pharika is boring as dick and she can only pull from your graveyard
also I have no idea if you're serious about necrogenesis cause that seems boring also, but at least it can use the opponent's yard
I do think this was a glaring oversight. It seems like a really unnecessary restriction.
It has to be the death touch on the snakes
If they were dead set on the snake thing (which I guess they were stuck with since the good G/B effects and the flavorfull pharika effects are already on other cards) they should have gone the other way and given the snakes lifelink in addition to deathtouch
Yeah, the powerrating WoTC has for DT is obviously much higher than the power most players place upon it.
I can see some hijinks where you willingly give over a snake to stop a reanimator/Rescue/Tymaret/Champion of Lost Souls interaction... Especially if you've given yourself a snake to counter theirs. That still seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to stop some pretty uncommon plays.
I think it's not as bad as some folks are making it out to be. You're still giving your creatures a second life, and deathtouch is far more powerful than "oh it's just DT". You can stop some "BIG DUDES" decks cold with just a few deathtouch creatures.
She counters mill pretty hard, though. If she's on the board, every time you mill out a creature, she's killin' your defenders (or killing you with a thousand papercuts).
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KwoaruConfident SmirkFlawless Golden PecsRegistered Userregular
pharika is boring as dick and she can only pull from your graveyard
also I have no idea if you're serious about necrogenesis cause that seems boring also, but at least it can use the opponent's yard
I do think this was a glaring oversight. It seems like a really unnecessary restriction.
It has to be the death touch on the snakes
If they were dead set on the snake thing (which I guess they were stuck with since the good G/B effects and the flavorfull pharika effects are already on other cards) they should have gone the other way and given the snakes lifelink in addition to deathtouch
edit yes i think this is the perfect solution best compromise in a bunch of ways
the problem is justifying the flavor of snakes having lifelink in that scenario
but that makes sense, i guess
no see because it hurts your opponents and benefits you, pharika's brewed up potion (as seen in pharika's cure) is actually refined from her enchantment snake venom and given to her followers
dear wizards me please hire me however many months/years ago you were designing pharika
I'm disappointed by the lack of cats in this block. I was promised nomadic cat warrior tribes. I think there have been like... 5? Only a couple are worth playing...
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KwoaruConfident SmirkFlawless Golden PecsRegistered Userregular
pharika is boring as dick and she can only pull from your graveyard
also I have no idea if you're serious about necrogenesis cause that seems boring also, but at least it can use the opponent's yard
I do think this was a glaring oversight. It seems like a really unnecessary restriction.
It has to be the death touch on the snakes
If they were dead set on the snake thing (which I guess they were stuck with since the good G/B effects and the flavorfull pharika effects are already on other cards) they should have gone the other way and given the snakes lifelink in addition to deathtouch
Yeah, the powerrating WoTC has for DT is obviously much higher than the power most players place upon it.
I can see some hijinks where you willingly give over a snake to stop a reanimator/Rescue/Tymaret/Champion of Lost Souls interaction... Especially if you've given yourself a snake to counter theirs. That still seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to stop some pretty uncommon plays.
I think it's not as bad as some folks are making it out to be. You're still giving your creatures a second life, and deathtouch is far more powerful than "oh it's just DT". You can stop some "BIG DUDES" decks cold with just a few deathtouch creatures.
She counters mill pretty hard, though. If she's on the board, every time you mill out a creature, she's killin' your defenders (or killing you with a thousand papercuts).
To make this as nerdy and silly as possible I think my biggest problem is that this just isn't what pharika is about as a god
maybe the article about pharika (which I can't find? did they do one?) connects the dots a little better but I'm going to have be sold pretty hard on the god of poisoning stuff actually being the god of playing with corpses and also ssssnaaaaakeeessssss
I can imagine a couple spins that might make it work for me though
I was actually really into the effect (because I love little death touch 1/1 assholes that get to posture as ridiculous walls or absurdly aggressive beaters) until I re-read it and noticed that you don't benefit from pulling out of the opponent's graveyard
"Oh, you virdict'd my dudes? That's chill. Let me get them back for a minute so you can't attack."
