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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Bloodsheed wrote: »
    Krautastic wrote: »
    So I built up the 97 civic. 552hp with FWD. I have to keep it in 4th gear from 60mph and up (4th goes to 120) otherwise I can't get grip... with race tires... Its a boatload of fun though.

    Then I realized, where the heck is the fiat abarth?! So I built one of those up. I swapped in the rally motor and AWD. Maxed out everything. Comes to 686pi? Therabouts, just short of 700. But holy cow. We should make a mini series out of that car. Its like a little hill climb beast. Short wheel base + AWD + gobs of horsepower, it is just a hoot to drive around. I'm playing with them on tuesday's lobby :)

    Also, more people should buy trials fusion so eclibull and I aren't so lonely...

    Fiat was too new (it was just 90's cars).

    Hopefully I'll get something up for the next SBC this week since I won't be here next week. The former plans have been derailed by a difference of opinions Michel and I are having on what constitutes "fun" for a full series. I'll at least get some options posted tomorrow and then a list by Wednesday, barring anything coming up.

    Gasp.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Thanks for reading that more closely than I did, Knight. Got a nice chuckle out of the highlight.

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    I've seen worse.


    Oh, you mean real racing. Never mind.

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    MegaPureiboiMegaPureiboi Registered User regular
    What that video didn't show was that when he pulled into the pits he overshot the pit stall a little and left the car in gear when he got out. It took them a while to get the car backed up so they could refuel. Also, before he got into the car they were in 2nd, when he got out they were ~25th.

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    BloodsheedBloodsheed Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Okay! These are going to be pretty basic since I don't have much time this week to work on them. That said, Options:

    a - B500. 2000-2009. Street Sport tires. No Width Upgrades, No Aero.
    Michel's idea, going with the debated idea of "Uncontrollable is fun" (which I counter with how much "fun" it was to race around his fucking car on Thursday during the 6 restarts). I think the list would be C class cars (not trucks) in those years. Not my idea of fun, but whatever, if people want to run this, there's a slow Subaru in there that I can at least mildly enjoy.
    EDIT: It'd be this list:
    2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
    2005 BMW M3
    2003 BMW M5 E39
    2000 BMW Z8
    2002 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS
    2005 Dodge SRT4 ACR
    2009 Ford Focus RS
    2007 Ford Shelby GT500
    2000 Ford SVT Cobra R
    2005 Honda NSX-R
    2009 Honda S2000 CR
    2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR
    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
    2003 Nissan Fairlady Z
    2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
    2000 Nissan Sylvia Spec-R
    2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Ram Air
    2003 Renault Sport Clio V6
    2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
    2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
    2003 Volkswagen Golf R32
    If we include B:
    2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
    2008 Aston Martin DBS
    2006 Audi RS 4
    2008 BMW M3 E92
    2002 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06
    2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello
    2008 Ferrari California
    2009 Lexus IS F
    2002 Lotus Esprit V8

    b - The aborted attempt at the Rally series. B class, AWD swap available (with a +15 PI boost if taken to balance). This would be the list:
    1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Stradale
    1983 Audi Sport Quaatro
    1973 BMW 2002 Turbo
    1984 Ferrari GTO
    1977 Ford Escort RS 1800
    1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale
    1982 Lancia 037 Stradale
    1971 Lotus Elan Spirit
    1965 Mini Cooper S
    1970 Nissan Datsun 510
    1971 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R
    1984 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
    1980 Renault 5 Turbo

    c - In (a slightly saner version of) the spirit of the miniseries we're currently doing, D-Class to B-Class. The list of D class non-trucks is a bit too long to post and needs some restrictions/trimming (along with an exhibition night to catch any imbalances), but it'd be the same idea. Get the car to B any way possible. Probably just run Rollcage and Race Tires as mandatory, everything else allowed.

    d - Something other than B. All three options are B class, but I'm open to it if people want a different/faster/slower class. Option c could even be moved around. C-to-A, B-to-S if we're feeling suicidal, hell, could move the year and price restrictions around/remove them from the D-to-A list we're doing now and just do a full series of that since it seems to give a lot of options on how to build your cars.

    Opinions/preferences/objections/ideas are required needed begged for welcome.

    Decisions can be discussed tonight and I'll get a thing written up tomorrow.

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    b or c is alright. I'm perfectly ok with the rally series as long as you don't force non-awd cars to have awd.

