The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.
Paul seeks to go a step further and amend the Constitution so that “Congress shall make no law applicable to a citizen of the United States that is not equally applicable to Congress,” the executive branch including the president and vice president as well as the Supreme Court.
Besides being a stupid publicity stunt, it is so poorly written that it would mean that Congress gets all the benefits ever given to any citizen.
Wow, and here I thought the Florida law that made computers illegal was poorly written.
It's yet more evidence as to why Dr. Tyson was horribly, horribly wrong.
Out of curiosity: Of what?
Is this about the time Tyson said Republicans aren't anti science?
It's referring to a quote that was posted in the last Congress thread. He was lamenting that there weren't more STEM people in congress because hurgle-lawyers are terrible-blurgle.
Rand Paul is, of course, an M.D. not a lawyer (or STEM for that matter).
Medical doctors tend to get lumped into the "S" bit. But, the point is that when it comes to making laws, you want to have people who know how to make laws doing it.
There's also a bit of techies discounting other skillsets as well, but that's a topic for another thread.
Nowadays we're electing people who don't even know how to do that.
Ideally you want as your lawmakers people who know how law works AND are willing to listen to experts in other fields when they don't understand that field. I want lawyers-turned-politicians drafting my laws, but I don't want them to be writing climate change legislation based on input from the Westboro Baptist Church. I want them to write their Climate Change legislation based on input from, you know, PEOPLE WHO STUDY CLIMATE CHANGE.
One of Newt's gifts to America that keep on giving.
In essence, the new law "replaces uncertainty with confusion," says David Lifson, an accountant at Crowe Horwath in New York. "Only tax wizards can understand the entirety, especially for people earning between $200,000 and $450,000."
Oh no! Only tax accountants will be able to understand how the law works for people who make enough money to almost always have their taxes prepared by tax accountants!
In other news, sending a man into space is so complicated you practically have to be a rocket scientist movie director to understand it.
I know the cost of living varies from place to place in the US, but isn't it pretty safe to assume if you make over 200k a year, and you're having a problem with your taxes, that you are the problem?
To be fair, if you're in NYC you're paying an absurd amount in taxes+Cost of living, BUT 200k is definitely enough to live comfortably on, barring absurd debts etc.
If you're making 200k, you can move out of NYC and into a reasonably priced suburb. I understand that you WANT that apartment on Park, but you don't NEED it.
"You can just move"/"You don't need it" are arguments that never lead to anywhere constructive.
Neither does acting like NYC is the center of the universe.
I think we can all agree, that while your money doesn't go anywhere near as far in San Francisco or New York, people earning what those in that picture are are wealthy wherever they live. Yes, a family on 200k in new York have it harder in terms of many costs than a family earning the same in Iowa, but its still a lot of cash. And once you get a bit above that the 'increasing returns' effect makes you reach quite quickly.
Yeah, as a San Franciscan, the single working mother's $260k (let's not go into how few single working moms make over a quarter million a year) won't get her a mansion like it would in less expensive areas, but it'll get her a very nice apartment with spectacular views and lots of amenities in a tony neighborhood with good local schools (assuming the kids aren't going to private schools).
Like, you're supposed to spend 30% on housing max, so I took 30% of her $187k after tax income and divided by 12 to get her limit of $4675/mo. Finding a really nice place on that budget (or significantly less) is not difficult. And that's if and only if she wants to live in one of the most expensive areas in one of the most expensive cities in the country. If she's willing to degrade herself so far as to live in a nice middle-class neighborhood, she can have still more.
The single woman's $230k for a 1 or 2 bedroom is even more ridiculous. And what "retired couple" is still pulling down a six figure income outside of their investments?
I submitted an entry to Lego Ideas, and if 10,000 people support me, it'll be turned into an actual Lego set!If you'd like to see and support my submission, follow this link.
If that amendment somehow got passed the first thing republicans would do is start collecting unemployment checks, food stamps, and abusing all other programs designed specifically for poor people, then blame democrats.
These entitlement programs are a pox on our great society but I would be a fool not to take advantage of them.
That is literally what a Republican who is anti-medicaid, but signs all of his foster children up for medicaid said.
It's a common vein I see all the time. Usually when someone goes on and on about entitlements, I ask the person if they took the 1st time home buyers credit when they bought their house. It's always yes. And then they jump through all these rhetorical hoops to justify it. Or, often they don't give a fuck or even see a problem; you can see the greedy look in their eyes. If people are giving out free shit, they're going to take as much of it as possible. It's like that water use by political ideology study that came out a few years ago.
