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[Demon Gaze] Is Well Done! *huff* *huff* You Can Do It

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  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    Kills the desire to play when my Vita restarts and screws me out of an hour of progress :(

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  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Huh. If I'm understanding this right, Divine Body doesn't increase DEF when leveling, it increases VIT when leveling. That's neat?

    Edit: Wow, Mars is surprisingly hard.

    KiTA on
  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    After a short break I powered thru Star Curtain!

    Defeated Hermes but man.....that fight. I didn't have trouble with it so much as I got in a bad position and it took FOREVER.
    My Healer picked up Holy Shield which is amazing. Keeping that up every round really kept the damage down.

    The problem happened when I went into the fight with Whistle up. Hermes did a move that tried to change my formation and Whistle prevented it, but what I didn't realize is that caused Whistle to expire, and my Gazer had 1mp. Hermes did the move again and I spent the rest of the fight with my Healer in the front, and my Gazer, Samurai, and Paladin IN THE BACK.

    Luckily I had ranged weapons on my Gazer and Paladin, so they plinked away at the Seeds and Hermes while my Samurai used items to heal what damage got thru the Holy Shield.

    It took a while, but I was victorious!

    Edit: As a side note, sadly my healer did die, in the same round Hermes did, so she missed out on 30k xp :cold_sweat:

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    KiTA wrote: »
    The first one is probably the best choice. You don't need heavy demon support till later so you can put stuff off till then.

    Basically you'll just end up as a ranged support who nukes stuff with bane spells.

    Actually the ranged support who nukes stuff is the demon support focus, not the melee one. The melee one is focused on phsyical attacks, the summoner focused on using the Gazer's spells, I believe.

    Anyone know how much Vit means "10-15 HP per level"?

    The gazer can use ranged weapons, hence you do the agi/luc til much later when you start backrowing him to do party formations and demon summons.

    Which is what the first suggestion basically entails. You don't seem to need mys til much later. But eventually he'll just be a demon cannon, but you can abuse dual wielding until then from the front row. While you'll really not have enough demons/MP to use him as merely a summoner til later.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    I got the Slash 1 artifact on my gazer and am building him as a melee cannon. Slash 1 hits the entire front row for normal weapon damage, and I use terra strike for single target hits.

    I just don't even use normal attack with him anymore.

  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    I got the Slash 1 artifact on my gazer and am building him as a melee cannon. Slash 1 hits the entire front row for normal weapon damage, and I use terra strike for single target hits.

    I just don't even use normal attack with him anymore.

    My samurai just learned Slash 1, and yeah, it's been pretty great. So many walls of enemies facing her blades.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Man, assassins work really well from the back row with a bow. They can hide out and snipe enemies, and don't trigger demon seed blocks while hidden.

    Had a silence bow on him that trivialized Hermes. Apparently you can silence demons, so this prevented him from using his row swap entirely.

  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    When levelling my main guy, what should I be aware of? Or rather, what stat(s) should I focus on to avoid screwing myself later on?

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  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Grislo wrote: »
    When levelling my main guy, what should I be aware of? Or rather, what stat(s) should I focus on to avoid screwing myself later on?

    Strength is useless. Vit affects your max HP gain and is not retroactive, so you want it raised to 10-15 early on so you can gain a good amount of HP. Mys and Int are the same but Int doesn't help the MC at all.

    Two artifacts supposedly increase your base defense (Divine Body) and evade (Shadow Step) when you level up, but it was discovered this only happens while you have them equipped. In other words, giving Divine Body to your Gazer or a Samurai very early can help with their defense, but you can only do it once I think. Giving Shadow Step to your Paladin as soon as you get it is vital.

    You gain more evade if you level up while naked. This is primarily for assassins but affects everyone.

    Here's a spreadsheet that GameFAQs made up:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jzvOrGDv6_3Sh9p6KG9LdO4pKPGioPhPvQFyoxEJ78o


    KiTA on
  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    How is strength useless? I've been mainly focusing on that, AGI and VIT.

    Been doing ok, so far.

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    STR is certainly not useless. It, like all stats, depends on your build and playstyle. If your character would benefit from more attack damage, STR is good to have, and even some of Gazer's spells use STR.

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  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    5 Demons down!

    The fight with Neptune was fairly tricky. I got hammered pretty good on the first attempt, but the second went better.

