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[PA Comic] Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - The Old Ways

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    He's human. He has something else in mind with that car battery. Something reckless and ill-advised, no doubt.

    (EDIT: And can we please get these comments moved to the relevant Automata strips, and whatever error is responsible fixed? Thank you.)

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    ZetxZetx 🐧 Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    My thought with the car battery was that the less friendly Automata would take it for some reason (spite, resell, use as a power source)... akin to removing a fancy stereo's faceplate today. (Granted, I haven't kept up with this world's lore, so I figure I'll be very wrong come Thursday.)

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    BRASKYthatSOBBRASKYthatSOB Master (of Physics) AlaskaRegistered User regular
    I love the way the robot language looks

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    WasamiWasami Registered User regular
    Jeez dude. This comic is of legendary proportions, history in the making! That may be exaggerating a little, but I do love it. This is one of those that if you picked it up in a store, you would have to finish reading it before you would regain enough presence of mind to move to the checkout register.

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    OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    That red flash, my goodness. It would seem that Pearl has attacked Betty and taken her faceplate/clothing in order to do harm.

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    PedroAsaniPedroAsani Brotherhood of the Squirrel [Prime]Registered User regular
    I always wonder how many of the choices Mike makes are conscious, and how many even he isn't aware of. So much of this is relevant right now.

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    AriWerdAriWerd Registered User regular
    Knowing what having green eyes means makes staring into that face really creepy.

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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Orphane wrote: »
    That red flash, my goodness. It would seem that Pearl has attacked Betty and taken her faceplate/clothing in order to do harm.

    That's an interesting idea but I'm not quite ready to jump to that conclusion unless there's something I've missed.

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    JackdawGinJackdawGin Engineer New YorkRegistered User regular
    edited November 2014
    Orphane wrote: »
    That red flash, my goodness. It would seem that Pearl has attacked Betty and taken her faceplate/clothing in order to do harm.

    Other way around. She's got Betty Davis eyes.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    edited November 2014
    Eeeeek.

    There was a red flash right!? I didn't imagine that? Cause I can't get it to happen again on refreshing.

    Also daaang, comments still getting redirected for Automata?

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    Oh brilliant
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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    JackdawGin wrote: »
    Orphane wrote: »
    That red flash, my goodness. It would seem that Pearl has attacked Betty and taken her faceplate/clothing in order to do harm.

    Other way around. She's got Betty Davis eyes.

    Yeah thinking about it now it seems more likely that Betty stole Pearl's green eyes so she could prey on human johns without her own red "danger signal" eyes scaring them off.

    Although this raises some questions... like, how long has Betty been "rampant" (to borrow a Halo term for lack of a better one)?

    Can we presume she's the one who killed the other two johns (or maybe more we don't know about)? If so, how was she concealing her red eyes then?

    Or maybe an Automata has to be crazy for some period of time before the eyes turn red (if so, it doesn't seem like such a great warning system), so Betty's only changed from blue to red at some point after Regal and Carl left and she attacked Pearl for her green ones then?

    Or I guess it's possible that Betty's been mugging other Automata for blue/green eyes for a while, replacing each pair as they turn red? That seems like something the "Foundry" would take note of if it was going on, though.

    Or maybe... the entire eye color coding system is at least to some extent nonsense.

    Maybe it's just propaganda by the human authorities. But if so, what's the goal? Create prejudice and fear against the pre-Law Automata? Or on the other hand it could be designed to keep the public in the dark about the fact the human authorities don't have nearly as much control over Automata sentience as they'd like people to think... maybe they couldn't actually fully engineer the intelligence out of the new models, they just tried to restrain it/dumb it down as much as they could and put green eyes on them to make people think there's a difference.

    Or maybe the human powers-that-be truly believe the color coding system works but the Automata have found a way to circumvent it... uplifting newer model "green" Automata to sentience covertly, intelligent "blue" Automata masquerading as "greens" in regular human society, etc.
    Eeeeek.

    There was a red flash right!? I didn't imagine that? Cause I can't get it to happen again on refreshing.

    Red flash? What are you talking about?
    Interestingly it seems it will do the flash once and only once and it won't work again if you refresh the page. But if you use the navigation buttons to go back to older comics and then return, it will flash again, or if you close your browser tab and then go pack to the comic page.

    Edit: Please note Geth's eyes... er, eye... is blue.

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    bturnipbturnip Registered User new member
    Took me a few minutes to process what happened and I'm still not there. Over-analyzing everything now, trying to find conclusive proof of who is out by the lamp post....nothing so far.

    I tried comparing the head shape and the markings, but there wasn't anything that jumped out at me as conclusive. Not sure if this is a clue vs. cut-and-flip-and-paste on the artist's part, but I did notice that Betty's compu-speech bubble on page 4 is the inverse of what the eyeless bot on page 10 says. Maybe interesting when coupled with the fact that the next panel of page 4 has Detective Regal saying that even he knows Betty is talking about The Foundry.

