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Prison Facts "They" Don't Want You To Know About

PeenPeen Registered User regular
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Kevin Trudeau is finally going to jail.

"Kevin Trudeau, the television pitchman and author who amassed a fortune telling consumers his secrets about how to get free money, how to lose weight and how to cure a number of illnesses the natural way, is headed to federal prison.
Trudeau, 51, was sentenced to 10 years on Monday for criminal contempt for violating a 2004 federal court order that prohibited him from making misleading infomercials and misrepresenting his weight-loss books. "

I hate this guy, I mean really really hate him. His books are nonsense that prey on peoples' worst fears. I relished explaining to people why his books weren't in the library and I hope he has the worst possible prison experience.

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    TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    I really dislike this dude. I watched a friend make themselves quite ill over his particular brand of bullshit.

    With people like this, however, I always wonder if they are 100% evil or just extremely misguided.


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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    I was hoping this would be about our prison system

    Because it's bullshit

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    Thorn413Thorn413 Registered User regular
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    I was hoping this would be about our prison system

    Because it's bullshit

    I was thinking the same thing, but on the bright side con men are equally bullshit.

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    mcpmcp Registered User regular
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Some people seem so desperate for hope that they turn to the metaphorical snake oil, no matter who's selling.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2014
    I mean, don't get me wrong, this guy is an asshole and clearly deserves some jail time.

    Sterica on
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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The answer is

    The all ighty ollar

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    I was hoping this would be about our prison system

    Because it's bullshit

    Now that I've gotten that out of my system the thread can be about anything you want. I can talk about how the US prison system is bullshit all day.

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    HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

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    TaskmanTaskman Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Hunter wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

    It's been trumpeted many, many times but the Dunning-Kruger effect is a widespread problem.

    Also, yes. Prisons the world over are a mess, and in considerable need of reworking. Exactly what action needs to be taken regards them is a source of ongoing argument though. It gets into peoples biases, because in a lot of ways you're asking 'should prisons be for punishment, so criminals suffer for their crimes? Or should they be for re-socialising these people, so that they don't stay criminals after release?'. Seems like an easy choice to me, but a lot of people will argue with you about that one until you're both sick of the conversation. That's not even considering the other problems such as privatisation and societal cost, etc.


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    Thorn413Thorn413 Registered User regular
    Hunter wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

    I think that the problem isn't so much understanding just how ignorant the average person can be, rather it is understanding that you too are an average person.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    The prison system worked great for my cousin. He did a 4 year stint for assault because he did some dumb shit when he was 19. He got his high school diploma, stopped his substance abuse problem and took some carpentry classes. He now co-owns a liquor store in Aurora, Colorado with his little brother, has a great relationship with his girlfriend and daughter, and in general knows he's better off having gone to prison than continuing his life the way it was going.

    Having said that, prison pulls in a lot of otherwise decent people who did one bad thing and turns them into serial offenders and/or monsters, so I'd say my cousin's story might be an outlier. Either way, that is my anecdotal story about how the prison system has affected my family.

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    HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Thorn413 wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

    I think that the problem isn't so much understanding just how ignorant the average person can be, rather it is understanding that you too are an average
    person.

    No, at least 1/2 of us are above average.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    This (the US prison system) is one cause I'm deeply passionate about without necessarily having personal experience with it

    No family members have been incarcerated, I've never personally been to prison

    But it's right up there with income inequality for me as something we need to fix yesterday

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    The drug war can f- right off. Without it, a lot of the worst parts of our modern prison system wouldn't be around, like the overwhelming number of minorities in prison (not that that wouldn't be the same, or nearly so, just the overall numbers would be sharply decreased.) Also, private prisons. I despise any attempt to make money off people's sufferings, like our current medical system or insurance, and private prisons seem like way too much of an opportunity for corruption. The type of corruption that ruins innocient lives.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    What if 70% of people fall within tolerance of one-another for intelligence (assuming there were such a thing as an objective measure of intelligence)? Mean does not equate to median.

