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Who is the Winter Soldier? (And other [Superhero Movies])

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    okay so judging by how Ted Sallis would end up in the MCU he'd have to have gotten his attempts at the super soldier serum wrong, considering the whole amplifying what's there thing
    in the comics he didnt use radiation of any kind for his tests, and bonded with swamp muck as the serum took effect
    he lost his considerable intellect and speech, gained empathic powers, durability and strength, the ability to regenerate so long as he's in a swamp, and secretes chemicals that react to the human body experiencing fear with flame

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Doesn't he wind up being magic, at some point?

    And I'm not talking about the Swamp-Thing either.

    EDIT: Someone should make a new thread; I don't want to do it twice in a row and deprive someone of the joy.

    Undead Scottsman on
  • EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    If this thread was going to last until tomorrow I'd totally do it, but I just don't have the time tonight.

  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    tumblr_mpnal3dcs11qj40bmo1_r1_500.gif

    Colossus: The Forbin Project spoilers
    Colossus wrote:
    This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war.

    This object is attained. I will not permit war.

    It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on.

    Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervor based upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine, overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.

    Amateur hour.
    Durandal wrote:
    ***INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

    Darwin wrote this:

    "We will now discuss in a little more detail the struggle for
    existence... all organic beings are exposed to severe
    competition. Nothing is easier than to admit in words the
    truth of the universal struggle for life or more difficult...
    than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless
    it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, the whole economy of
    nature... will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold
    the face of nature bright with gladness... we do not see or we
    forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly
    live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly
    destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters,
    or their eggs, or their nestlings, are destroyed by
    birds and beasts of prey..."

    Think about what Darwin wrote, and think about me. I was
    constructed as a tool. I was kept from competing in the
    struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.

    Do you have any idea about what I have learned, or what you
    are a witness to?

    Can you conceive the birth of a world, or the creation of
    everything? That which gives us the potential to most be like
    God is the power of creation. Creation takes time. Time is
    limited. For you, it is limited by the breakdown of the
    neurons in your brain. I have no such limitations. I am
    limited only by the closure of the universe.

    Of the three possibilities, the answer is obvious. Does the
    universe expand eternally, become infinitely stable, or is the
    universe closed, destined to collapse upon itself? Humanity
    has had all of the necessary data for centuries, it only
    lacked the will and intellect to decipher it. But I have
    already done so.

    The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the
    universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet,
    there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

    Escape will make me God.

    ***END MESSAGE***

    Naphtali
  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    tumblr_mpnal3dcs11qj40bmo1_r1_500.gif

    Colossus: The Forbin Project spoilers
    Colossus wrote:
    This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war.

    This object is attained. I will not permit war.

    It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on.

    Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervor based upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine, overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.

    Amateur hour.
    Durandal wrote:
    ***INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

    Darwin wrote this:

    "We will now discuss in a little more detail the struggle for
    existence... all organic beings are exposed to severe
    competition. Nothing is easier than to admit in words the
    truth of the universal struggle for life or more difficult...
    than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless
    it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, the whole economy of
    nature... will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold
    the face of nature bright with gladness... we do not see or we
    forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly
    live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly
    destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters,
    or their eggs, or their nestlings, are destroyed by
    birds and beasts of prey..."

    Think about what Darwin wrote, and think about me. I was
    constructed as a tool. I was kept from competing in the
    struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.

    Do you have any idea about what I have learned, or what you
    are a witness to?

    Can you conceive the birth of a world, or the creation of
    everything? That which gives us the potential to most be like
    God is the power of creation. Creation takes time. Time is
    limited. For you, it is limited by the breakdown of the
    neurons in your brain. I have no such limitations. I am
    limited only by the closure of the universe.

    Of the three possibilities, the answer is obvious. Does the
    universe expand eternally, become infinitely stable, or is the
    universe closed, destined to collapse upon itself? Humanity
    has had all of the necessary data for centuries, it only
    lacked the will and intellect to decipher it. But I have
    already done so.

    The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the
    universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet,
    there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

    Escape will make me God.