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    BloodsheedBloodsheed Registered User regular
    Okay, clarification on option a. It'd be Sport Tires, not Street (which are more agreeable, personally). And for the idea behind it (in a voice less biased against the idea, aka Not Me):

    "The idea behind this is that you're not letting the game do the work for you. You have to sit down and tune the suspension and tires to be driveable and not rely on the physics engine to do all of the hard work."

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    I'd rather not need to tune the suspension and tires and gearbox and aero and brakes and roll bars and....

    I'm lazy.

    But whatever, just tell me what to do and I'll do it.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Maximum wrote: »
    I'd rather not need to tune the suspension and tires and gearbox and aero and brakes and roll bars and....

    I'm lazy.

    But whatever, just tell me what to do and I'll do it.
    Then don't. I don't.

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    KrautasticKrautastic Registered User regular
    I like B (biased) and C (I could run the uberfiat or uber-mini!).

    A is ok, but I'd rather not mix street cars with supercars. Cars that have high PI's to begin with are typically sport/super cars whose inherent suspension design is taken into account in forza. They handle better than anything you can upgrade a street car to be, but I do like the idea of a run-whatcha-brung series.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    I feel like A is a lot less 'not controllable' than it's being given credit for, but maybe that's because I'm "that guy". In any case, I'm fine with it. C is also okay as it's just different. B and D are a bit 'meh' for me, although B is partially because I can't be bothered to do much in the rally vein, and partially because it feels like we're lacking good tracks for it.

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    MegaPureiboiMegaPureiboi Registered User regular
    I'm liking the A idea but with width upgrades, drop the "If we include B" section.
    I also think a series of hatchback/sedans on the lighter end of things (FWD or RWD) in C or B class, no engine or drivetrain upgrades could be fun. Go for more of a touring car setup.
    We just need to make sure the list or cars are all close to each other before upgrades to insure a good balance.

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    BloodsheedBloodsheed Registered User regular
    Okay, in attempting to prune the D class list for option c I can not find a batch that is... compelling.

    For those interested, here is the complete D list:
    2010 Abarth 500 esseesse
    2013 Abarth Punto Supersport
    2001 Acura Integra Type-R
    2002 Acura RSX Type-S
    1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Stradale
    1986 Alfa Romeo Spider Quadrifoglio Verde
    1971 AMC Javelin-AMX
    1964 Aston Martin DB5 Vantage
    1973 BMW 2002 Turbo
    1991 BMW M3
    1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe
    1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
    1979 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
    1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
    1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS-454
    1960 Chevrolet Corvette C1
    1967 Chevrolet Corvette C2 Stingray 427
    1970 Chevrolet Corvette C3 ZR-1
    1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454
    1964 Chevrolet Impala SS 409
    1966 Chevrolet Nova SS
    1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396
    2011 Citroen DS3 Racing
    1970 Dodge Challenger R/T
    1969 Dodge Charger R/T
    1998 Eagle Talon TSi Turbo
    1957 Ferrari 250 California
    1957 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa
    1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT
    1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth
    1977 Ford Escort RS1800
    2014 Ford Fiesta ST
    1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302
    1965 Ford Mustang GT Coupe
    1971 Ford Mustang Mach 1
    1993 Ford SVT Cobra R
    1984 Honda Civic CRX Mugen
    2014 Honda Civic Si
    1997 Honda Civic Type R
    2004 Honda Civic Type-R
    2007 Honda Civic Type-R
    1994 Honda Prelude Si
    2012 Hyundai Veloster Turbo
    1961 Jaguar E-type S1
    2011 Kia cee'd
    1971 Lotus Elan Sprint
    1994 Mazda MX-5 Miata
    2013 Mazda MX-5 Miata
    1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE
    1954 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing Coupe
    1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
    2009 MINI Cooper John Works
    1965 MINI Cooper S
    1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
    1993 Nissan 240SX SE
    1970 Nissan Datsun 510
    1969 Nissan Fairlady Z 432
    1971 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R
    1968 Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds 442
    2011 Peugeot 308 GTI
    1971 Plymouth Cuda 426 Hemi
    1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
    1977 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
    1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA
    1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans AM SD-455
    1969 Pontiac GTO Judge
    2012 Scion TC
    2013 Subaru BRZ
    1992 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST185
    1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205
    2003 Toyota Celica SS-I
    2013 Toyota GT86
    1989 Toyota MR2 SC
    1985 Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT Apex
    1963 Volkswagen Beetle
    1995 Volkswagen Corrado VR6
    1992 Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v Mk2
    1984 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI
    1981 Volkswagen Scirocco S

    So if we do c (D Class To B Class) it'd just be that entire list and hope to god exhibition cleans it up.