    Besides, remember Socrates: the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2014
    "For-profit prisons" always sounded like they belong in some dictator-run third-world bullshit place

    Nope, America

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    HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    What if 70% of people fall within tolerance of one-another for intelligence (assuming there were such a thing as an objective measure of intelligence)? Mean does not equate to median.

    Besides, remember Socrates: the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    Except I said average.

    Also remember Sir Tommy Lee of Jones in his historical epic MIB said "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it".

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Hunter wrote: »
    Thorn413 wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

    I think that the problem isn't so much understanding just how ignorant the average person can be, rather it is understanding that you too are an average
    person.

    No, at least 1/2 of us are above average.

    not necessarily

    what if there's one person who is seven billion times more intelligent than everyone else on earth, who all have approximately equal intelligence

    then the average intelligence is twice as intelligent as just about everybody!!!!!

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2014
    oh

    theres as a whole nother page to this thread and someone made a more intelligent version of my jokey nitpick

    WELL WHATEVER

    EDIT: no wait this isn't a new page at all people just posted while i was writing that WELL DOUBLE WHATEVER

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    TaskmanTaskman Registered User regular
    Hate it when that happens. Used to delete a lot of posts over that, back when deleting them was an option.

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    HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Hunter wrote: »
    Thorn413 wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

    I think that the problem isn't so much understanding just how ignorant the average person can be, rather it is understanding that you too are an average
    person.

    No, at least 1/2 of us are above average.

    not necessarily

    what if there's one person who is seven billion times more intelligent than everyone else on earth, who all have approximately equal intelligence

    then the average intelligence is twice as intelligent as just about everybody!!!!!

    Then statistically there will be some window licker who is 1 / 7 billion times more ignorant then the average person to fuck up the grading curve.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    the invisible hand of the free market will surely solve our prison problems and not, you know, turn petty thieves into murderers because doing so creates more revenue

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Hunter wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    Thorn413 wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

    I think that the problem isn't so much understanding just how ignorant the average person can be, rather it is understanding that you too are an average
    person.

    No, at least 1/2 of us are above average.

    not necessarily

    what if there's one person who is seven billion times more intelligent than everyone else on earth, who all have approximately equal intelligence

    then the average intelligence is twice as intelligent as just about everybody!!!!!

    Then statistically there will be some window licker who is 1 / 7 billion times more ignorant then the average person to fuck up the grading curve.

    I know that guy

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    ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    What if 70% of people fall within tolerance of one-another for intelligence (assuming there were such a thing as an objective measure of intelligence)? Mean does not equate to median.

    Besides, remember Socrates: the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    I always thought it was "the wisest man is he who knows nothing"

    ... guess I need to make some changes to my resume

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    Hunter wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    Thorn413 wrote: »
    Hunter wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    It's mind boggling that people listen to guys like that.

    Never understate the level of ignorance the average person can achieve

    I think that the problem isn't so much understanding just how ignorant the average person can be, rather it is understanding that you too are an average
    person.

    No, at least 1/2 of us are above average.

    not necessarily

    what if there's one person who is seven billion times more intelligent than everyone else on earth, who all have approximately equal intelligence

    then the average intelligence is twice as intelligent as just about everybody!!!!!

    Then statistically there will be some window licker who is 1 / 7 billion times more ignorant then the average person to fuck up the grading curve.

    You shut up about my mother

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Arang wrote: »
    What if 70% of people fall within tolerance of one-another for intelligence (assuming there were such a thing as an objective measure of intelligence)? Mean does not equate to median.

    Besides, remember Socrates: the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    I always thought it was "the wisest man is he who knows nothing"

    ... guess I need to make some changes to my resume

    Every time I find a new interest it happens to me again. Something piques my interest, so I go and do some reading up and watching of videos/technical demonstrations etc. online, then I try and do it myself to learn a bit about it, if I enjoy it I do it as much as I can and start to think I'm getting my head around the subject, then I scratch a little deeper trying to find the bones underneath all the meat, and suddenly there is so much to learn in a huge new universe full of subtexts and tangents and supplementary resources that it is almost impossible to know where to begin.