In other news, the house oversight comittee is set to begin phase 25 of the defeat Obamacare battleplan. They're going to try once again to paint failures in a branch of govt. as linking directly back to the white house.
In a letter to two top White House technology officers, Republicans on the House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee said their investigation already points to significant White House involvement in discussions between the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and contractor CGI Federal.
If that amendment somehow got passed the first thing republicans would do is start collecting unemployment checks, food stamps, and abusing all other programs designed specifically for poor people, then blame democrats.
These entitlement programs are a pox on our great society but I would be a fool not to take advantage of them.
That is literally what a Republican who is anti-medicaid, but signs all of his foster children up for medicaid said.
It's a common vein I see all the time. Usually when someone goes on and on about entitlements, I ask the person if they took the 1st time home buyers credit when they bought their house. It's always yes. And then they jump through all these rhetorical hoops to justify it. Or, often they don't give a fuck or even see a problem; you can see the greedy look in their eyes. If people are giving out free shit, they're going to take as much of it as possible. It's like that water use by political ideology study that came out a few years ago.
In other news, the house oversight comittee is set to begin phase 25 of the defeat Obamacare battleplan. They're going to try once again to paint failures in a branch of govt. as linking directly back to the white house.
In a letter to two top White House technology officers, Republicans on the House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee said their investigation already points to significant White House involvement in discussions between the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and contractor CGI Federal.
I have a friend who will rail on and on about welfare cheats and the like.
He's had both of his grandmother's houses transferred into his name before they went into nursing homes. He did it all legally and correctly by living in each place for years and all that but at it's heart it was to protect the asset from the extreme costs of end of life care.
The sad thing is he didn't even get the payday for either of them, those went to his parents somehow.
Still, those who unfairly take advantage of the system are wrong!
Can I get a link to the source of the income photo? Did someone from the GOP actually suggest this as the average wage?
They cherry picked some of the income levels that would be affected by new tax policies and then tried to frame their 'examples' as somehow middle class. Absurd when most were around a quarter million a year, and the family with 4 kids made over a half a goddamn million. What's that? Your yearly retirement income would pay off my house? And you have investment income? Abloo.
Can I get a link to the source of the income photo? Did someone from the GOP actually suggest this as the average wage?
They cherry picked some of the income levels that would be affected by new tax policies and then tried to frame their 'examples' as somehow middle class. Absurd when most were around a quarter million a year, and the family with 4 kids made over a half a goddamn million. What's that? Your yearly retirement income would pay off my house? And you have investment income? Abloo.
Pretty sure they all have investment income to highlight the increase in Capital Gains tax.
To move away from our usual Two Minute Republican Hate, Salon has an interesting piece on the brewing Democratic primary in CA-17, Silicon Valley's home district.
Can I get a link to the source of the income photo? Did someone from the GOP actually suggest this as the average wage?
They cherry picked some of the income levels that would be affected by new tax policies and then tried to frame their 'examples' as somehow middle class. Absurd when most were around a quarter million a year, and the family with 4 kids made over a half a goddamn million. What's that? Your yearly retirement income would pay off my house? And you have investment income? Abloo.
Pretty sure they all have investment income to highlight the increase in Capital Gains tax.
To move away from our usual Two Minute Republican Hate, Salon has an interesting piece on the brewing Democratic primary in CA-17, Silicon Valley's home district.
Fucking hipsters; not content to simply hire lobbyists they decide they need to elect one.
To move away from our usual Two Minute Republican Hate, Salon has an interesting piece on the brewing Democratic primary in CA-17, Silicon Valley's home district.
“There is a sense in the Valley,” says Khanna, “amongst technology leaders and thinkers, that Congress is broken.” As just the latest example, he plucks a headline from the week’s news, and scoffs at the rollout of Healthcare.gov.
“Fourteen million people go on the website and few people can actually enroll. That’s crazy. That would never happen in Silicon Valley.”
Annnd no. No one, silicon valley or anywhere else, is going to roll out a website on that massive of a scale and not have problems.
Not only that, he's a corporate tax hawk. (Using Mitt Romney's favorite paradox about lowering rates but removing loopholes.)
To move away from our usual Two Minute Republican Hate, Salon has an interesting piece on the brewing Democratic primary in CA-17, Silicon Valley's home district.
“There is a sense in the Valley,” says Khanna, “amongst technology leaders and thinkers, that Congress is broken.” As just the latest example, he plucks a headline from the week’s news, and scoffs at the rollout of Healthcare.gov.
“Fourteen million people go on the website and few people can actually enroll. That’s crazy. That would never happen in Silicon Valley.”