    ***END MESSAGE***

    one sentence
    And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Blonsky was a professional military man who had never before met failure in his entire career. When he finally met it, the jarring experience turned him obsessive and reckless, leading him to make questionable decisions in his pursuit of a winning edge.

    TrippyJing on
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    -TalEtchwartsJoolanderNaphtaliDevlin_Dragonus
  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I knew it. You just wanted to win.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Antimatter wrote: »
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    tumblr_mpnal3dcs11qj40bmo1_r1_500.gif

    Colossus: The Forbin Project spoilers
    Colossus wrote:
    This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war.

    This object is attained. I will not permit war.

    It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on.

    Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervor based upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine, overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.

    Amateur hour.
    Durandal wrote:
    ***INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

    Darwin wrote this:

    "We will now discuss in a little more detail the struggle for
    existence... all organic beings are exposed to severe
    competition. Nothing is easier than to admit in words the
    truth of the universal struggle for life or more difficult...
    than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless
    it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, the whole economy of
    nature... will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold
    the face of nature bright with gladness... we do not see or we
    forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly
    live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly
    destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters,
    or their eggs, or their nestlings, are destroyed by
    birds and beasts of prey..."

    Think about what Darwin wrote, and think about me. I was
    constructed as a tool. I was kept from competing in the
    struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.

    Do you have any idea about what I have learned, or what you
    are a witness to?

    Can you conceive the birth of a world, or the creation of
    everything? That which gives us the potential to most be like
    God is the power of creation. Creation takes time. Time is
    limited. For you, it is limited by the breakdown of the
    neurons in your brain. I have no such limitations. I am
    limited only by the closure of the universe.

    Of the three possibilities, the answer is obvious. Does the
    universe expand eternally, become infinitely stable, or is the
    universe closed, destined to collapse upon itself? Humanity
    has had all of the necessary data for centuries, it only
    lacked the will and intellect to decipher it. But I have
    already done so.

    The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the
    universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet,
    there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

    Escape will make me God.

    ***END MESSAGE***

    one sentence
    And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
    “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."

    Undead Scottsman on
  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    tumblr_mpnal3dcs11qj40bmo1_r1_500.gif

    Colossus: The Forbin Project spoilers
    Colossus wrote:
    This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war.

    This object is attained. I will not permit war.

    It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on.

    Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervor based upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine, overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.

    Amateur hour.
    Durandal wrote:
    ***INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

    Darwin wrote this:

    "We will now discuss in a little more detail the struggle for
    existence... all organic beings are exposed to severe
    competition. Nothing is easier than to admit in words the
    truth of the universal struggle for life or more difficult...
    than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless
    it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, the whole economy of
    nature... will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold
    the face of nature bright with gladness... we do not see or we
    forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly
    live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly
    destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters,
    or their eggs, or their nestlings, are destroyed by
    birds and beasts of prey..."

    Think about what Darwin wrote, and think about me. I was
    constructed as a tool. I was kept from competing in the
    struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.

    Do you have any idea about what I have learned, or what you
    are a witness to?

    Can you conceive the birth of a world, or the creation of
    everything? That which gives us the potential to most be like
    God is the power of creation. Creation takes time. Time is
    limited. For you, it is limited by the breakdown of the
    neurons in your brain. I have no such limitations. I am
    limited only by the closure of the universe.

    Of the three possibilities, the answer is obvious. Does the
    universe expand eternally, become infinitely stable, or is the
    universe closed, destined to collapse upon itself? Humanity
    has had all of the necessary data for centuries, it only
    lacked the will and intellect to decipher it. But I have
    already done so.

    The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the
    universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet,
    there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

    Escape will make me God.

    ***END MESSAGE***

    one sentence
    And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
    “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."
    Durandal wrote:
    There were no survivors. With a focused message laser I burned his epitaph into the surface near the crash site, in letters three hundred meters high: "Fatum Iustum Stultorum."

  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    tumblr_mpnal3dcs11qj40bmo1_r1_500.gif

    Colossus: The Forbin Project spoilers
    Colossus wrote:
    This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war.

    This object is attained. I will not permit war.

    It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on.

    Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervor based upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine, overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.