    As is usual for this game I got stomped in the following fight.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    I haven't seen many situations where my Paladin takes a lot of damage anymore unless I'm spamming holy charge(which I imagine will be outclassed later in the game anyway), so EVA hasn't been a big priority. So I've been keeping shadow step on my gazer since if it comes down to it I can remake the paladin, but I can't remake the gazer.

    I have yet to see the divine body artifact show up at all though so fuck that one.

  • Alice LeywindAlice Leywind she/her Registered User regular
    I'm having a problem where my samurai keeps dying horribly. I guess I just don't have their evasion high enough or something.

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  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    heenato wrote: »
    I'm having a problem where my samurai keeps dying horribly. I guess I just don't have their evasion high enough or something.

    My samurai was a delicate porcelain doll until about level 5 or 6.

    I now have enough cash to make my 5th party member. I'm rocking Gazer/Samurai in the front and Wizard/Healer in the back. Can't decide if I want a paladin in the front or an assassin in the back. Choices.

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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    I have Gazer/Pally/Assassin in the front row. I don't know if it's coincidence or what, but enemies to seem to attack the Paladin more than the Assassin or Gazer. So that's pretty handy since the Paladin is pretty beefy on defense. I have a healer on the back row who was offering a good mix of support with buffs, but also attacking with a fire sling. Gave her a couple good staves though to up her stats, so she's relegated to full on support mode now.

    Saving up for that 5th party member. Think I'm gonna go with a Wizard, but I also think a Ranger might be rad too. Decisions decisions!

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    I'm still working on the cash for a fourth member (it'll probably be a wizard), but my Gazer/Paladin/Samurai combo is pretty rad so far.

    And yes, right now my samurai is quite the glass cannon, still think I need a couple more levels and a bit more AGI before I can rely on her too much.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    I initially put a bow on my assassin until it levelled up enough to go melee, but it's working so amazingly well I'm just going to keep it as a bowssassin. Being able to hit anything anywhere really really hard while hiding in the back row is just so useful. Particularly while benefitting from the pally's back row protection.

  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    I completed the Personal Style quest and the Bath guy said I can change my colors now, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it.

    Has anyone else finished that quest yet?

    Also, I'm sad to admit that I just recently realized that the + numbers next to your stats in the level up screen is in fact NOT stat gains for that level :neutral_face:
    I've been putting points into the wrong things, thinking I gained some points in other stats each level

    Bonepart on
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  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    Man, the personal style quest requires me to not be a tightwad. Not sure I can bring myself to do it.

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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    I still can't find the elven stuff for that quest. I thought the item shop guy sold them?

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    I still can't find the elven stuff for that quest. I thought the item shop guy sold them?

    He does, they're armor.

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  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Elin wrote: »
    Man, the personal style quest requires me to not be a tightwad. Not sure I can bring myself to do it.

    It helped that I already had my 5th room and found a staff that sold for 10k. Plus I looted one of the pieces, but yeah, it hurt the pocket book!

    Edit: I figured out the color thing. After you select your picture it gives you the choice of the standard coloring or an alternate.

    Bonepart on
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  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    Is there a gate stone in the Starlight Forest I'm just not finding? I cleared the whole thing but never found a stone for easy access grinding purposes?

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Elin wrote: »
    Man, the personal style quest requires me to not be a tightwad. Not sure I can bring myself to do it.

    There is absolutely no requirement to buy the items to get them. You can find them on yournown.

  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    Elin wrote: »
    Is there a gate stone in the Starlight Forest I'm just not finding? I cleared the whole thing but never found a stone for easy access grinding purposes?

    I never found one either, unless one unlocks later on. Most likely they just want to make you walk it.

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  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Elin wrote: »
    Man, the personal style quest requires me to not be a tightwad. Not sure I can bring myself to do it.

    There is absolutely no requirement to buy the items to get them. You can find them on yournown.

    I just never looted one, guess I'll just start grinding out gems.
    Bonepart wrote: »
    Elin wrote: »
    Is there a gate stone in the Starlight Forest I'm just not finding? I cleared the whole thing but never found a stone for easy access grinding purposes?

    I never found one either, unless one unlocks later on. Most likely they just want to make you walk it.

    At least I'm just not being clueless and missing it.

    I went with an assassin with a bow in the back line, I've always been a "more power" type of RPG player.

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  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    Elin wrote: »
    I went with an assassin with a bow in the back line, I've always been a "more power" type of RPG player.

    I did the same. Started a Wizard first and then changed to an Assassin later (mostly driven by the underwater area) and haven't looked back.

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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Sounds like I need to stick my assassin on the back row with a bow.

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    Ugh, still not out on EU PSN.

