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anger management... and sports.

bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
hello,

now, while i'd love to, i'm not going to sook about a particular team here because i'm sure there are many fanatics present with more woeful stories than mine. it's not even about the current state of affairs in vancouver I'VE SAID TOO MUCH shit

the truth is i'm a huge ice hockey fan, i watch every game my team plays - that's often three or four a week - and i get mad. i swear a lot. i am as profane as i am creative in my lashings of abuse. it's undignified. occasionally i'll hit out at the couch arm, physically, at my knuckles' expense.

i've had a bit of a temper growing up but it rarely comes up otherwise. i'm a schoolteacher, i deal with teenage kids all day, and in that context i think i remember once that i got riled up enough to really shout (as opposed to just, err, projecting well.) i'm easy going and sympathetic - if usually animated - in most other domains of life but i can't watch the hockey without getting hateful and obnoxious. the problem is: i have a freakin' baby on the way. a son. i'm going to be a dad, and being a good role model is my only priority. how do i follow my team - and i'm in too deep to pull out now - without also becoming mr. hyde?

i need to get this sorted out now before it's too late and the little fella's sitting on my lap. i've thought about muting the games and maybe having music on, but i'd prefer to be able to enjoy them peacefully and listen to what's going on. has anyone dealt with this before? is it going to be moot when i actually have an innocent little bub around to remind me of all that's good?

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    What about the game triggers your anger? Is it bad moves by players? Bad calls on the part of the refs? Lousy decisions by the coaches? Is it worse on some days then it is on others?

    Do you have any other options available to vent anger? I'd imagine you're probably swallowing a lot of it with your job. Maybe you could find a gym and work some energy out there before going home to watch a hockey game? Maybe get a heavy bag in your basement to whale on for a bit?

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited February 2014
    see317 wrote: »
    What about the game triggers your anger? Is it bad moves by players? Bad calls on the part of the refs? Lousy decisions by the coaches? Is it worse on some days then it is on others?

    all of the above. it's worse sometimes, sure, obviously it comes out most of all when we're losing, but there's going to be a lot of that for all followers of all teams and right now i don't handle it very well.

    i'm not sure it's a 'pent up' thing either. i've actually trained myself to get better at destressing, including after games - i can put some music on and chill out, today i developed a roll of film afterwards, which was methodical, took time and had a reliable positive outcome - i can handle after the fact. it's just no matter how i steel myself for it, tell myself, you gotta chill out for this one, just enjoy the game while it's on! i end up getting mad as hell if things don't go perfectly well. i think i've just trained myself to have a really poor response to anything but success, and it's gotta change.

    bsjezz on
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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    Maybe back off on how much you're watching?

    The thing about hockey, basketball, and baseball is they all have long seasons with a lot of games and you're going to be better off not living and dying by every single game.

    Pick one day a week to watch hockey. Sure, follow the news, check the scores or whatever, but try to limit yourself to only one game per week. You may find that it gives you a better perspective on things, rather than stressing yourself out every night or every other night.

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    You mentioned all of the stuff that you do to distress after the games, but have you tried doing something like that before hand to zen yourself out. From my experience, nothing is better at distressing me or helping me release my anger than working out. The bonus is that afterwards you are too worn out to get angry during the game.

  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I think that to a degree you won't let it happen as much when you have a newborn. First of all, you tend to be more conscious of all your behavior for a long time, so it's a good time to try to reset some of your bad habits or behaviors for the better. Second, one of the first things you learn about exasperation as a new parent is that if you express yourself in yelling then so does the baby, and then his mother, having just gotten him to sleep after a very long cry-and-feed, comes and murders you in the face.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    I'm a Vancouver diehard. When they lost to Boston in that game 7 a couple years back I turned the game off at the beginning of the third, yelled "fuck" as loud as I could and went to bed at like 8pm. I feel your pain.

    But also, this year, I found I was becoming VERY frustrated with fantasy football. It got to the point that I will most likely not play next year, even though I run the league.

    I think my problem is that I am unemployed, had way too much time to obsess, and was projecting my frustration with life into something tangible.

    I think ceres is totally right, having a baby will help you monitor your behavior full stop. But also, I wouldn't be surprised (and Im not playing armchair psychologist) if you take a few steps back you'd start to realize your frustration at your team is a byproduct of something else. Stress, your job, etc.