    It may not matter though as it's looking like a might be the most "okay" of the bunch (4 "okay/alrights" to 3 for c)? I'm more okay with it as Sport tires instead of the original Street, so that's fine. We can nail it down tonight.

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    bleh. oh well, a is ok i guess with sport, i'd rather have race as that's a pretty big jump for a lot of cars with tiny tires, but shrug.

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    I might be going out for drinks after work, so if you don't see me at the start time, just go ahead and go.

    It's been such a crazy week that I haven't even had a chance to boot up my Xbox since last Thursday.

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    HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Whelp, I caved and will soon be one of you. Was able to snag a xbone and forza 5 on the cheap (although sadly they have to be delivered). I love me some Forza although I am a little unsure about 5. What do I need to know! Also is there a season pass again or VIP or whatever? worth it? etc

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    BloodsheedBloodsheed Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Whelp, I caved and will soon be one of you. Was able to snag a xbone and forza 5 on the cheap (although sadly they have to be delivered). I love me some Forza although I am a little unsure about 5. What do I need to know! Also is there a season pass again or VIP or whatever? worth it? etc

    First thing, since it sounds like you've played a Forza before, is head over to forzamotorsport.net , sign in with your Xbox stuff and click on "Rewards". That'll give you some free credits in game (you can do this before the game even gets there), and will do so every month, the amount depending on how much Forza of any number/kind you've played.
    We also have a drivers list (see my sig/the OP). You can add your name there or just follow/friend the people on it and it'll give you a set of Drivatars to hate that aren't just random mooks from the internet, so you'll know where to find us to scream for your revenge. It's also how to get in on multiplayer races with us, if you are interested.
    There is a Season Pass, it's worth is dependent on if you like the DLC offerings. VIP comes with a few nice cars and, slightly more importantly, doubles the amount of credits you get every time you level up. If you want to go VIP, go early. All DLC now includes the cars for free, instead of having to buy them in-game with credits.

    Now, for those interested/participating in the SBC, here is what we'll be doing, starting a week from Thursday (the 15th of May):
    Penny Arcade
    Serious Business Cup: Forza 5 Season 3

    4 Week (+one Exhibition) Series, 2-3 races per week happening back to back on Thursday nights
    Cars: Pick a car from the following list and upgrade/tune to a PI of B600.
    Acura-
    2001 Integra Type-R
    2002 RSX Type-S
    BMW-
    2005 M3
    2003 M5 E39
    2000 Z8
    Chevrolet-
    2002 Camaro 35th Anniversary SS
    Dodge-
    2005 SRT4 ACR
    Ford-
    2009 Focus RS
    2007 Shelby GT500
    2000 SVT Cobra R
    Honda-
    2004 Civic Type-R
    2007 Civic Type-R
    2005 NSX-R
    2009 S2000 CR
    MINI-
    2009 Cooper John Works
    Mitsubishi-
    2004 Lancer Evolution VIII MR
    2008 Lancer Evolution X GSR
    Nissan-
    2003 Fairlady Z
    2002 Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
    2000 Sylvia Spec-R
    Pontiac-
    2002 Firebird Trans Am Ram Air
    Renault-
    2003 Sport Clio V6
    Subaru-
    2004 Impreza WRX STi
    2005 Impreza WRX STI
    2008 Impreza WRX STI
    Toyota-
    2003 Celica SS-I
    Volkswagen-
    2003 Golf R32

    Requirements and Regulations:
    All cars MUST include the following: Race Roll Cage, Sport Tires
    The following upgrades are NOT allowed: Adjustable Aero
    1 Mandatory Pit per-race, to be taken on any lap outside of the 1st or last laps (unless the race lap count is under 10, at which point the pit is available on the 1st lap).
    PI will be adjusted on a weekly, per driver basis. Car choices are locked after the first non-exhibition race without group permissions/special situations.

    Schedule:
    Start Time: 9pm Eastern, starting Thursday, May 15th (please try to arrive early for smoothest possible start)
    Exhibition- May 15th Exhibition will not be worth points in the standings. PI will be adjusted following it.
    TBA

    Note, that in a change from the original option, tire width upgrades will be allowed (just so that no one is happy, huzzah to compromise!) and D class cars from 2000-2009 have been added as available options. OP will be updated with this later today. Schedule will be drawn up at the end of next week after I get back in town.

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    BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    I finally have photographic evidence in case you guys never believed me

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
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    RderdallRderdall Registered User regular
    lol, black but

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    MegaPureiboiMegaPureiboi Registered User regular
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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    Oh no, the Ford Coupe is back.

