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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    the only system left to explore is Sentry Omega/Virmire

    I drove the mako into the ocean.

    I was past the second gatehouse, had to start over from the beginning

    boo

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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    games that do a bad job checkpointing make me so mad.

    I don't mind dying, but I do mind dying and losing half an hour of progress unless I quicksave like a maniac.

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    I have slightly over 5 million credits.

    Is there something I should have been spending it on?

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    gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    goddamnit, not this argument again

    speaking of, allow me to share my thoughts about the Mass Effect 3 ending
    At least the rest of ME3 was great.

    I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that the rest of it was great

    There are segments and sideplots that are easily some of the best parts of the series, but there's also
    Kai Leng, the ridiculous hamfisted melodrama of the opening scene on Earth, the way that Udina turns traitor for no apparent reason almost immediately after they finally made him sympathetic for the first time ever, the way TIM's character lost any shade of nuance or moral complexity in favor of making him an overt villain, and did I mention Kai Leng?

    It's a genuinely good game if taken on average, but only because the highs outshine the lows so drastically, and I can totally see how going into the ending blind could taint the rest of it for someone

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    StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    So I guess I installed Warframe.

    Time to see what all the fuss was about.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    goddamnit, not this argument again

    speaking of, allow me to share my thoughts about the Mass Effect 3 ending
    At least the rest of ME3 was great.

    I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that the rest of it was great

    There are segments and sideplots that are easily some of the best parts of the series, but there's also
    Kai Leng, the ridiculous hamfisted melodrama of the opening scene on Earth, the way that Udina turns traitor for no apparent reason almost immediately after they finally made him sympathetic for the first time ever, the way TIM's character lost any shade of nuance or moral complexity in favor of making him an overt villain, and did I mention Kai Leng?

    It's a genuinely good game if taken on average, but only because the highs outshine the lows so drastically, and I can totally see how going into the ending blind could taint the rest of it for someone
    I'll give you kai leng, but you were fooling yourself (or are @-tal ) if you thought TIM was any different from the rest of the cerberus jagoffs. Either that, or you were indoctrinated.

    (I may be a bit annoyed that you were never really able to back talk him in 2)

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    I've been downloading the ESO beta for the last days

    I think the beta test will be over before I finish downloading

    ain't missing much

    It was worth downloading for seeing that there is a slider which actually lets you change the size of your character's ass

    If there is a person alive that didn't immediately slide that slider as far to the 'big' side as possible, then I have lost all hope for the future of the human race.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Should be the shorter stuff first: Gone Home and Mark of the Ninja, then either of the remaining two.

    No keyboard recommendations, anyone?

    Doggggg swing by Moes Technology Tavern, there's a whole thread about keyboards in there.

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    UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I've been downloading the ESO beta for the last days

    I think the beta test will be over before I finish downloading

    ain't missing much

    It was worth downloading for seeing that there is a slider which actually lets you change the size of your character's ass

    If there is a person alive that didn't immediately slide that slider as far to the 'big' side as possible, then I have lost all hope for the future of the human race.

    I don't use sliders.

    Our eat sliders.

    Our watch Sliders.

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    gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    goddamnit, not this argument again

    speaking of, allow me to share my thoughts about the Mass Effect 3 ending
    At least the rest of ME3 was great.

    I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that the rest of it was great

    There are segments and sideplots that are easily some of the best parts of the series, but there's also
    Kai Leng, the ridiculous hamfisted melodrama of the opening scene on Earth, the way that Udina turns traitor for no apparent reason almost immediately after they finally made him sympathetic for the first time ever, the way TIM's character lost any shade of nuance or moral complexity in favor of making him an overt villain, and did I mention Kai Leng?

    It's a genuinely good game if taken on average, but only because the highs outshine the lows so drastically, and I can totally see how going into the ending blind could taint the rest of it for someone
    I'll give you kai leng, but you were fooling yourself (or are @-tal ) if you thought TIM was any different from the rest of the cerberus jagoffs. Either that, or you were indoctrinated.

    (I may be a bit annoyed that you were never really able to back talk him in 2)

    TIM is definitely less extreme in his course of action in ME2 than in ME3

    In ME2 he's an ends-justify-the-means ultra-pragmatist but in ME3 he's an unhesitating mass murderer

    Obviously there's an in-setting explanation (indoctrination) but his drastic off-camera switch to the most extreme position possible is just lazy storytelling.

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    existexist Registered User regular
    There is so much more to be bummed out about regarding Mass Effect 3 than just the ending.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Or whitewashing in ME2

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    I started remember me today, it is decently fun

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    so not cooperating with a gang to force the release of a prisoner makes me a renegade
    woo?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    When you put it that way....DA2 is bizarro kotor 2?