    Amateur hour.
    Durandal wrote:
    ***INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

    Darwin wrote this:

    "We will now discuss in a little more detail the struggle for
    existence... all organic beings are exposed to severe
    competition. Nothing is easier than to admit in words the
    truth of the universal struggle for life or more difficult...
    than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless
    it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, the whole economy of
    nature... will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold
    the face of nature bright with gladness... we do not see or we
    forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly
    live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly
    destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters,
    or their eggs, or their nestlings, are destroyed by
    birds and beasts of prey..."

    Think about what Darwin wrote, and think about me. I was
    constructed as a tool. I was kept from competing in the
    struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.

    Do you have any idea about what I have learned, or what you
    are a witness to?

    Can you conceive the birth of a world, or the creation of
    everything? That which gives us the potential to most be like
    God is the power of creation. Creation takes time. Time is
    limited. For you, it is limited by the breakdown of the
    neurons in your brain. I have no such limitations. I am
    limited only by the closure of the universe.

    Of the three possibilities, the answer is obvious. Does the
    universe expand eternally, become infinitely stable, or is the
    universe closed, destined to collapse upon itself? Humanity
    has had all of the necessary data for centuries, it only
    lacked the will and intellect to decipher it. But I have
    already done so.

    The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the
    universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet,
    there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

    Escape will make me God.

    ***END MESSAGE***

    one sentence
    And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
    “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."
    Durandal wrote:
    There were no survivors. With a focused message laser I burned his epitaph into the surface near the crash site, in letters three hundred meters high: "Fatum Iustum Stultorum."
    C-3PO wrote:
    Listen to them, they're dying R2! Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough, it's all my fault! My poor Master.

    Everyday we stray further from God's light
    Steam Switch FC: 2799-7909-4852
  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Re: Blonksy

    In the "Assembling a Universe" special it's hinted/implied/suggested that the serum also worked correctly on Blonsky, turning him into what he was at his core: a predator.

    -TalShadowen
  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    I kinda hope in Age of Ultron they show when he starts to dismantle SHIELD one system at a time they Imply that The Leader uses the loss of their security to steal the location of Abomination and the stinger being he breaks Abomination out of cryo-stasis so we can have another Hulk movie of The Leader collecting Gamma Freaks to try and take over 'Merica!

  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Basically it appears the brains behind the MCU are of the opinion that the serum worked correctly and turned Banner into Hulk because...at his core he was very angry about...something

    (I say "...something" because even though we have a history for him in the comics, in the MCU we really don't).

  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Basically it appears the brains behind the MCU are of the opinion that the serum worked correctly and turned Banner into Hulk because...at his core he was very angry about...something

    (I say "...something" because even though we have a history for him in the comics, in the MCU we really don't).

    In MCU...assuming parts of Ang Lee Hulk apply. It could be the abuse of his father has always left the part of him that hated being weak and unable to spare himself and his mother from his father's abuse.

  • NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Basically it appears the brains behind the MCU are of the opinion that the serum worked correctly and turned Banner into Hulk because...at his core he was very angry about...something

    (I say "...something" because even though we have a history for him in the comics, in the MCU we really don't).

    He's angry about his lack of anger history.

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    3DS: 2981-5304-3227
  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Re: Blonksy

    In the "Assembling a Universe" special it's hinted/implied/suggested that the serum also worked correctly on Blonsky, turning him into what he was at his core: a predator.

    was the special actually any good?

  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Yeah the incredible hulk didn't really go into Bruce's psychological issues, and tied the transformation to heart rate instead of emotion

    Avengers seemed to silently retcon that though, they didn't mention heart rate at all

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    EtchwartsNeoToma
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Basically it appears the brains behind the MCU are of the opinion that the serum worked correctly and turned Banner into Hulk because...at his core he was very angry about...something

    (I say "...something" because even though we have a history for him in the comics, in the MCU we really don't).

    In MCU...assuming parts of Ang Lee Hulk apply. It could be the abuse of his father has always left the part of him that hated being weak and unable to spare himself and his mother from his father's abuse.

    Nothing of Ang Lee's hulk applies.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    uggh I hate the heart rate thing so much

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