i like this show, but that last episode was definitely a little bit bad.
they have a dead clone of the perp, eye witnesses (who are cops) to the perp's clones trying to kill the psychic witness girl, and for some reason, they still think the perp is going to get off the hook if the witness girl dies? really? you mean this dead, illegal clone of the perp holding a machine gun and trying to kill the cops and the last suriving witness isnt enough evidence to get the perp some jail time? cmon...
also, i think the writers need to step back and approach the show a little bit more holistically. for example, in the hostage episode, it's been established that there is technology that can create really, really deceptive facemasks. if that's the case, why would the cops be surprised to hear that the killer is the perp (in custody)? when they were having that roundtable, why were clones the only thing mentioned? why not the facemasks?
again, i think the writers need to set out ALL of the tech they believe exists in the show, then write around that. otherwise, there are going to be too many gaps and the world falls apart.
I agree with you for the most part.
Although with the facemasks thing, maybe I'm mis-remembering but I think they did actually mention that as a possibility but had to discard it when they realized that the vocal samples matched up exactly, which were supposedly impossible to duplicate. So since the vocal analysis showed a perfect match, meaning they had identical DNA, the only other options were either a twin or a clone.
I think you're right though, if they're constantly creating new tech all the time, a number of contradictions could pop up down the line which will be difficult to reconcile. They've already introduced a ton of great concepts, now they just need to work with what they've already given us.
i like this show, but that last episode was definitely a little bit bad.
they have a dead clone of the perp, eye witnesses (who are cops) to the perp's clones trying to kill the psychic witness girl, and for some reason, they still think the perp is going to get off the hook if the witness girl dies? really? you mean this dead, illegal clone of the perp holding a machine gun and trying to kill the cops and the last suriving witness isnt enough evidence to get the perp some jail time? cmon...
also, i think the writers need to step back and approach the show a little bit more holistically. for example, in the hostage episode, it's been established that there is technology that can create really, really deceptive facemasks. if that's the case, why would the cops be surprised to hear that the killer is the perp (in custody)? when they were having that roundtable, why were clones the only thing mentioned? why not the facemasks?
again, i think the writers need to set out ALL of the tech they believe exists in the show, then write around that. otherwise, there are going to be too many gaps and the world falls apart.
I think that the problem is that while it's illegal to make clones or keep clones, it's not illegal to get cloned without your knowledge (in that instance, the clonee would be the victim of a crime perpetrated by the cloner). So they needed to establish that the guy they had in jail knew about the clones and was working with them, otherwise any lawyer could make an argument to the effect that the eye witness was mistaken, and had seen an illegal clone committing murder to frame the original, and the original didn't know anything about it.
And, since you've already killed the clone, it's hard to refute the story. With no witnesses and a firmly established alibi, it's hard to get past a reasonable doubt.
As for the magic face masks that could fool the drones... don't have an answer for why that wasn't brought up. Maybe they covered it with the recorder investigation?
I'm hopeful that this show passes the FOX filter. I'm a fan of it, but don't trust FOX with SciFi. They were able to turn around Fringe and keep it on the air.
I've watched all of the aired episodes so far and like it a lot.
My only complaint about last episode was that the clones didn't look they were 20 years younger than he was (which the female detective found out in the cabin) and how they became so good with weapons and being criminals. They acted like veteran career criminals with tactics and strategies I'd expect from former soldiers or trained by soldiers. Unless I missed something the latter was never explained.
My only complaint about last episode was that the clones didn't look they were 20 years younger than he was (which the female detective found out in the cabin) and how they became so good with weapons and being criminals. They acted like veteran career criminals with tactics and strategies I'd expect from former soldiers or trained by soldiers. Unless I missed something the latter was never explained.
Well they used science magic to age them up with stem cells and other science magic to mentally age them up
as for facemasks
They specifically ruled out anything other than a clone with the vocal match
So I guess now we know where Dorian lives, with a bunch of Ken dolls. I could not stop laughing for the first five minutes of this episode. My favorite line was when John asked Dorian what he did with that (his robot wang) and Dorrian's response was "the same thing you do with yours, absolutely nothing."
