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[DC Comics]: Crisis on Infinite #Rebirths

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  • Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    That's Terra-bull.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Terra-Man being a crazy environmentalist dude was interesting at the time because he was basically a sendup of Captain Planet, but he doesn't age well (but that Ferry art, oh the feels it gives me, from the good happy days of DC)

    The tabloid site is throwing up a bunch of rumors throughout the day on Rebirth.

    They are saying in June (so after issue 52 of the original new52 titles) they'll be a "Rebirth" issue of each series, and then a new number 1 next month (or June as well if it is a biweekly book).

    As well, they are saying Tom King is probably the new writer on Batman

    I see Tomasi is the rumored new Superman bi-weekly writer, that would be worth checking out. It just depends on what they're doing to the characters to begin with. It feels like Clark has aged and deaged in terms of attitude and occupation about 5 times in the past 5 years.

  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    After DCYou I cut way back, but I think after how disappointed I've been with most of the mainline books since then, I'm going to drop down to just Justice League (assuming Johns, Snyder, or someone of equal calibur is on it) and work up from there.

    I do admit that the King and Tomasi rumors for Batman and Superman have me interested, after the constant crossovers have basically destroyed my interest in those lines over the last year. If bi-weekly books mean books that aren't constantly caught in crossovers, I might be willing to compromise with them.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Yeah...the stuff I read here and there post Grant Morrison's Superman run never got me. And the latest cross overs have been so weird with barely any payoff.

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  • TairuTairu Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Is Superman/Wonder Woman still a thing (the relationship not the comic)

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Tairu wrote: »
    Is Superman/Wonder Woman still a thing (the relationship not the comic)

    Yes.

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  • mojojoeomojojoeo A block off the park, living the dream.Registered User regular
    Tairu wrote: »
    Is Superman/Wonder Woman still a thing (the relationship not the comic)

    Yes.

    No it isnt they broke up a while back? he flat told her he didnt love her anymore.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    LOL Superdickery again?

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Comixology is offering 25% off almost any one thing from DC with code DCCOMICS25.

    I'm eyeing the Multiversity Collection.

  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Really? Well, time to hit those back issues I'm missing. Fall of Metropolis and Bizarro's World here I come!

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    I'm eyeing the Multiversity Collection.

    So good. Looking forwards to the sequel.

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Comixology is offering 25% off almost any one thing from DC with code DCCOMICS25.

    I'm eyeing the Multiversity Collection.

    Multiversity was utterly fantastic.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    Hmm, lady Green Lantern finally is cool. I wonder if all this is spinning out of the Darkseid War story which is taking what feels like forever with each issue.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    The double-shipping, staggered launches, the over-focusing on the trinity characters and the titans (seriously, why are they launching so many super titles when almost all of the 6 current ones are selling below 40K), and the holding back of the creative teams (if they've even been decided on yet) all have me pretty skeptical here.

    I am willing to try some of these books but I'll definitely be reading less than before, and I'm afraid that some of the things that did work critically and commercially during the New 52 (for example, a focus on the big 7 league and a handful of high-profile titles that were largely unencumbered by crossovers under their initial teams) will be forgotten.

  • mojojoeomojojoeo A block off the park, living the dream.Registered User regular
    "we cant reboot as we played that card too many times, so you may see current lore things change randomly due to rebirth and even some renumbering, but remember this is not a reboot."

    After seeing that video im not terriblly jazzed. All that talk... "what did we love about these teams and characters" should that not been had at the last reboot? or the last last reboot?

    This is a nutty idea but hows about instead of editorial and johns telling people what to write- we get people excited about the characters to write fresh stuff. I dunno.

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Johns talking about legacy is amusing.

  • RansRans Registered User regular
    mojojoeo wrote: »
    "we cant reboot as we played that card too many times, so you may see current lore things change randomly due to rebirth and even some renumbering, but remember this is not a reboot."

    After seeing that video im not terriblly jazzed. All that talk... "what did we love about these teams and characters" should that not been had at the last reboot? or the last last reboot?

    This is a nutty idea but hows about instead of editorial and johns telling people what to write- we get people excited about the characters to write fresh stuff. I dunno.