    Bottom line, your leisure time should be LEISURELY. If you spend your decompressing time freaking the fuck out because Roberto Luongo can't make a goddamned save in a clutch situation to save his life and Vancouver is a failing franchise that's too fucking blind t--ahem...if you're leisure time is nothing but frustration maybe it's time to begin to augment what your leisure time entails.

    FYI I actually have avoided following the nucks too closely this season PRECISELY because I knew it'd just be an exercise in frustration.

    It's the same reason I decided to not try Dark Souls until I'm in a better place in life.

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    going for a run or a swim before games is a good idea. during term last year i was watching the games after walking 30 odd minutes home and i can't say that cured the problem entirely, but i do find my general state of being changes a lot when i'm buggered - usually for the better

    also, i think you're right that i'll be stepping on way too fine a bed of eggshells to be yelling and thumping stuff with a newborn around - but i don't think it hurts to develop some strategies for when things settle down and i'm the parent of a young boy who needs to see how to watch sports the right way.

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    bsjezz wrote: »
    going for a run or a swim before games is a good idea. during term last year i was watching the games after walking 30 odd minutes home and i can't say that cured the problem entirely, but i do find my general state of being changes a lot when i'm buggered - usually for the better

    also, i think you're right that i'll be stepping on way too fine a bed of eggshells to be yelling and thumping stuff with a newborn around - but i don't think it hurts to develop some strategies for when things settle down and i'm the parent of a young boy who needs to see how to watch sports the right way.

    I mean knowing is half the battle. Your desire to augment your behavior and be a positive role model means that with a little bit of effort you will accomplish that goal. You're putting your position as a parent over your love of a team and that makes me 0% worried that this will be an active problem for you when push comes to shove.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    this happens to people a lot with video games too, and tends to be a kind of feedback loop: you get angry about one thing, and it becomes easier and easier for you to let yourself get wound up by successive instances.

    you understand that it's not acceptable to behave this way just because you're watching sports; that's good! Now you just have to train yourself to stop having this reaction. What I would do is rather than watch a whole game, get angry, and then do the de-stress routine, get up and walk away as soon as you start to feel yourself getting angry. Take ten minutes and do something that calms you down (walk around the block, have a snack, whatever), then go back to the game

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    that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    edited February 2014
    ceres wrote: »
    I think that to a degree you won't let it happen as much when you have a newborn. First of all, you tend to be more conscious of all your behavior for a long time, so it's a good time to try to reset some of your bad habits or behaviors for the better.

    I seriously disagree with you on this.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Well, that's been my experience.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Everybody's experience with the mood/behaviour modification involved with raising a newborn is going to be different.
    That said, I'd be really, really hesitant to rely on the presence of an infant to cool a sports induced rage, especially if such anger escalates to physicality (ie punching the couch).

    I know it's not the advice you want, @bsjezz, but if something routinely triggers your anger, it may be best to avoid that trigger when you're caring for an infant.

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    absolutely - that's the reason i'm approaching it before that time

    to be honest it's probably an issue that exists independently of parenthood anyway. you don't want to act like a child or feel like that's how you've acted, even when you're alone. i'm also going to try listening on the radio and/or muting the games this week. let's hope they throw up some real stinkers.

    for practice.

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  • Mom2KatMom2Kat Registered User regular
    @bsjezz as a fellow Canuck fan to the point that my then 4 month old son was wearing his jersey for the first regular season game I understand. Especially with how the refs have been decidedly not seeing calls for our team my husband and family can get quite loud. The first time you yell for either a goal or truly horrendous call and the child wakes up you'll be able to tone it down. Hell even I have been known to to cheer and had the boy pop off while eating and glare at me!

  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    Honestly teach yourself to walk away when you get worked up. It's a sport, you're supposed to enjoy it not be enraged by it.

    A lot of people say I'm the most casual intense fan they've met because I'm intense at the enjoyable parts (winning, scoring goals all that jazz) but just casual about it when they lose.

    I'd also say, don't try and get into those arguments that you're thinking of when your team loses. Agree with them that they did lose. Most of the time when someone tries to starts something with me I'll just say something along the lines of, oh well it's a shame isn't it? And leave it at that. (This also means that possibly you should be a bigger man and not rub it when your team wins)

    When my team loses and I decide to watch the game. I make silly jokes about them. Nothing insulting to them or they family. But ridiculous stuff like they're terrible cooks or they're conspiracy theorists or something.