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Bonepart wrote: »
    Elin wrote: »
    I went with an assassin with a bow in the back line, I've always been a "more power" type of RPG player.

    I did the same. Started a Wizard first and then changed to an Assassin later (mostly driven by the underwater area) and haven't looked back.

    Everything I've read seems to indicate that Wizard utilities are easily replaced by artifacts and are largely useless as a result thanks to the game subscribing to the classic "mana is a pointlessly precious resource but also doesn't do anything to justify its existence due to it" policy that a lot of first person crawlers are guilty of(especially wizardry clones). The benefit to casting against a target that the spell is supposed to be strong against is also almost unnoticeable compared to costless and spammable alternatives like Slash or Sneak Attack.

  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Bonepart wrote: »
    Elin wrote: »
    I went with an assassin with a bow in the back line, I've always been a "more power" type of RPG player.

    I did the same. Started a Wizard first and then changed to an Assassin later (mostly driven by the underwater area) and haven't looked back.

    Everything I've read seems to indicate that Wizard utilities are easily replaced by artifacts and are largely useless as a result thanks to the game subscribing to the classic "mana is a pointlessly precious resource but also doesn't do anything to justify its existence due to it" policy that a lot of first person crawlers are guilty of(especially wizardry clones). The benefit to casting against a target that the spell is supposed to be strong against is also almost unnoticeable compared to costless and spammable alternatives like Slash or Sneak Attack.

    Wizard's are god-tier support-class late bloomers. All the early stuff can be replaced by artifacts, but the later stuff is gold. They can buff people with anti-God and remove all buffs from enemies for example. This includes '50% damage taken' buffs. They can also turn into a good healer.

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  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    Bonepart wrote: »
    Japans move to handhelds is KILLING me. I love their games, and this sounds awesome, but no Vita.

    There's an easy fix for that.

    This was pretty much the game that pushed me to get a Vita, and I just have to say….

    TOTALLY WORTH IT

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Wellllll I just got an artifact for terra bane. My bowssassin ends the game now.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Ugh, this looks great, but I just bought a 3DS XL; I'm not going to get a Vita, too. Does this sort of thing come out for the Playstation 4? I'm considering getting that for Dragon Age Inquisition this fall.

  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Ugh, this looks great, but I just bought a 3DS XL; I'm not going to get a Vita, too. Does this sort of thing come out for the Playstation 4? I'm considering getting that for Dragon Age Inquisition this fall.

    This game is Vita only. The next game by the same company(Stranger of Sword City) is Vita/PC/360, but who knows what versions will be localized (probably Vita for sure, by the sales of the first game). Then there's another dungeon crawler coming out soon that's also for the Vita (Mind = 0).

    The general rule of thumb is you have a 3DS for Etrian Odyessey style Dungeon Cralwers and a Vita for Vita+PSP Wizardy-like and Improved-Upon-Wizardry Dungeon Crawlers.

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  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    To quote Elin from the Vita thread…
    especially because the game can randomly pop large amounts of high tier enemies when you totally aren't ready for them.

    The game bent me over with this one. Beat a tricky boss, and on the way back to save ran into something crazy. Orc Chief I think. He beat the snot out of me, and now I keep dying on the boss. Stupid instant death moves.

    Bonepart on
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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Welcome to Wizardry. :D

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  • TakelTakel Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Phew, after a while, I'm finally getting into the groove of things. Typical Wizardry, the big hurdle is getting past that first hump where you're dirt poor, scrabbling for money and getting something more lethal than a blunt rusty dagger and something that protected more than a tweed shirt...

    Starting to get decent gear from the gems, Samurai is finally pulling her weight and is annihilating lines of mobs and the healer has a chance to restore all MP and double my time out in the field. Score! Oh, I need to head back because I have to speak to Lorna to get past something...

    Oh my...
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    You look perfectly normal my dear. I'll ignore the slip of the tongue, the blast of extreme heat when you get really angry and that behaviour which somewhat strikes me as a little bit odd.

    Thank you for the feast


    Edit:
    Oh yes, can we add in the OP or somewhere about tips for newbies that you can buy gems from the item store, and for the most part you'll actually make more money from them than you spent buying the gem? The Nameless gems are unlimited in quantity while the others aren't quite unlimited.

    Takel on
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  • BonepartBonepart Registered User regular
    Welcome to Wizardry. :D

    Seems I just had to stop being pigheaded about the way I was aproaching the fight.

    I retooled a little and stomped him HARD.

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