Annnd no. No one, silicon valley or anywhere else, is going to roll out a website on that massive of a scale and not have problems.
Not only that, he's a corporate tax hawk. (Using Mitt Romney's favorite paradox about lowering rates but removing loopholes.)
If only he could find examples of big-time roll outs of software that didn't go as the developers expected causing users to flip out. If only.
I was actually intrigued because on first blush it seemed like ok, here's a guy who I can actually get behind. A young cat coming out of silicon valley; he's probably going to be really big on reforming patent law, IP, digital rights. Likely against the NSA spying and defining what digital privacy means in the coming decades. Finally a voice against the all the giant moneyed interests lording over their vast estates of IP and hoarded patents.
But nope.
Those bastards can't see far enough past their checkbooks to support anyone but a guy who wants to lower their tax rates and make it easier to for them to import cheap foreign workers into the US.
+3
jmcdonaldI voted, did you?DC(ish)Registered Userregular
I was actually intrigued because on first blush it seemed like ok, here's a guy who I can actually get behind. A young cat coming out of silicon valley; he's probably going to be really big on reforming patent law, IP, digital rights. Likely against the NSA spying and defining what digital privacy means in the coming decades. Finally a voice against the all the giant moneyed interests lording over their vast estates of IP and hoarded patents.
But nope.
Those bastards can't see far enough past their checkbooks to support anyone but a guy who wants to lower their tax rates and make it easier to for them to import cheap foreign workers into the US.
The sad part is that the jungle primary system will give him more of an edge than he deserves.
If that amendment somehow got passed the first thing republicans would do is start collecting unemployment checks, food stamps, and abusing all other programs designed specifically for poor people, then blame democrats.
These entitlement programs are a pox on our great society but I would be a fool not to take advantage of them.
That is literally what a Republican who is anti-medicaid, but signs all of his foster children up for medicaid said.
It's a common vein I see all the time. Usually when someone goes on and on about entitlements, I ask the person if they took the 1st time home buyers credit when they bought their house. It's always yes. And then they jump through all these rhetorical hoops to justify it. Or, often they don't give a fuck or even see a problem; you can see the greedy look in their eyes. If people are giving out free shit, they're going to take as much of it as possible. It's like that water use by political ideology study that came out a few years ago.
In other news, the house oversight comittee is set to begin phase 25 of the defeat Obamacare battleplan. They're going to try once again to paint failures in a branch of govt. as linking directly back to the white house.
In a letter to two top White House technology officers, Republicans on the House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee said their investigation already points to significant White House involvement in discussions between the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and contractor CGI Federal.
The argument is kind of a non starter, because the legitimate answer is "Well of course I did, I helped pay for it", but still wouldnt support keeping it around. The argument they have always made is that there exists a large group of people who do not pay _anything_ but _live_ off of such money. Which peaked with a presidential candidate and party trying to convince america that 47% are like this.
The argument is kind of a non starter, because the legitimate answer is "Well of course I did, I helped pay for it", but still wouldnt support keeping it around
It is. But it's a lot of fun to poke holes in the principled stands these people always like to put on. (Turns out the real world is complicated and grey) The credit is a great one to do it with since most don't even consider it an entitlement. Also, just to be fair, saying you paid for it is like telling a cop you pay his salary. You paid some small percent vs. what you're getting back in benefits; it's certainly not 1 to 1.
If that amendment somehow got passed the first thing republicans would do is start collecting unemployment checks, food stamps, and abusing all other programs designed specifically for poor people, then blame democrats.
These entitlement programs are a pox on our great society but I would be a fool not to take advantage of them.
That is literally what a Republican who is anti-medicaid, but signs all of his foster children up for medicaid said.
It's a common vein I see all the time. Usually when someone goes on and on about entitlements, I ask the person if they took the 1st time home buyers credit when they bought their house. It's always yes. And then they jump through all these rhetorical hoops to justify it. Or, often they don't give a fuck or even see a problem; you can see the greedy look in their eyes. If people are giving out free shit, they're going to take as much of it as possible. It's like that water use by political ideology study that came out a few years ago.
In other news, the house oversight comittee is set to begin phase 25 of the defeat Obamacare battleplan. They're going to try once again to paint failures in a branch of govt. as linking directly back to the white house.
In a letter to two top White House technology officers, Republicans on the House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee said their investigation already points to significant White House involvement in discussions between the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and contractor CGI Federal.
The argument is kind of a non starter, because the legitimate answer is "Well of course I did, I helped pay for it", but still wouldnt support keeping it around. The argument they have always made is that there exists a large group of people who do not pay _anything_ but _live_ off of such money. Which peaked with a presidential candidate and party trying to convince america that 47% are like this.