  • ThundyrkatzThundyrkatz Registered User regular
    Why are you so emotionally invested in something that you have absolutely no involvement in or control over? I am not saying that because I am an idiot and don't understand what its like to get riled up over a favorite team. I want you to ask yourself that question. Your flipping out does not change the outcome of the game, it just results in more abuse of your furniture.

    Also, as a father of a 1 year old boy myself, if you think your going to be watching 3 or 4 games a week with a newborn in the house. I think your very optimistic. Your little bundle of Joy is going to eat up a lot of your time in the beginning, and you are not going to get a full nights sleep for the next year or two.

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    Why are you so emotionally invested in something that you have absolutely no involvement in or control over? I am not saying that because I am an idiot and don't understand what its like to get riled up over a favorite team. I want you to ask yourself that question. Your flipping out does not change the outcome of the game, it just results in more abuse of your furniture.

    that's exactly what my partner says to me every time, but for whatever reason thinking about it that way doesn't help. i'm emotionally invested because i care: i care about the players, i've followed their careers and i feel close to them and very sympathetic. i get upset when they're unlucky and ecstatic when good things happen. it's also partly a personal identity thing - you become tied up with the plight of your team just by identifying as a fan. and while that's hardly the most important part of my identity it does mean that the team's failings, in whatever small way, reflect on me. that's part of it that i've tried to deal with, try to be less overtly a fan i guess? and it should be easy to do, because i live in a place where 'hockey' is either the federal treasurer or something you play on a table that shoots up air jets. but even if i haven't so much as mentioned hockey to anyone for weeks i still get mad as hell when things don't go right.

    i don't think i'm going to have too much of a problem consuming the games. my fiance's a fan too (she's the only real canuck in the family) and because we live in australia we are at leisure to watch the games on a delay without being spoiled by the media. i'm also more than happy to switch over to radio if need be, which is a bit less intrusive and attention-demanding. plus it's gonna be a june baby, so he'll be three or four months old before the season kicks in.
    Blake T wrote:
    I make silly jokes about them. Nothing insulting to them or they family. But ridiculous stuff like they're terrible cooks or they're conspiracy theorists or something.

    i like this idea, i wish it was me... but i'm not sure if i could toe that line without graduating to cee- and eff- descriptors if things really turned sour. if i'm desperate for an outburst i will definitely try using words like elderberries and k-niggets next time though

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    the idea of cutting down on hockey to a game a week might be worthwhile

    you could also try watching another sport for a while, perhaps that will broaden your horizons and make you less fanatical about hockey

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    man i watch a lot of other sports. a game a week of the national rugby league over here, live local first-division games every now and then and the test cricket series. i like tennis grand-slams and international rugby union. nothing (other than maybe the cricket, almost) matches my hockey fanatacism but i am a sports fan in general.

    HD ice hockey is just too good an entertainment product. it's fast, it's exciting, it's emotional, the industry around it makes it addictive. and for me, it's cheap. it means i don't need to go out to the movies or buy videogames or go out drinking every friday night - i can chill out at home and watch the game.

    in theory

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    i am flabbergasted that somebody who likes cricket and hockey can exist inside the same body

    the games are polar opposites and also cricket is awful

  • Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    Try recording the game and watching it later. If they're sucking at halftime, check the score to see if they lost. If so, turn off the game; if not, enjoy.

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  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    Try playing soothing music during the game?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEXHeTcxQy4&feature=kp

    Or do other stuff while the game is on like:


    Spend some time showing the future mother of your child how much you appreciate her?
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    Or start baby proofing your house; get rid of choking hazards.
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    Maybe get a logo'd pacifier for when he starts Burrowsing

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    No matter what you settle on be sure to watch 22 seconds of every game. That way you can keep your IronFan streak alive.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited February 2014
    righto. i'll take that under advisement.

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  • MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    I've always been prone to getting really mad and staying mad, whether over my job or political debates or video games. I find that even a really brief daily period of mindfulness meditation helps a ton. Basically, you know as well as we do that getting angry is something you do, not something literally caused by external factors; you just need practice taking charge of and responsibility for your mental state.

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