"Oh, that sure was a fancy combat trick you did. And good on you for hitting me so hard. Sure would be annoying if I pulled back 4 deathtouch dudes to kill all your dudes OH WAIT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING."
in what world are you sitting on 8 untapped mana during your opponent's turn?
In the same world we use for all examples. The game where everything is going your way all the time.
How else would we decide between "Good" and "Bad" cards?
also Iroas renders all those snakes completely useless as blockers
Playing fast and loose with the word "completely" there... Blocking a guy, even if you don't kill him, is still blocking him. This concept is known as the "chump" blocker. I thought this was obvious. My b.
okay yes, I should have said mostly useless instead of completely
pharika is boring as dick and she can only pull from your graveyard
also I have no idea if you're serious about necrogenesis cause that seems boring also, but at least it can use the opponent's yard
I do think this was a glaring oversight. It seems like a really unnecessary restriction.
It has to be the death touch on the snakes
If they were dead set on the snake thing (which I guess they were stuck with since the good G/B effects and the flavorfull pharika effects are already on other cards) they should have gone the other way and given the snakes lifelink in addition to deathtouch
edit yes i think this is the perfect solution best compromise in a bunch of ways
the problem is justifying the flavor of snakes having lifelink in that scenario
but that makes sense, i guess
no see because it hurts your opponents and benefits you, pharika's brewed up potion (as seen in pharika's cure) is actually refined from her enchantment snake venom and given to her followers
dear wizards me please hire me however many months/years ago you were designing pharika
That actually would have been a huge improvement in the flavor department. Pharika is the God of Afflictions (Temple of Malady), both inflicting and healing them. Deathtouch and lifelink would have been a nice reflection of that, and a needed power boost.
Blah... oh well, my G/B deck will have to be satisfied with the scryland.
edit: I guess there's a nice "combo" with Pharika and the Archetype of Finality... in that if you have to eat their graveyard, all they get are vanilla 1/1s...
"Oh, you virdict'd my dudes? That's chill. Let me get them back for a minute so you can't attack."
"Oh, that sure was a fancy combat trick you did. And good on you for hitting me so hard. Sure would be annoying if I pulled back 4 deathtouch dudes to kill all your dudes OH WAIT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING."
in what world are you sitting on 8 untapped mana during your opponent's turn?
In the same world we use for all examples. The game where everything is going your way all the time.
How else would we decide between "Good" and "Bad" cards?
also Iroas renders all those snakes completely useless as blockers
Playing fast and loose with the word "completely" there... Blocking a guy, even if you don't kill him, is still blocking him. This concept is known as the "chump" blocker. I thought this was obvious. My b.
okay yes, I should have said mostly useless instead of completely
thanks for being a condescending prick
Look, I get that you don't like my opinions...
But, do you have to call me names? That's not very nice. Especially since you jumped at me with the condescension first. I know I'm a silly fellow, but I'd appreciate a modicum of respect. When I typed out my stuff, I wasn't even trying to make fun of you. I was trying to be a little sarcastic and witty. Sorry that came off as rude. I'll work on it.
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KwoaruConfident SmirkFlawless Golden PecsRegistered Userregular
pharika is boring as dick and she can only pull from your graveyard
also I have no idea if you're serious about necrogenesis cause that seems boring also, but at least it can use the opponent's yard
I do think this was a glaring oversight. It seems like a really unnecessary restriction.
It has to be the death touch on the snakes
If they were dead set on the snake thing (which I guess they were stuck with since the good G/B effects and the flavorfull pharika effects are already on other cards) they should have gone the other way and given the snakes lifelink in addition to deathtouch
edit yes i think this is the perfect solution best compromise in a bunch of ways
the problem is justifying the flavor of snakes having lifelink in that scenario
but that makes sense, i guess
no see because it hurts your opponents and benefits you, pharika's brewed up potion (as seen in pharika's cure) is actually refined from her enchantment snake venom and given to her followers
dear wizards me please hire me however many months/years ago you were designing pharika
That actually would have been a huge improvement in the flavor department. Pharika is the God of Afflictions (Temple of Malady), both inflicting and healing them. Deathtouch and lifelink would have been a nice reflection of that, and a needed power boost.
