and that if you were, then you were definitely guarding the next night. It was looking at about 60 damage or so if you guarded. So better to just hit you with the sun and hit CaptainPlanet instead since Captain had been hit by Drez for so much a couple of days ago.
I did get him by Drez for 139hp. But I have to give special thanks to @Alegis who healed me right back up to full the very next day.
I guess I just didn't have my stats built right to live through that attack. throughout the game I had a whole lot of attacks that completely missed so I was pushing points into AG thinking that would help people miss me also. guess not. oh well we got the job done at least.
@Ardor@Drez Good to have you guys back for a game ONE OF ARDOR OR INFIDEL IS MAFIA FUCK YOU DREZ
Now we finally find out why I lived so long. @Sepah
Damn it is hard to play this game where just living is indicative. :P I did pretty well this time around~
Ingesting netheads om nom nom.
@Infidel: Lol. Yeah, I messaged both you and Ardor at the same time but Ardor tickled my m-bone more than you. I actually had my attack action on you but switched to Ardor.
Ardor Drez Good to have you guys back for a game ONE OF ARDOR OR INFIDEL IS MAFIA FUCK YOU DREZ
Now we finally find out why I lived so long. Sepah
Damn it is hard to play this game where just living is indicative. :P I did pretty well this time around~
Ingesting netheads om nom nom.
I wish I had more time to play, but it's sparse these days. With luck though, I'll see you at PAX next year since I'm pretty sure I won't be moving again!
Man, im still mad about spending all my mana at the behest of the network, then receiving orders to not generate mana, then thrown to the wolves when they had no more use of me.
Man, im still mad about spending all my mana at the behest of the network, then receiving orders to not generate mana, then thrown to the wolves when they had no more use of me.
Can i join the dharmapala?
No, we died.
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I'm disappointed no one tried to hit me with an ice attack.
Man, im still mad about spending all my mana at the behest of the network, then receiving orders to not generate mana, then thrown to the wolves when they had no more use of me.
Well, so far as I'm concerned. Obi, we're even in my ledger as you're probably as annoyed as I was when I not only conceded but told the village how to win... and they didn't listen.
I listened, Aura! Oh, God, I listened!
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I have to say though, the biggest issue I have with this game is the fact that I apparently can't sleep because of it
I've been running on adrenaline for the full 2 weeks of this game. Couldn't eat, waking up at awful times (mornings ugh) and not being able to get back to bed. Actually having to move my limbs around to dissipate energy.
No-one told me Phalla would be this taxing.
This is a very similar story to my first, which was Matev's Mandalore phalla, in which I was also a mafia who lasted very long and died to a seer after making some pretty thorough arguments on my last day.
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Man, im still mad about spending all my mana at the behest of the network, then receiving orders to not generate mana, then thrown to the wolves when they had no more use of me.
Can i join the dharmapala?
To be fair, they made me spend all my mana too. Or at least all the mana I could spend on buffs.
And I was planning a day 12 blood sacrifice induction party for Preda, but that didn't come off.
I was also sort of hoping for a day 12 "Voting for Zombie Hero because I can't be bothered to RNG and I won't vote myself off as quickly from the bottom" vote.
I have no idea why we day 1'd or early day'd people.
Later game it was village heads, supposed seers and people who seemed to have a clue, but early game I think it was largely who had played the best previous games.
This is a very similar story to my first, which was Matev's Mandalore phalla, in which I was also a mafia who lasted very long and died to a seer after making some pretty thorough arguments on my last day.
RL Mafia is better in this regard I think, as it's just over much quicker. That said, the manic energy has to go somewhere, and you get far more strange looks about psychotic laughter when you're in a group situation. (And no, that's not a tell. Manic laughter occurs whether mafia or villager. Mafia enjoys fiendish overthinking and arguments, Villager enjoys sounding out mafia and wildly pointing at people whilst looking for flinching :P)
This is a very similar story to my first, which was Matev's Mandalore phalla, in which I was also a mafia who lasted very long and died to a seer after making some pretty thorough arguments on my last day.
RL Mafia is better in this regard I think, as it's just over much quicker. That said, the manic energy has to go somewhere, and you get far more strange looks about psychotic laughter when you're in a group situation. (And no, that's not a tell. Manic laughter occurs whether mafia or villager. Mafia enjoys fiendish overthinking and arguments, Villager enjoys sounding out mafia and wildly pointing at people whilst looking for flinching :P)
I think the laughter is only psychotic if you're mafia. If you're village, it's merely manic.
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And the question wasn't whether Sepah was an SK, the question was whether he was a Mafia disguised as a seer.
This wouldn't have worked out discrider
That is not a thing that I twigged onto at all. Although that really wouldn't have stopped me thinking that Sepah was not the seer because of his extremely poor record.
Nah, it'd work in the same way kime's "I'm always mafia" works.
The idea is, it wouldn't matter if I were seer or not. If the real seer turns up, then we correlate. Until then, I pick mafia out of the air, whether I'm mafia or no.
Well-played village!
And thanks for running @MrBlarney and thanks for the narrations @cj iwakura !
You just like killing me, your gut wasn't a factor!
Re: inactive-murder, that wasn't purely a mafia gambit, it just didn't have enough traction to go anywhere with based on the first day of it's results.
It did at least get you guys to nominate new netheads for us to zorch.
Still it's so crazy to me that those arguments made the network choose to gun down a seered villager?
Very entertaining to watch. I was going to be so mad if 38th was mafia, b/c I trusted him from Day 1, haha. So I was very relieved there.
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The only posts of yours that I would remember at the end of each day were bragging that you were still alive continuously. How many villagers do that?? 0.
Wut? That never happened.