    What do you think- too far down the rabbit hole?

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    ckesselckessel Registered User new member
    If I hadn't read the comments, I'd never have understood this comic. The red flash is below the browser bottom for me, so if it happens I didn't see it. That or I scrolled down, read the sentence, then moved on before it flashed.

    After this morning I was tremendously disappointed in the ending. It just didn't make any sense to me. Now that I've read some of the comments, I suppose it does, barely. I still have no idea why Regal knew to grab the car battery when he went back up to the apartment. Or why Carl tried to dissuade him from going. Or why Carl didn't go with him.

    I really like Automata, but there were too many gaps in the information conveyed in the last 3 strips :(.

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    SKOoOTASKOoOTA Ascot Vale, Australia.Registered User regular
    Am I tripping or did her eye just flash red at me?

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    mohsmohs Registered User regular
    Regarding the red flash, the image is just a .gif, so if you're having issues seeing it, open it up in a new tab or save it and view it. http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-h2ZRKd5/0/X3/i-h2ZRKd5-X3.gif

    The wonders of chrome's inspect element!

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    RagnaroccRagnarocc Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    Betty's eyes are blue!! Pearls eyes were always green. So Pearl ripped out Betty's eyes and damaged her so badly that no one could tell, took here face, and has been out prowling.

    The red blink is probably just a wink. A nod to the reader to keep en eye (heyo!) on the color of the eyes.

    Creepy stuff!

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    LinktmLinktm Registered User regular
    Yeah, it seems like the ending is simple enough once you realize what's going on with the eyes. I like that the gigantic background element was used to convey that piece of story instead of them just telling you in text. The wonders of comic books.

    I assume the red flicker is just a sign that she's "going hostile", like a glitch caused from shoving another bot's eyeballs into her sockets.

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    mattawmattaw Registered User new member
    I know who is who and can prove it...
    If you look at Betty and Pearl a few strips ago you can see that Pearl's lines are smoother and rounded. Pay particularly attention to the neck and stomach areas.
    If you look at poor Pearl who attacks detective Regal you can clearly see the same rounded lines on her stomach and neck which differ from Betty's.
    If you look above you can see that Betty's neck has the straight lines demonstrating it is her.
    Creepy. Very creepy. I didn't even realize the strips were finished until I actually took time to figure it out.

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    BirtzakBirtzak Registered User new member
    edited December 2014
    So 4 things I noticed, in order of appearance.
    1. Eye colour: Yes this is obvious but it's the idea that's important for the next few points. Blue means you have a thinking AI whereas Green is just a simple non thinking AI unable to feel etc... Red means something inside is broken something is wrong, not violence since the goons that attacked them had blue eyes and not red.
    2. Pearl was originally a Betty but when the media got news of her existence the Senator had her mind destroyed and turned into a Pearl but that made me wonder how do we know that for certain? Betty actually contradicts her story saying that Pearl is afraid of humans since what happened to her but if Pearl has no memories and is unable to form new memories like she said how was she able to remember what was done to her let alone that she had been adopted by Betty?
    3. Carl makes a comment that though he could replace his arm with a newer model it wouldn't be his arm. This made me think back on point 2 what happens if the Betty they were talking to was really Pearl to begin with. As an AI blue eyes would work fine on her but green may cause a flicker of red. If we assume that's true then the reason "Pearl" stumbles about the room could be attributed to the fact that her eyes are the wrong eyes assuming of course she hadn't been reprogrammed by the real Pearl.
    4. Last point but it's actually the first point I noticed. Betty/Pearl is the one that implies that Detective Regal should go wait outside. Where he is subsequently ambushed. If we assume that the attack is unrelated how does the toaster know what to say to get the Detective to come check. Also when Automatons can relay large amounts of information over a series of short clicks and beeps how was it that Carl only finished the conversation after the fight broke out? Could be for dramatic effect but seems out of place.

    Either way Pearl is obviously messed up and the villain. The murders were going on before Regal and Carl interviewed "Betty" so it seems highly unlikely that Pearl would suddenly attack Betty her night time escapade that night. And more likely that Betty's eyes were removed ages ago so that during the day she could play the role of Pearl during the day.

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    SKOoOTASKOoOTA Ascot Vale, Australia.Registered User regular
    Sam Regals finely chiseled features adds a Dick Tracy -esque feel to this comic, loving the style and feel of this strip.

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    EvenBetterCoolEvenBetterCool Registered User new member
    Ok... so..

    Spoilers: I think that is Pearl at the end. Simple reason. Pay close attention to Pearl's neck when you first see her. She looks slightly different, in that she has a wire from the base of her skull to her neck. Betty doesn't. The body we saw missing the eyes didn't have a wire, either. In the top panel of the last one here, we can see a small wire on the right side of the neck. Pearl attacked Betty and took her face.

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