Yeah I loved that bit. Mind you I love the banter between John and Dorian in general. Whoever writes their dialogue is really quite good at witty banter.
Regarding events in this episode:
The whole act of Dorian flipping the car kinda surprised me. I get that androids would be stronger than your typical human, but flipping a car while in motion seems like it'd be awfully difficult even for an android, unless the car was somehow incredibly lightweight. The cloning thing itself wasn't terribly impressive, but I did like that they established how that particular piece of tech is regulated and controlled. It also leads me to wonder, just how advanced biotechnology is in the setting.
There was a prelude to this, they mention the new models can only lift a metric ton. That's why
throwing a moving, armored van is such a what the fuck?. A cargo van (today) is four times that weight, before putting several people inside, and before armoring it.
Also, I hated the "action running bionic man" shot they used right before it.
being able to lift a ton provides plenty of strength to knock a tall vehicle like a van over. You don't have to be able to lift 4 tons to knock over a 4 ton vehicle if you hit it high.
I agree but they made it look like he upended it by lifting it from the bottom. Not knocking it over from the side. Maybe I remember wrong, I'll have to watch that part again.
A van isn't a 4 ton block of steel. The weight is distributed all over the place, almost nothing is in the back end where Dorian hit it. It's not about lifting 4 tons, it's about shifting the center of gravity enough to let it flip itself.
My only complaint about last episode was that the clones didn't look they were 20 years younger than he was (which the female detective found out in the cabin) and how they became so good with weapons and being criminals. They acted like veteran career criminals with tactics and strategies I'd expect from former soldiers or trained by soldiers. Unless I missed something the latter was never explained.
Well they used science magic to age them up with stem cells and other science magic to mentally age them up
as for facemasks
They specifically ruled out anything other than a clone with the vocal match
You know I'm starting to feel that this episode was actually just way too clever in concept, because it seems much better in retrospect from this discussion here.
I think they really needed to work on explaining the legal dimensions of clones committing crimes, because it's a compelling argument
that yeah, a bunch of clones of you killing people doesn't make you guilty, and catching the clones was necessary to establish you did the original murdering or not.
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i like this show, but that last episode was definitely a little bit bad.
they have a dead clone of the perp, eye witnesses (who are cops) to the perp's clones trying to kill the psychic witness girl, and for some reason, they still think the perp is going to get off the hook if the witness girl dies? really? you mean this dead, illegal clone of the perp holding a machine gun and trying to kill the cops and the last suriving witness isnt enough evidence to get the perp some jail time? cmon...
I thought the bolded part alone at least warranted (see what I did there?) an interrogation session with Dredd Kennex. Best part of the episode was the first few minutes when you could see that John was just itching to ask Dorian about "down there." Even though this is billed as a drama, the interaction between those two cracks me up.
I liked the episode, mostly for the character interactions rather than the plot. Hope we get to see more of the psychic girl in future episodes. Plot wise it was kind of mess, the genius murderer was easily tricked, basic investigation was apparently ignored before bringing the case to court. And in the end, the guy is convicted purely based on an eye witness account in an episode that established the murderer had several identical clones. Clones who were already proven to be murderers, with much better motives than the defendant.
It was nice to see Deputy Andy, ironically not an android in this show about androids.
I feel as if tonight's ep was meant to be #2 or #3, but otherwise another solid crime story with some great banter and just a peek at the ethical dilemmas of tomorrow. Which is exactly what I want this show to continue being.
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I was a little worried at first that this episode might be less than stellar early on, but my fears were quickly alleviated as the episode progressed.
I rather liked the bit at the end with the janitor DRN reminiscing about why he missed being a cop. I'll admit I hadn't really thought about why it was that Dorian really wanted to be a cop, but the idea that the job provides some of the most intensely human experiences available was an interesting idea.