Blah... oh well, my G/B deck will have to be satisfied with the scryland.
edit: I guess there's a nice "combo" with Pharika and the Archetype of Finality... in that if you have to eat their graveyard, all they get are vanilla 1/1s...
"Oh, you virdict'd my dudes? That's chill. Let me get them back for a minute so you can't attack."
"Oh, that sure was a fancy combat trick you did. And good on you for hitting me so hard. Sure would be annoying if I pulled back 4 deathtouch dudes to kill all your dudes OH WAIT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING."
in what world are you sitting on 8 untapped mana during your opponent's turn?
In the same world we use for all examples. The game where everything is going your way all the time.
How else would we decide between "Good" and "Bad" cards?
also Iroas renders all those snakes completely useless as blockers
Playing fast and loose with the word "completely" there... Blocking a guy, even if you don't kill him, is still blocking him. This concept is known as the "chump" blocker. I thought this was obvious. My b.
okay yes, I should have said mostly useless instead of completely
thanks for being a condescending prick
Look, I get that you don't like my opinions...
But, do you have to call me names? That's not very nice. Especially since you jumped at me with the condescension first. I know I'm a silly fellow, but I'd appreciate a modicum of respect. When I typed out my stuff, I wasn't even trying to make fun of you. I was trying to be a little sarcastic and witty. Sorry that came off as rude. I'll work on it.
I'm sorry as well. That was unnecessarily hostile of me. I was bothered by the implication that I don't understand the game well enough to know what a chump blocker is, and I was cranky because I just woke up
and I don't have a problem with your opinions at all! I'm just personally very disappointed with Pharika, since g/b is one of my favorite color combos, and I really think she is very weak compared to the other gods
Worth noting that the Sheep is hilarious with Sunbond and Thune and Courser of Kruphix
I may try to throw together a lifegain deck
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okay so this is sans practically any removal, but! I really want to make some iteration of this deck work
She should have just given all your creatures wither.
That would have been fucking awesome.
Wither is a fucking terrible mechanic, so no, it wouldn't
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GumpyThere is alwaysa greater powerRegistered Userregular
I think that even if it hoses only your graveyard, ambush vipers without losing cards is legit. But then again, we all know green is the wrong colour to combo with black.
"Oh, you virdict'd my dudes? That's chill. Let me get them back for a minute so you can't attack."
"Oh, that sure was a fancy combat trick you did. And good on you for hitting me so hard. Sure would be annoying if I pulled back 4 deathtouch dudes to kill all your dudes OH WAIT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING."
in what world are you sitting on 8 untapped mana during your opponent's turn?
In the same world we use for all examples. The game where everything is going your way all the time.
How else would we decide between "Good" and "Bad" cards?
also Iroas renders all those snakes completely useless as blockers
Playing fast and loose with the word "completely" there... Blocking a guy, even if you don't kill him, is still blocking him. This concept is known as the "chump" blocker. I thought this was obvious. My b.
okay yes, I should have said mostly useless instead of completely
thanks for being a condescending prick
Look, I get that you don't like my opinions...
But, do you have to call me names? That's not very nice. Especially since you jumped at me with the condescension first. I know I'm a silly fellow, but I'd appreciate a modicum of respect. When I typed out my stuff, I wasn't even trying to make fun of you. I was trying to be a little sarcastic and witty. Sorry that came off as rude. I'll work on it.
I'm sorry as well. That was unnecessarily hostile of me. I was bothered by the implication that I don't understand the game well enough to know what a chump blocker is, and I was cranky because I just woke up
and I don't have a problem with your opinions at all! I'm just personally very disappointed with Pharika, since g/b is one of my favorite color combos, and I really think she is very weak compared to the other gods
I'm hoping we're all a little wrong and she just shows up and blows people out.