It's true, though. Only the homeless have managed to get out of paying property taxes.
The Energy and Commerce Committee asked John McAfee for a consultation about the website. He was last seen a fugitive from justice under suspicion of murder in Belize, so that's par for the course?
Plus, he's incompetent, but the murder thing seems more politically salient.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
+4
ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
I mean, if you're going to be the crazy party, you may as well get crazy advisors.
The Energy and Commerce Committee asked John McAfee for a consultation about the website. He was last seen a fugitive from justice under suspicion of murder in Belize, so that's par for the course?
Plus, he's incompetent, but the murder thing seems more politically salient.
No....you must be joking.
+4
ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
The Energy and Commerce Committee asked John McAfee for a consultation about the website. He was last seen a fugitive from justice under suspicion of murder in Belize, so that's par for the course?
Plus, he's incompetent, but the murder thing seems more politically salient.
The Energy and Commerce Committee asked John McAfee for a consultation about the website. He was last seen a fugitive from justice under suspicion of murder in Belize, so that's par for the course?
Plus, he's incompetent, but the murder thing seems more politically salient.
Do we have an extradition agreement with Belize? Maybe it was a cunning plan?
The Energy and Commerce Committee asked John McAfee for a consultation about the website. He was last seen a fugitive from justice under suspicion of murder in Belize, so that's par for the course?
Plus, he's incompetent, but the murder thing seems more politically salient.
"My advice would be: Throw it away, and start over," McAfee said. "You cannot fix the system that's there. It is impossible, the way it is architected, any good programmer will tell you, it's just not going to work... It will never work the way that it is."
Well...
He'd know. :bz
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
McAfee's version of healthcare.gov would be a client side installation that uses 87% of your system memory and brings quad-core CPUs grinding to a halt. Once a month it would phone home to a server and downloads a 34 GB file with the latest updates to every health insurance policy in America. Then it wouldn't let you sign up for a plan until you activated a Free Trial that inexplicably bills you $39.95 a month.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
+11
ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
McAfee's version of healthcare.gov would be a client side installation that uses 87% of your system memory and brings quad-core CPUs grinding to a halt. Once a month it would phone home to a server and downloads a 34 GB file with the latest updates to every health insurance policy in America. Then it wouldn't let you sign up for a plan until you activated a Free Trial that inexplicably bills you $39.95 a month.
McAfee's version of healthcare.gov would be a client side installation that uses 87% of your system memory and brings quad-core CPUs grinding to a halt. Once a month it would phone home to a server and downloads a 34 GB file with the latest updates to every health insurance policy in America. Then it wouldn't let you sign up for a plan until you activated a Free Trial that inexplicably bills you $39.95 a month.
It looks like you have lupus
Click okay for treatment
<X> Yes I want to install the Ask.com pancreas
You have clicked "yes" indicating you have signed up for a death panel.
Paul seeks to go a step further and amend the Constitution so that “Congress shall make no law applicable to a citizen of the United States that is not equally applicable to Congress,” the executive branch including the president and vice president as well as the Supreme Court.
Besides being a stupid publicity stunt, it is so poorly written that it would mean that Congress gets all the benefits ever given to any citizen.
Wow, and here I thought the Florida law that made computers illegal was poorly written.
It's yet more evidence as to why Dr. Tyson was horribly, horribly wrong.
Out of curiosity: Of what?
Is this about the time Tyson said Republicans aren't anti science?
It's referring to a quote that was posted in the last Congress thread. He was lamenting that there weren't more STEM people in congress because hurgle-lawyers are terrible-blurgle.
Rand Paul is, of course, an M.D. not a lawyer (or STEM for that matter).
Medical doctors tend to get lumped into the "S" bit. But, the point is that when it comes to making laws, you want to have people who know how to make laws doing it.
There's also a bit of techies discounting other skillsets as well, but that's a topic for another thread.
Nowadays we're electing people who don't even know how to do that.
Ideally you want as your lawmakers people who know how law works AND are willing to listen to experts in other fields when they don't understand that field. I want lawyers-turned-politicians drafting my laws, but I don't want them to be writing climate change legislation based on input from the Westboro Baptist Church. I want them to write their Climate Change legislation based on input from, you know, PEOPLE WHO STUDY CLIMATE CHANGE.
One of Newt's gifts to America that keep on giving.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) on Sunday criticized Republicans for not being willing to negotiate with President Obama in the aftermath of the shutdown fight, recounting a confrontation one lawmaker had with the president during talks to reopen the government.