I was a little worried at first that this episode might be less than stellar early on, but my fears were quickly alleviated as the episode progressed.
I rather liked the bit at the end with the janitor DRN reminiscing about why he missed being a cop. I'll admit I hadn't really thought about why it was that Dorian really wanted to be a cop, but the idea that the job provides some of the most intensely human experiences available was an interesting idea.
Am I the only one that found it really effed up that
Dorian wiped Janitor-DRN's cop memories after the ride-along? I mean, sure, he let him keep the little kid hug memory, but the whole concept of him being the one to just unilaterally alter the mind of another android seems really wrong. Especially after the way he seemed disturbed at the destruction of the realskin hookerbot.
I was a little worried at first that this episode might be less than stellar early on, but my fears were quickly alleviated as the episode progressed.
I rather liked the bit at the end with the janitor DRN reminiscing about why he missed being a cop. I'll admit I hadn't really thought about why it was that Dorian really wanted to be a cop, but the idea that the job provides some of the most intensely human experiences available was an interesting idea.
Am I the only one that found it really effed up that
Dorian wiped Janitor-DRN's cop memories after the ride-along? I mean, sure, he let him keep the little kid hug memory, but the whole concept of him being the one to just unilaterally alter the mind of another android seems really wrong. Especially after the way he seemed disturbed at the destruction of the realskin hookerbot.
He undid what he gave him, removed his case files that were giving him the equivalent of PTSD. It's unclear if the memory of the child came back with the case files, I guess it is sort of implied when he asked if he still remembered the child. It definitely showed he wasn't meant for the work. In a way putting a being to work in something else like they did is kind of humane, if we want to consider them to be self
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I threw up in my mouth a little bit when that got mentioned.
An amazing episode thought! Terrifying in a way as well. I could see artificial organs being setup to work that way in the future.
I am willing to bet we get a plot of
the DRN's are fine to use as cops and were excellent at their jobs, but :politics and contracts to syndicate controlled company: put the other models in
I feel as if tonight's ep was meant to be #2 or #3, but otherwise another solid crime story with some great banter and just a peek at the ethical dilemmas of tomorrow. Which is exactly what I want this show to continue being.
If the onion is to be believed it was meant to be ep 3.
As far as the end of the ep.
The captain yelled right before that scene, so I'm guessing Dorean was required to mem wipe the other drn. Also the end bit was hilarious and dickish from kennex.
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I feel as if tonight's ep was meant to be #2 or #3, but otherwise another solid crime story with some great banter and just a peek at the ethical dilemmas of tomorrow. Which is exactly what I want this show to continue being.
If the onion is to be believed it was meant to be ep 3.
As far as the end of the ep.
The captain yelled right before that scene, so I'm guessing Dorean was required to mem wipe the other drn. Also the end bit was hilarious and dickish from kennex.
I thought it was going to be DRN saying "Know what would make me feel better?"
Yeah he's definately a dirty harry style people person. Though he gets results. I'm sure there is some traumatic child hood event for kennex burbling below the surface, though I really hope there isn't. Sometimes people can just be dicks.
I have to wonder if Karl Urban is a really warm guy in reality, it would be hilarious as a counterbalance to just about every character he's ever played.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yeah I like to look at his rosters of film, and him taking them going "man, this is going to be fun". I'm looking at you, doom where he played "John Grimm". Everything I have read has put him as a huge nerd. All those sci fi /fantasy roles he's gotten is because he loves the series there from(xena,Dredd, doom, star trek, lord of the rings). Apparently him, Vin Diesel and Judy Dench played D&D together during filming for the second riddick. Talk about a dream team party to play with. If I could be a fly on those walls.
It's hard to not watch this as a Dredd prequel honestly.
I also think the memory wipe was because what's worse? Remembering the dream you can't have or remembering just the pay off (the connection with the kid) I think he did a great thing.
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Not sure I'm a fan of the comedy in the show. Like, I'm okay with most of the back and forth with DRN and Dredd, but the Rube Goldberg stuff was a drone too far.