    (Rogue squadron 2 was the best game made in under a year.)

    EDIT: apparently 9 months. For a console launch. And they developed sound tools that other games used during that process. And even at the end of the generation, it was still one of the better looking GCN games

    Holy shit.

    Holy fucking shit.

    I had no idea.

    That game looked amazing at the time and I was utterly stunned.


    It quite literally fooled me into thinking the cube had great graphical capability to compete that generation.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    goddamnit, not this argument again

    speaking of, allow me to share my thoughts about the Mass Effect 3 ending
    At least the rest of ME3 was great.

    I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that the rest of it was great

    There are segments and sideplots that are easily some of the best parts of the series, but there's also
    Kai Leng, the ridiculous hamfisted melodrama of the opening scene on Earth, the way that Udina turns traitor for no apparent reason almost immediately after they finally made him sympathetic for the first time ever, the way TIM's character lost any shade of nuance or moral complexity in favor of making him an overt villain, and did I mention Kai Leng?

    It's a genuinely good game if taken on average, but only because the highs outshine the lows so drastically, and I can totally see how going into the ending blind could taint the rest of it for someone

    oh yeah
    Udina was bullshit and changed his character in retrospect to the degree that it's basically a retcon, it annoyed the shit out of me. Did they just want an excuse to shoot him? And/or Kaiden if you missed the first time?

    TIM was kinda annoying that they didn't do more, but really that comes down part and parcel to the shittiness of the ending.

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    the whole Udina thing was completely left field and stupid

    especially since
    Anderson was the one shown to be meeting with random Cerberus operatives in the Shadow Broker videos

    Dongs Galore on
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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    There is a lot in ME3 that is weak

    But that ending did a lot more damage to its overall image than is probably warranted, and has severely overshadowed the genuinely excellent things in it

    I honestly think as a straight up package it's better than ME2. ME2 might even be more than a little overrated, in my opinion.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    There is a lot in ME3 that is weak

    But that ending did a lot more damage to its overall image than is probably warranted, and has severely overshadowed the genuinely excellent things in it

    I honestly think as a straight up package it's better than ME2. ME2 might even be more than a little overrated, in my opinion.

    There is a lot of gat damn science behind why an ending like that would ruin someone's experience of the game.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    I'm not really saying it didn't ruin experiences

    Just that people reflecting back on the game don't give credit enough to where its due because of it, or gloss over the excellent parts of it

    S'just a shame, is all. ME3 is a fantastic game with a bad enough ending that it managed to progressively spoil in my head for a solid 6 months before I stopped caring entirely about it. But now that I'm past that, its much much easier to look back and think how superb more than a few parts of it were.

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    I really wish they hadn't gone all in on having the Reapers actually show up and fight it out in ME3. There was no way it was ever going to meet the expectations they built up in the previous two games.

    The Citadel DLC's ridiculous 1990s action movie plotline should have been the main quest which just incidentally solves the impending Reaper invasion somehow along the way.

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    they should have just had actual good villains instead of the reapers

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    also dragon age 2 is the best dating sim i've ever played

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    remember when 2 was sold as the dark middle chapter

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    The Reapers were much better as a reveal and impending threat in 1 than as legitimate villains in 2 and 3

    But I was also probably not as sick of "save everyone" then as I am now

    Though, kinda regardless, ME1's last few hours is definitely in the top 20 or so game experiences of all time for me.

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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    I really wish they hadn't gone all in on having the Reapers actually show up and fight it out in ME3. There was no way it was ever going to meet the expectations they built up in the previous two games.

    The Citadel DLC's ridiculous 1990s action movie plotline should have been the main quest which just incidentally solves the impending Reaper invasion somehow along the way.

    God yes

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Eeeehhh

    No. The Citadel DLC is really really good

    But having it be a more fleshed out thing integrated into the main game of 3 wouldn't really work either

    And despite the Reapers being sort of lame, having them be totally a side thing after all the hubbub about them in 1 and 2 would have been intensely awkward.

    The Citadel DLC is pretty much perfect as it is.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    So I got curious about that MGR HDMI thing, because I feel like I would have noticed if the game was running at 24fps since I'm using HDMI

    Loaded up FRAPs, and nope, 60fps for the most part using HDMI cables

    I have heard that plugging it into a TV can cause problems, so maybe that is part of it? Or I wonder if people are confusing that with the 1080 problems the game has.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The game would have worked out much better if the series was just about stopping the Reapers from fully activating.

    There was way too much build up about a Lovecraftian uber-threat of an epic (and I hate that word) scale.