    DTM M3 is cool though. Even if not as cool as the E92 M3 GT2.

    Love poking on the official forums after these come out and reading how much whining there is that every car isn't new to Forza. Delicious complaining.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Some of them are certainly forgettable. I wouldn't care if the V12 Zagato wasn't there, and I really don't think much of the DBR1 either. Cars like that we don't tend to do a whole lot with, you know?

    The pack overall does very little for me. This is a damn shame, because that Alfa is cool, but GOD DAMN that RX-3. <3

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    acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    and typically the RX-3 is the only thing that interests me from the pack. I guess kindasorta the Alfa too, but that's from the "I do cocaine" phase of Alfa development.

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Shrug, we could just do more of these open ended D to whatever classes with less year restrictions, because the DBR1 and all the race cars from that era are usually a blast to drive while also looking incredible.

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    KrautasticKrautastic Registered User regular
    B501 or C500? or B600?

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    KrautasticKrautastic Registered User regular
    I assume you meant B600, since the M5 with sport tires is 513, with no other mods-

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    KrautasticKrautastic Registered User regular
    Hat trick!

    I built a silvia and fell in love. Drives wonderfully. Its built to B600... and it looks like that was your intention. So I will be driving the silvia in the upcoming series.

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    BloodsheedBloodsheed Registered User regular
    Krautastic wrote: »
    Hat trick!

    I built a silvia and fell in love. Drives wonderfully. Its built to B600... and it looks like that was your intention. So I will be driving the silvia in the upcoming series.

    Yeah, I was in a rush when I wrote everything up and couldn't remember the PI# for the top of B. I was also out of town with limited net and just made it home, it is fixed in the OP.

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    KrautasticKrautastic Registered User regular
    hokay. We raced some cars yesterday. They were close. It was fun. Then we decided to all buy a car in the lobby, and auto-upgrade it in the lobby and race the results. It was pretty entertaining :smiley:

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Krautastic wrote: »
    hokay. We raced some cars yesterday. They were close. It was fun. Then we decided to all buy a car in the lobby, and auto-upgrade it in the lobby and race the results. It was pretty entertaining :smiley:

    Some say the C63 AMG Black never stopped spinning, on and on into eternity.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
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    Kestrel1Kestrel1 falco sparverius Noblesville, INRegistered User regular
    Now that I'm back from vacation, I'm up for some more racing. Debating the Focus, WRX, or just going full stupid and taking the Trans Am.

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    BloodsheedBloodsheed Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    I'm going to draw up the schedule later today tomorrow (once I figure what tracks to use as Exhibition).

    Looking at the timing though, the final week will probably something like:

    Week 4 - June 12th
    Race ? - Spa or something - Laps: TBD
    Final Race - ??? - Laps: TBD - Because I Bolieve, 2 of you got that one... 'burlieve, because it sort rhymes with oh forget it... believe!

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    BloodsheedBloodsheed Registered User regular
    Alright, got the line up figured out. Race 10 track selection is obviously dependent if Knight/Our hopes and dreams end up right about E3/'ring GP timing.

    Schedule:
    Start Time: 9pm Eastern, starting Thursday, May 15th (please try to arrive early for smoothest possible start)
    Exhibition- May 15th Exhibition will not be worth points in the standings. PI will be adjusted following it.
    Exhibition RACE 1: Long Beach East - Laps: 16
    Exhibition RACE 2: Circuit de Catalunya National Circuit - Laps: 8
    Exhibition RACE 3: Bernese Alps Festival Reverse - Laps: 8
    Week 1: May 22
    RACE 1: Silverstone Grand Prix Circuit - Laps: TBD
    RACE 2: Mount Panorama Circuit (Bathurst) - Laps: TBD
    RACE 3: Road Atlanta Full - Laps: TBD
    Week 2: May 29
    RACE 4: Indianapolis Grand Prix - Laps: TBD
    RACE 5: Road America Full - Laps: TBD
    Week 3: June 5th
    RACE 6: Long Beach Full - Laps: TBD
    RACE 7: Le Mans La Sarthe - Laps: TBD
    RACE 8: Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - Laps: TBD
    Week 4: June 12th
    RACE 9: Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps - Laps: TBD
    RACE 10: ??? - Laps: TBD

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    MegaPureiboiMegaPureiboi Registered User regular
    which Le Mans layout?

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    which Le Mans layout?

    La Sarthe!

    Edit: by which I assume new mulsanne because old mulsanne would be different. and also a nightmare in b.

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