She's even got the pose.
"What? What?! Step up, punk! I got snakes for days!"
I was up against a very strange deck. UGW. Yeah. Featuring Axebane Guardian, Collossus of Akroa, Doorkeeper and... Artisan of Forms. He also had Psychic Spiral in there. No Phenax ( no black mana).
It was a very weird deck. He was milling me a bit with Doorkeeper. I resolved Ashiok early and, while he got bounced by Cyclonic rift before I could dump a stolen Axebane guardian in play, I replayed Ashiok and plused away . Got Jace down. Around this point was when he Spiraled me, and while it was nasty, a lot of my damage had been done with Ashiok, so I was still in a decent position. He landed a Collossus and it looked like he might be able to Monsterous it next turn and MAYBE get back in it.
I landed Phenax, as a creature. On his turn he targeted his Artisan of Forms with some UW enchantment, and turned it into Phenax. His Phenax wasnt a creature, but he tapped his Collossus, doorkeeper and Axebane to mill me to ONE card.
I responded with my own taps to mill him to SIX.
And now we get to the point of sharing this story:
I untapped. Activated Jace to empty his library, and then, for the LOLs, Ultimated Ashiok.
So I won the game with him having 0 cards in hand, library, and graveyard.
The Milling hat trick!
There should be a Cheevo for that.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
I think that even if it hoses only your graveyard, ambush vipers without losing cards is legit. But then again, we all know green is the wrong colour to combo with black.
i feel like it really says something about how not-viable pharika is when people are throwing out "well she's really good against that powerhouse deck archetype, mill!" :P
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GumpyThere is alwaysa greater powerRegistered Userregular
I think that even if it hoses only your graveyard, ambush vipers without losing cards is legit. But then again, we all know green is the wrong colour to combo with black.
you shut your whore mouth
You turn vessels of mortality into a walking fortress of worms. Black/White? We tame the very soul.
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maybe huey will have a tribal snake... lord. lady.
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Yeah, the powerrating WoTC has for DT is obviously much higher than the power most players place upon it.
I can see some hijinks where you willingly give over a snake to stop a reanimator/Rescue/Tymaret/Champion of Lost Souls interaction... Especially if you've given yourself a snake to counter theirs. That still seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to stop some pretty uncommon plays.
I think it's not as bad as some folks are making it out to be. You're still giving your creatures a second life, and deathtouch is far more powerful than "oh it's just DT". You can stop some "BIG DUDES" decks cold with just a few deathtouch creatures.
She counters mill pretty hard, though. If she's on the board, every time you mill out a creature, she's killin' your defenders (or killing you with a thousand papercuts).
no see because it hurts your opponents and benefits you, pharika's brewed up potion (as seen in pharika's cure) is actually refined from her enchantment snake venom and given to her followers
dear wizards me please hire me however many months/years ago you were designing pharika
And yess, necrogenesis was a big deal in early Jund, and a powerhouse in limited.
edit: Oh! I see, but the owner of said GY gets the snake. Yeah, that is a shame.
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Um.
I'm disappointed by the lack of cats in this block. I was promised nomadic cat warrior tribes. I think there have been like... 5? Only a couple are worth playing...
To make this as nerdy and silly as possible I think my biggest problem is that this just isn't what pharika is about as a god
maybe the article about pharika (which I can't find? did they do one?) connects the dots a little better but I'm going to have be sold pretty hard on the god of poisoning stuff actually being the god of playing with corpses and also ssssnaaaaakeeessssss
I can imagine a couple spins that might make it work for me though
I was actually really into the effect (because I love little death touch 1/1 assholes that get to posture as ridiculous walls or absurdly aggressive beaters) until I re-read it and noticed that you don't benefit from pulling out of the opponent's graveyard
okay yes, I should have said mostly useless instead of completely
thanks for being a condescending prick
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That would have been fucking awesome.