    Yeah, it's really their only ticket to recovery - let good creators write good stories. They've burned the bridge with readers so badly that no one is getting excited about these big universe-wide whatevers. We don't care about the structure of the universe and the careful detailed plotting of what is or isn't in-continuity. They can't see the forest for the trees and Johns in particular is guilty of that.

    Just tell good compelling stories and the rest will follow.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Watched that youtube announcement, and I don't know if that's how Johns usually talks but he seems like he's about to cry at multiple times throughout, like he's pleading to the bank that he can the make the payment just give him time.

    That they're bringing back the numbering on Action and Detective gives a little hope they might undo more of the new 52, but there's just so much damage done now, what does it matter. They're probably doubling down on movie connectivity and we'll have some changes to Batman or Superman to reflect it.

  • UltimateInfernoUltimateInferno Registered User regular
    I'm just uneasy about how many titles are going to be double shipping (all their major/semi heroes basically), as I've been trying to cut back my monthlies a fair amount might just cut DC out.

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  • ArmorocArmoroc Registered User regular
    This is a perfect time to cut back, yeah. Most likely I will go all digital with DC with all those that do double shipping. Its just too much man!!

  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    And now that they'll be dropping whatever New 52 stuff I was invested in, it's time for me to drop nearly all of my DC books that aren't stand-alone like Astro City.

    Sad that we only got 5 years of continuity and that everything is going to have zero closure, and lots of plot lines getting interrupted, with them doing this Rebirth thing line wide.

    At least I got:
    - The best Wonder Woman solo story ever told by DC (for the first 25 issues).'
    - Fantastic Animal Man/Swamp Thing runs.
    - A pretty great Bat Family that is just now reaching pre-New 52 greatness, but with its own original touches, and working together without Bruce as their own team.
    - Dick Grayson getting a better deal than pre-New 52 and not being stuck in Bruce's shadow.
    - Mob Boss Selina Kyle while it lasted.
    - The best Aquaman book in years.
    - Lex Luthor on the Justice League doing legit hero work.
    - Constantine, Grifter, Midnighter, etc. folded into the DC universe proper.

    I'm also sad that I might not get to see Checkmate and Dick Grayson vs Spiral.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Grant Morrison Superman. I'm just super happy about that. It was a tough read as a monthly sometimes but once you read the entire series back to back it's great.

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    edited February 2016
    And now that they'll be dropping whatever New 52 stuff I was invested in, it's time for me to drop nearly all of my DC books that aren't stand-alone like Astro City.

    Sad that we only got 5 years of continuity and that everything is going to have zero closure, and lots of plot lines getting interrupted, with them doing this Rebirth thing line wide.

    At least I got:
    - The best Wonder Woman solo story ever told by DC (for the first 25 issues).'
    - Fantastic Animal Man/Swamp Thing runs.
    - A pretty great Bat Family that is just now reaching pre-New 52 greatness, but with its own original touches, and working together without Bruce as their own team.
    - Dick Grayson getting a better deal than pre-New 52 and not being stuck in Bruce's shadow.
    - Mob Boss Selina Kyle while it lasted.
    - The best Aquaman book in years.
    - Lex Luthor on the Justice League doing legit hero work.
    - Constantine, Grifter, Midnighter, etc. folded into the DC universe proper.

    I'm also sad that I might not get to see Checkmate and Dick Grayson vs Spiral.

    Re: bolded. That's something I was rather unhappy with. In their own universe many of these characters had specific roles to fill, now they can go play second fiddle to Superman and Batman like the Charlton, Quality and Fawcett characters before them. Then again, good chance that those characters never got titles again if they didn't merge them into the single universe.

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Grant Morrison Superman. I'm just super happy about that. It was a tough read as a monthly sometimes but once you read the entire series back to back it's great.

    Yeah, Grant Morrion's Action Comics was incredible.

    As was Multiversity.

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  • TairuTairu Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    The short run of Captain Atom very enjoyable

    And issue #13 of Action Comics will always be my favorite Krypto story of all time

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  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    Dizzy D wrote: »
    - Constantine, Grifter, Midnighter, etc. folded into the DC universe proper.