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I went full agi, null physical and yet due to my luck, I missed hitting someone day 1, and never dodged any attacks.
It seemed like the way to go!
I would've thought that dodge bonus would have helped more than it did, especially in the late game when you can just outright dodge the instant kill or status attacks?
I actually thought you were mafia early, I just still felt bad about day 1ing you in pokephalla after you privately revealed to me.
Nevermind, I misread this and thought 38th was seered night 5. IGNORE ME!
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I was glad @Sepah seered me day 1... even though I was hella paranoid about it, until about day 3-4 when I just said "screw it" and made friends with Occam's Razor. I did get worried again at the end though, with all the misses (and RGG's paranoia/confirmation bias rubbed off on me). Thanks for being my bro, Sepah
And then I lived nearly to the end. It's been a while since I've played, but I can't remember the last time I lived for so long.
Thanks, too, to @Egos for the eldritch ritual that summoned me.
I didn't see the mafia having two group attacks coming, so I thought Alegis was making something up in the 11th hour to try and save himself.
Glad I was right on Auralynx, too bad my Mudo missed on the earlier day.
Odd that I ended up on Mudoon, I had originally planned on healing, then went fire last second to hit Gizzy's null. Then I was promptly silenced so just sat on my pile of AP.
I wished pointing out that I'm almost never mafia was a good defense, because really, I'm almost never mafia. How could you suspect BMO?
If one of the Dharmapala Mob attacks misses CaptainPlanet82, he survives, With two seered villagers and their seer against one unknown player, I think there would be no question about the outcome. (I would have absolutely called the game without delay had that happened.)
If Locus survives, two mafia against two villagers means that the mafia wins immediately.
If 38thDoe survives, there's a good chance for debate and persuasion. If the vote fell on 38thDoe, discrider might try to make an instant-kill attack on Preda before Preda gets a chance to counterattack; the outcome of the game falls in fate's hands.
If Locus and 38thDoe both survived, I can't predict as well what would have happened, but I think Locus would have taken the vote and discrider would have had a good chance to evade player actions and pilot the group kills to victory.
CaptainPlanet82 and one of Locus or 38thDoe surviving probably means that Locus or 38thDoe dies to the vote, with fate determining the outcome as in the "38thDoe survives" condition. It's hard to predict.
I tried to set the formulas such that each stat provided about the same level of benefit in combat, at least for non-fringe cases. Things get a little crazy on the extremes. For the case of AG, high values eventually cap offensively, but are always useful defensively. The benefit of each point in evasion is about half of the defensive benefit gained from increased ST or MA, but evasion applies to all attacks rather than just physical or magical attacks, respectively.
On a side note, you could think of hitting a target as being like rolling a certain number of d20s, and hitting by avoiding rolling a '1' on any of them. Increased accuracy plucks d20s out of the pool until there's none left to roll, while evasion adds d20s to the roll pool.
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Blackhole1 won't you come, so @Infidel can be Buddha!
@Egos thanks for @ing me.
It's 'kay, it's not like I was actually useful to anyone this game.
I think my biggest problem with playing this game was Pokemon X ruining my sleep schedule. Wake up -> School -> Pokemon -> Nap through vote close -> Wake up -> Pokemon until 4am -> Repeat happened more than once, and it was the reason I was one AP away from getting Hamaon when I started having to guard every day to survive.
It also happened the day I died, so even if someone hit me softly for some reason I had forgotten to guard...
Good game, I had a lot of fun. Thanks for running it, Blarney
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@Ardor @Drez Good to have you guys back for a game ONE OF ARDOR OR INFIDEL IS MAFIA FUCK YOU DREZ
Now we finally find out why I lived so long. @Sepah
Damn it is hard to play this game where just living is indicative. :P I did pretty well this time around~
Ingesting netheads om nom nom.
I did get him by Drez for 139hp. But I have to give special thanks to @Alegis who healed me right back up to full the very next day.
I guess I just didn't have my stats built right to live through that attack. throughout the game I had a whole lot of attacks that completely missed so I was pushing points into AG thinking that would help people miss me also. guess not. oh well we got the job done at least.
@Infidel: Lol. Yeah, I messaged both you and Ardor at the same time but Ardor tickled my m-bone more than you. I actually had my attack action on you but switched to Ardor.
@Ardor: Sorry, man.
Good to play again. I didn't have much time to devote to analysis, so I fired from the hip more often than not.
I wish I had more time to play, but it's sparse these days. With luck though, I'll see you at PAX next year since I'm pretty sure I won't be moving again!
Can i join the dharmapala?
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No, we died.
But so did he, so that can't be a problem can it?
I listened, Aura! Oh, God, I listened!
This is a very similar story to my first, which was Matev's Mandalore phalla, in which I was also a mafia who lasted very long and died to a seer after making some pretty thorough arguments on my last day.
And I was planning a day 12 blood sacrifice induction party for Preda, but that didn't come off.
I was also sort of hoping for a day 12 "Voting for Zombie Hero because I can't be bothered to RNG and I won't vote myself off as quickly from the bottom" vote.
Later game it was village heads, supposed seers and people who seemed to have a clue, but early game I think it was largely who had played the best previous games.
I was not at all surprised to see you dead. You tend to be highly analytical and can drive village discussion.
RL Mafia is better in this regard I think, as it's just over much quicker. That said, the manic energy has to go somewhere, and you get far more strange looks about psychotic laughter when you're in a group situation. (And no, that's not a tell. Manic laughter occurs whether mafia or villager. Mafia enjoys fiendish overthinking and arguments, Villager enjoys sounding out mafia and wildly pointing at people whilst looking for flinching :P)
I think the laughter is only psychotic if you're mafia. If you're village, it's merely manic.