That actually would have been a huge improvement in the flavor department. Pharika is the God of Afflictions (Temple of Malady), both inflicting and healing them. Deathtouch and lifelink would have been a nice reflection of that, and a needed power boost.
Blah... oh well, my G/B deck will have to be satisfied with the scryland.
edit: I guess there's a nice "combo" with Pharika and the Archetype of Finality... in that if you have to eat their graveyard, all they get are vanilla 1/1s...
Look, I get that you don't like my opinions...
But, do you have to call me names? That's not very nice. Especially since you jumped at me with the condescension first. I know I'm a silly fellow, but I'd appreciate a modicum of respect. When I typed out my stuff, I wasn't even trying to make fun of you. I was trying to be a little sarcastic and witty. Sorry that came off as rude. I'll work on it.
well now gorgon tribal is totally a go
I'm sorry as well. That was unnecessarily hostile of me. I was bothered by the implication that I don't understand the game well enough to know what a chump blocker is, and I was cranky because I just woke up
and I don't have a problem with your opinions at all! I'm just personally very disappointed with Pharika, since g/b is one of my favorite color combos, and I really think she is very weak compared to the other gods
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I may try to throw together a lifegain deck
4 tormented hero
3 nyxborn shieldmate
4 sightless warrior
4 underworld coinsmith
4 xathrid necro
4 athreos
4 purphoros
1 doomwake giant
2 spear
1 hammer
4 ethereal armor
1 launch the fleet
4 mana confluence and 20 other lands
enchantment humans tribal bombardment, baby
edit: looking at it again this specific list is totally not ideal but i still like the idea
I may try to throw together a lifegain deck
Wither is a fucking terrible mechanic, so no, it wouldn't
I'm hoping we're all a little wrong and she just shows up and blows people out.
She's even got the pose.
"What? What?! Step up, punk! I got snakes for days!"
I was up against a very strange deck. UGW. Yeah. Featuring Axebane Guardian, Collossus of Akroa, Doorkeeper and... Artisan of Forms. He also had Psychic Spiral in there. No Phenax ( no black mana).
It was a very weird deck. He was milling me a bit with Doorkeeper. I resolved Ashiok early and, while he got bounced by Cyclonic rift before I could dump a stolen Axebane guardian in play, I replayed Ashiok and plused away . Got Jace down. Around this point was when he Spiraled me, and while it was nasty, a lot of my damage had been done with Ashiok, so I was still in a decent position. He landed a Collossus and it looked like he might be able to Monsterous it next turn and MAYBE get back in it.
I landed Phenax, as a creature. On his turn he targeted his Artisan of Forms with some UW enchantment, and turned it into Phenax. His Phenax wasnt a creature, but he tapped his Collossus, doorkeeper and Axebane to mill me to ONE card.
I responded with my own taps to mill him to SIX.
And now we get to the point of sharing this story:
I untapped. Activated Jace to empty his library, and then, for the LOLs, Ultimated Ashiok.
So I won the game with him having 0 cards in hand, library, and graveyard.
The Milling hat trick!
There should be a Cheevo for that.
you shut your whore mouth
You turn vessels of mortality into a walking fortress of worms. Black/White? We tame the very soul.
SHe is going to me a nightmare for Gr Monsters. You'll all see.
https://gofund.me/fa5990a5
or something
maybe
This is actually quite true.
Well, there's still that pesky Stormbreath Dragon.
But yeah, Polukranos hates Pharika for realsies.
It's... Interesting.
Not particularly fancy, just "make dudes, make dudes bigger, scry, draw."
It's got a Tromokratis in there, so that's fun.
Ephara and her Enlightenment also do a crazy amount of work.
Keranos looks particularly badass with the JOU purple.
Man, apparently becoming a god made Xenagos' horns go all super saiyan hair on him.
I also dont know why the born and journey god mats have that really ugly boarder while the theros 5 dont
rocking the purph mat forever
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Hunh.
That Thaumaturge.
Hmmm.
I mean, it's obviously meant to play with Strive. But would it work with something like Flames of the Firebrand?
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