    Leave the aeons old threat and the why to mystery, because sometimes it's better to just speculate about shit millenia old.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    I never understood how it took so long for the Reapers to actually reap Earth. Like they show up at the beginning of the game, and then you and your crew can pretty much dawdle around the galaxy indefinitely while they don't seem to accomplish a whole lot.


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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    They'd have needed to approach it differently if that were the intent, though, right from the beginning

    It was pretty clear they were leading up to the Reapers as the primary threat in the last game, the direct threat, even in the first game.

    Anything else would've been just (or at least almost) as poorly received as what we got.

    They'd sort of written themselves into a corner for that last game, even if the team had at that point had second thoughts about the Reapers appearing at all.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    The Reapers were much better as a reveal and impending threat in 1 than as legitimate villains in 2 and 3

    But I was also probably not as sick of "save everyone" then as I am now

    Though, kinda regardless, ME1's last few hours is definitely in the top 20 or so game experiences of all time for me.

    the second time I went through ME1 I found that I'd forgotten the end of the game pretty much entirely

    to this day the stuff that has really stuck with me was all in ME2

    Shorty on
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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    given that alien species are fundamentally biologically distinct from us, who is to say that ashley is wrong to distrust them

    aren't some species, e.g. vorcha and batarians, genuinely intrinsically evil? and even the ostensibly good ones don't have ethics that map directly onto ours, not by a long shot

    people talk about her as if she was directly equivalent to a racist, but racism is based on fabricated biological differences and species-based discrimination is based on real ones. our dismissal of her position is based almost entirely on a false equivalency and we really should give the matter a second thought

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    nah

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    It also disappoints me that by deciding to show us a big AAA-budget war in ME3 they had to throw out all of the cool semi-hard scifi stuff from the codex about fleets being unable to fire their main guns with a populated planet as a backstop, or dropping out of a mass relay in close formation etc

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    only thing i regret about the citadel dlc story plot
    the clone wasnt the opposite sex version of your Shepard

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    But I absolutely think a game or a series about stopping some ancient force from activating and succeeding, never really revealing the full breadth of said ancient force, could work. And would potentially be pretty interesting.

    I'd like to see a game in a Mass Effect like setting more about the discovery and exploration of ancient technology and secrets, but with that technology being firmly and permanently in the past. An archeological game, maybe.

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    They'd have needed to approach it differently if that were the intent, though, right from the beginning

    It was pretty clear they were leading up to the Reapers as the primary threat in the last game, the direct threat, even in the first game.

    eeeeh

    I distinctly remember a lot of the Mass Effect thread (myself included) being surprised to learn that the Reapers actually showed up in 3, because we had read into Vigil's comments that the Reapers were trapped, like, thousands of years away in dark space without the relay

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    given that alien species are fundamentally biologically distinct from us, who is to say that ashley is wrong to distrust them

    aren't some species, e.g. vorcha and batarians, genuinely intrinsically evil? and even the ostensibly good ones don't have ethics that map directly onto ours, not by a long shot

    people talk about her as if she was directly equivalent to a racist, but racism is based on fabricated biological differences and species-based discrimination is based on real ones. our dismissal of her position is based almost entirely on a false equivalency and we really should give the matter a second thought

    But she's also biased against your alien crew members, who as far as we're shown are all decent people. I don't think it't much of a stretch to see bigotry in her viewpoint.

    ... unless you're talking about Batarians, who aren't so much a species as a kind of impure vermin, that must be genocidally cleansed in order to make way for superior beings. They are base creatures, intrinsically prone to evil and wickedness and honestly need to be wiped from the galaxy for the greater good.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    The Reapers were much better as a reveal and impending threat in 1 than as legitimate villains in 2 and 3

    But I was also probably not as sick of "save everyone" then as I am now

    Though, kinda regardless, ME1's last few hours is definitely in the top 20 or so game experiences of all time for me.

    the second time I went through ME1 I found that I'd forgotten the end of the game pretty much entirely

    to this day the stuff that has really stuck with me was all in ME2

    Of the series, all that has really stuck with me is the positive impressions of ME3's ambient dialogue, the characters (overall) and those last hours of ME1. Probably in time it'll just be mostly the ending of ME1.

    Really very little about ME2 sticks out to me, except how fantastic the gameplay was coming out of 1, how well it handled the classes, and how good both the DLC characters were despite not being as fleshed out as the main ones.

    I really don't have the overwhelmingly positive opinion of ME2 everyone else seems to. It's very good, but primarily as a comparison to 1. As a stand alone product, divorced from the first game (as possible as it is to objectively do that) it doesn't stand out a whole lot in my memories.

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