    I'm also sad that I might not get to see Checkmate and Dick Grayson vs Spiral.

    Re: bolded. That's something I was rather unhappy with. In their own universe many of these characters had specific roles to fill, now they can go play second fiddle to Superman and Batman like the Charlton, Quality and Fawcett characters before them. Then again, good chance that those characters never got titles again if they didn't merge them into the single universe.

    Mixed feelings. Post Zero Hour/Pre Infinite Crisis I was in the weird state where I thought that if DC really knuckled down, they could make their continuity work, and it would be worthwhile to have John Constantine interact with the mainstream DCU again - as he did in the early days. And that was what I got, about a decade later, with the Nu52.

    And it was...okay? I mean, maybe Constantine wasn't exactly picking up where Hellblazer left off, and maybe I didn't exactly care for every plotline, but there were some genuinely interesting moments when, for example, John Constantine interacted with Batman or temporarily stole the powers of Captain Marvel, etc. It was not, and I want to emphasize this, a half-assed effort to hammer Constantine in; the writers made a commendable effort to work Constantine into storylines where he fitted, and to find him his own stories. They didn't even do the lazy Doctor Strange/Doctor Fate thing where he showed up in 25% of all "magical" plot-of-the-week malarky.

    But it didn't grab me. And it didn't grab me because there were a couple decades of character development from John Constantine when he mentor'd Swamp Thing during the first Crisis and hit on Zatanna during Books of Magick (which needs a retrospective, now that I think of it), and the Constantine that emerge in Hellblazer under folks like Mike Carey. There was a period when John Constantine was like Frank Castle, in and out of continuity as the writers saw fit, but with the same basic backstory because that was essential to the character, even if it meant that those characters aged while the rest...didn't. But we passed that point decades ago. John Constantine during the last hundred issues or so of Hellblazer was older - more cynical - and maybe less inclined to have a clever trick up his sleeve, and a little less likely to be nice.

    So I think the guys that wrote the Nu52 Constantine series, and the people that worked Constantine into the universe, did a respectable job. But it felt neutered, because of how it was before...and I don't think you can keep the Hellblazer tone and the general DC universe tone on the same wavelength. There's room for a lot of perspectives in the DCU, but the whole superhero schtick is just too far and away from the general tone of what Constantine was used to for so much of Hellblazer...and that's a large part of why I liked that book. Maybe it's just that I'm older, and I'm no longer the audience for a superhero-universe Constantine.

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    I liked Nu52 Constantine for what it was. I especially liked his interactions with Swamp Thing.

    Re: Bat Family. I love that Batman & Robin Eternal is Dick, Jason, Tim, Damien, Stephanie, Harper, and Cass all working together over Bruce's legacy without Bruce.

    I love that Gordon gave a legit try at being Batman and failed.

    I love that Grayson is a Triple Agent: Bat Family, Betraying Spiral and taking them down while teaming up with Checkmate, and a member of the Court of Owls. And that he's become more like Bruce than he ever realized with keeping secrets from other family members to 'protect' them, taking things on himself.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    I am seriously thinking DC should just flat-out officially reject continuity as a company directive and leave it in the hands of the writers and artists. Revamps haven't worked for them, and they never manage to commit to their plans long enough to allow any of it to pay off.

    Not only would this free up a lot of effort and corporate machinery to redirect efforts to something more productive more easily, and be a very strong counterpoint to Marvel's own masterful if staid management system, discarding the entire guise of continuity and outright embracing contradictory elements seems like a very DC thing to do.

  • PacMan1979PacMan1979 Registered User regular
    Hope this isn't too off topic, but has anyone read the 'He-Man and Masters of the Universe' Comics that started in 2012? I just caught up on the IDW TMNT comics and they are incredible. I was wondering if the He-Man comics are worth getting into as well. Thanks.

  • AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    PacMan1979 wrote: »
    Hope this isn't too off topic, but has anyone read the 'He-Man and Masters of the Universe' Comics that started in 2012? I just caught up on the IDW TMNT comics and they are incredible. I was wondering if the He-Man comics are worth getting into as well. Thanks.