Really like the show otherwise though, it's entertaining as heck.
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Not sure I'm a fan of the comedy in the show. Like, I'm okay with most of the back and forth with DRN and Dredd, but the Rube Goldberg stuff was a drone too far.
Really like the show otherwise though, it's entertaining as heck.
Well it wasn't so much shared as Dorean clued in that it pissed Kennex off so he did it, nothing more than what children do.
Dorean did that in a previous episode, not long after he was initially woken up. I wonder if it is something that the DRNs do as a self test for their lip / mouth muscles to make sure they can emulate facial expressions (something the DRX don't seem to do).
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For something that's supposed to be combat back-up for cops, those Ken dolls don't seem very sturdy.
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I agree with you for the most part.
I think you're right though, if they're constantly creating new tech all the time, a number of contradictions could pop up down the line which will be difficult to reconcile. They've already introduced a ton of great concepts, now they just need to work with what they've already given us.
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And, since you've already killed the clone, it's hard to refute the story. With no witnesses and a firmly established alibi, it's hard to get past a reasonable doubt.
As for the magic face masks that could fool the drones... don't have an answer for why that wasn't brought up. Maybe they covered it with the recorder investigation?
I've watched all of the aired episodes so far and like it a lot.
Well they used science magic to age them up with stem cells and other science magic to mentally age them up
as for facemasks
A van isn't a 4 ton block of steel. The weight is distributed all over the place, almost nothing is in the back end where Dorian hit it. It's not about lifting 4 tons, it's about shifting the center of gravity enough to let it flip itself.
You know I'm starting to feel that this episode was actually just way too clever in concept, because it seems much better in retrospect from this discussion here.
I think they really needed to work on explaining the legal dimensions of clones committing crimes, because it's a compelling argument
I thought the bolded part alone at least warranted (see what I did there?) an interrogation session with Dredd Kennex. Best part of the episode was the first few minutes when you could see that John was just itching to ask Dorian about "down there." Even though this is billed as a drama, the interaction between those two cracks me up.
It was nice to see Deputy Andy, ironically not an android in this show about androids.
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Am I the only one that found it really effed up that
He undid what he gave him, removed his case files that were giving him the equivalent of PTSD. It's unclear if the memory of the child came back with the case files, I guess it is sort of implied when he asked if he still remembered the child. It definitely showed he wasn't meant for the work. In a way putting a being to work in something else like they did is kind of humane, if we want to consider them to be self
I threw up in my mouth a little bit when that got mentioned.
An amazing episode thought! Terrifying in a way as well. I could see artificial organs being setup to work that way in the future.
I am willing to bet we get a plot of
If the onion is to be believed it was meant to be ep 3.
As far as the end of the ep.
The captain yelled right before that scene, so I'm guessing Dorean was required to mem wipe the other drn. Also the end bit was hilarious and dickish from kennex.
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I thought it was going to be DRN saying "Know what would make me feel better?"
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I think its to juxtapose that Kennex isn't xenophobic(hating the stiff robots), he just hates everyone.
I have to wonder if Karl Urban is a really warm guy in reality, it would be hilarious as a counterbalance to just about every character he's ever played.
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That might not be 100% correct
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I also think the memory wipe was because what's worse? Remembering the dream you can't have or remembering just the pay off (the connection with the kid) I think he did a great thing.
Really like the show otherwise though, it's entertaining as heck.
The man's wearing Chuck Taylors.
No more need be said.
But... that was the best scene!
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the fact that that is a shared quick amongst the DRNs is great, as was Kennex' reaction to it.
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Dorean did that in a previous episode, not long after he was initially woken up. I wonder if it is something that the DRNs do as a self test for their lip / mouth muscles to make sure they can emulate facial expressions (something the DRX don't seem to do).
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The wall seems to be a literal border wall.
His girlfriend mentions it takes six weeks to get back in the country during the pilot