Durbin wrote on Facebook that one Republican House leader told Obama in a meeting, "I cannot even stand to look at you."
Posts
One of Newt's gifts to America that keep on giving.
Office of Technology Assessment - Closed 1995.
Gingrich and the destruction of Congressional Expertise
The climate has a well known liberal bias.
Also, the atmosphere, the ocean, trees, ice sheets, and post-birth children
It’s not a very important country most of the time
http://steamcommunity.com/id/mortious
Just outsource the boring part to ALEC.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Like, you're supposed to spend 30% on housing max, so I took 30% of her $187k after tax income and divided by 12 to get her limit of $4675/mo. Finding a really nice place on that budget (or significantly less) is not difficult. And that's if and only if she wants to live in one of the most expensive areas in one of the most expensive cities in the country. If she's willing to degrade herself so far as to live in a nice middle-class neighborhood, she can have still more.
The single woman's $230k for a 1 or 2 bedroom is even more ridiculous. And what "retired couple" is still pulling down a six figure income outside of their investments?
:?:
It's a common vein I see all the time. Usually when someone goes on and on about entitlements, I ask the person if they took the 1st time home buyers credit when they bought their house. It's always yes. And then they jump through all these rhetorical hoops to justify it. Or, often they don't give a fuck or even see a problem; you can see the greedy look in their eyes. If people are giving out free shit, they're going to take as much of it as possible. It's like that water use by political ideology study that came out a few years ago.
In other news, the house oversight comittee is set to begin phase 25 of the defeat Obamacare battleplan. They're going to try once again to paint failures in a branch of govt. as linking directly back to the white house.
http://news.yahoo.com/house-republicans-probe-white-house-role-health-care-160320409--sector.html
It's from the Wall Street Journal.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323689604578220132665726040
I have a friend who will rail on and on about welfare cheats and the like.
He's had both of his grandmother's houses transferred into his name before they went into nursing homes. He did it all legally and correctly by living in each place for years and all that but at it's heart it was to protect the asset from the extreme costs of end of life care.
The sad thing is he didn't even get the payday for either of them, those went to his parents somehow.
Still, those who unfairly take advantage of the system are wrong!
They cherry picked some of the income levels that would be affected by new tax policies and then tried to frame their 'examples' as somehow middle class. Absurd when most were around a quarter million a year, and the family with 4 kids made over a half a goddamn million. What's that? Your yearly retirement income would pay off my house? And you have investment income? Abloo.
Pretty sure they all have investment income to highlight the increase in Capital Gains tax.
Doesn't everybody?
Fucking hipsters; not content to simply hire lobbyists they decide they need to elect one.
Annnd no. No one, silicon valley or anywhere else, is going to roll out a website on that massive of a scale and not have problems.
Not only that, he's a corporate tax hawk. (Using Mitt Romney's favorite paradox about lowering rates but removing loopholes.)
If only he could find examples of big-time roll outs of software that didn't go as the developers expected causing users to flip out. If only.
But nope.
Those bastards can't see far enough past their checkbooks to support anyone but a guy who wants to lower their tax rates and make it easier to for them to import cheap foreign workers into the US.
fixed that for you
The sad part is that the jungle primary system will give him more of an edge than he deserves.
The argument is kind of a non starter, because the legitimate answer is "Well of course I did, I helped pay for it", but still wouldnt support keeping it around. The argument they have always made is that there exists a large group of people who do not pay _anything_ but _live_ off of such money. Which peaked with a presidential candidate and party trying to convince america that 47% are like this.
It is. But it's a lot of fun to poke holes in the principled stands these people always like to put on. (Turns out the real world is complicated and grey) The credit is a great one to do it with since most don't even consider it an entitlement. Also, just to be fair, saying you paid for it is like telling a cop you pay his salary. You paid some small percent vs. what you're getting back in benefits; it's certainly not 1 to 1.
It's true, though. Only the homeless have managed to get out of paying property taxes.
Plus, he's incompetent, but the murder thing seems more politically salient.
No....you must be joking.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/house-committee-wanted-terry-mcafee-to-examine-obamacare-rollout
Do we have an extradition agreement with Belize? Maybe it was a cunning plan?
That would explain why healthcare.gov acted like it was written by the mycleanpc.com guys...
OH MY GOD!
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
Well...
He'd know. :bz
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
It looks like you have lupus
Click okay for treatment
<X> Yes I want to install the Ask.com pancreas
You have clicked "yes" indicating you have signed up for a death panel.
Well that's fucking depressing. There's probably zero chance of having the OTA ressurected, is there. Because that's what lobbyists are for, right?
So much hate for that man.