    I read it up until Eternity War started (I missed the title change and haven't gone back to pick it up). I really dug it. Its much more of a reboot than a continuation of the old cartoons, though.

    EDIT: The series is divided into four parts currently

    He Man and the Masters of the Universe (2012) - 6 issue mini series that relaunches the whole thing.
    He Man and the Masters of the Universe (2013) - 19 issue series
    DC Universe vs Masters of the Universe (2013) - He Man takes a universe jumping jaunt. This is cannon for He-Man, non-canon for DC.
    He Man and the Eternity War (2014) - Current series, 15 issues, continues from where the 2013 series left off.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    I am seriously thinking DC should just flat-out officially reject continuity as a company directive and leave it in the hands of the writers and artists. Revamps haven't worked for them, and they never manage to commit to their plans long enough to allow any of it to pay off.

    Not only would this free up a lot of effort and corporate machinery to redirect efforts to something more productive more easily, and be a very strong counterpoint to Marvel's own masterful if staid management system, discarding the entire guise of continuity and outright embracing contradictory elements seems like a very DC thing to do.

    It's not that revamps haven't worked - they have, it's due to mismanagement of continuity where they fail. Marvel has a better handle on this, they should follow their lead. And stop with the reboots already, excluding Legion of Super-Heroes, a reason I like them being rebooted is seeing the various interpretations.

  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    DC also needs to realize that Elseworlds are still a good idea. You can play with all the continuity you want (or not), but still tell a story that's enjoyable.

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    I am seriously thinking DC should just flat-out officially reject continuity as a company directive and leave it in the hands of the writers and artists. Revamps haven't worked for them, and they never manage to commit to their plans long enough to allow any of it to pay off.

    Not only would this free up a lot of effort and corporate machinery to redirect efforts to something more productive more easily, and be a very strong counterpoint to Marvel's own masterful if staid management system, discarding the entire guise of continuity and outright embracing contradictory elements seems like a very DC thing to do.

    It's not that revamps haven't worked - they have, it's due to mismanagement of continuity where they fail. Marvel has a better handle on this, they should follow their lead. And stop with the reboots already, excluding Legion of Super-Heroes, a reason I like them being rebooted is seeing the various interpretations.

    It's easy for the Legion of Super-Heroes to get rebooted more often. They're in the future. Actions in the present can change the future. Tailor made excuse right there.

    But yeah, I don't want another reboot or revision. Keep the New 52 Continuity that they invested so hard in and that is growing into something of its own and just open up for Elseworlds and out of Continuity books (like their current JLA book is). I mean, they're doing something interesting right now with the actual Justice League book in that it's not synced up with current continuity and is instead trailing it telling what happened before the jump to current events.

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  • TairuTairu Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    DC also needs to realize that Elseworlds are still a good idea. You can play with all the continuity you want (or not), but still tell a story that's enjoyable.

    American Alien is pretty enjoyable

  • Bobby DerieBobby Derie Registered User regular
    I thought - in my silly hopeful naivete - that one of the attractions of the Nu52 was to canonically have 51 elseworlds to play with. But I guess I was wrong.

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    I thought - in my silly hopeful naivete - that one of the attractions of the Nu52 was to canonically have 51 elseworlds to play with. But I guess I was wrong.

    It has even more now. They established that Multiverses exist.

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  • Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    I never understood the confusion surrounding the Pre-Crisis multiverse set-up. It seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Mego Thor wrote: »
    I never understood the confusion surrounding the Pre-Crisis multiverse set-up. It seemed perfectly reasonable to me.
    Because people would have issues with the Hal Jordan they were reading not being the same Hal Jordan that would say, pop up in The Flash or something.

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  • Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    Mego Thor wrote: »
    I never understood the confusion surrounding the Pre-Crisis multiverse set-up. It seemed perfectly reasonable to me.
    Because people would have issues with the Hal Jordan they were reading not being the same Hal Jordan that would say, pop up in The Flash or something.

    Yes, but most of the named alternate dimensions (Earth-Two, Earth-Three, Earth-S, etc...) had either completely different heroes, or heroes with the same name but different costumes and civilian identities. You rarely saw exact duplicates.

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