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    Fleur de AlysFleur de Alys Biohacker Registered User regular
    Arang wrote: »
    What if 70% of people fall within tolerance of one-another for intelligence (assuming there were such a thing as an objective measure of intelligence)? Mean does not equate to median.

    Besides, remember Socrates: the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    I always thought it was "the wisest man is he who knows nothing"

    ... guess I need to make some changes to my resume

    Every time I find a new interest it happens to me again. Something piques my interest, so I go and do some reading up and watching of videos/technical demonstrations etc. online, then I try and do it myself to learn a bit about it, if I enjoy it I do it as much as I can and start to think I'm getting my head around the subject, then I scratch a little deeper trying to find the bones underneath all the meat, and suddenly there is so much to learn in a huge new universe full of subtexts and tangents and supplementary resources that it is almost impossible to know where to begin.
    Exactly this.

    And then it happens to you in your chosen career, and suddenly you now have Imposter Syndrome.

    This is a thing I really hate. [nerd]It makes me want to go all Orochimaru and live forever just so I can learn all the things.[/nerd]

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2014
    The Sauce wrote: »
    Arang wrote: »
    What if 70% of people fall within tolerance of one-another for intelligence (assuming there were such a thing as an objective measure of intelligence)? Mean does not equate to median.

    Besides, remember Socrates: the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    I always thought it was "the wisest man is he who knows nothing"

    ... guess I need to make some changes to my resume

    Every time I find a new interest it happens to me again. Something piques my interest, so I go and do some reading up and watching of videos/technical demonstrations etc. online, then I try and do it myself to learn a bit about it, if I enjoy it I do it as much as I can and start to think I'm getting my head around the subject, then I scratch a little deeper trying to find the bones underneath all the meat, and suddenly there is so much to learn in a huge new universe full of subtexts and tangents and supplementary resources that it is almost impossible to know where to begin.
    Exactly this.

    And then it happens to you in your chosen career, and suddenly you now have Imposter Syndrome.

    This is a thing I really hate. [nerd]It makes me want to go all Orochimaru and live forever just so I can learn all the things.[/nerd]

    Alternately, you (not you in particular, just the generic "you") are a pseudo-intellectual and the Dunning-Kruger effect hits you with full force.

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    The Sauce wrote: »
    Every time I find a new interest it happens to me again. Something piques my interest, so I go and do some reading up and watching of videos/technical demonstrations etc. online, then I try and do it myself to learn a bit about it, if I enjoy it I do it as much as I can and start to think I'm getting my head around the subject, then I scratch a little deeper trying to find the bones underneath all the meat, and suddenly there is so much to learn in a huge new universe full of subtexts and tangents and supplementary resources that it is almost impossible to know where to begin.
    Exactly this.

    And then it happens to you in your chosen career, and suddenly you now have Imposter Syndrome.

    This is a thing I really hate. [nerd]It makes me want to go all Orochimaru and live forever just so I can learn all the things.[/nerd]

    I am eternally ridiculously grateful that one of my favorite professors not only actively guided people towards that whole dose of mental cliff-diving, but guided them through the process so they emerged without the horrible wealth of dysfunctions that "holy crap, I could spend five lifetimes on this and not scratch the surface" has such a tendency to inflict.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Arang wrote: »
    What if 70% of people fall within tolerance of one-another for intelligence (assuming there were such a thing as an objective measure of intelligence)? Mean does not equate to median.

    Besides, remember Socrates: the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    I always thought it was "the wisest man is he who knows nothing"

    Every place I've seen talk about this seems to have a different quote and I have no idea if any of them are accurate. I assume that's the practical lesson.

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    Fucking Alaska

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    FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Try to say "Of this ethnicity you can randomly pick 100 males and on average 4 of them will be in jail. Our country is doing fine and there is no serious economic, judicial or social discrimination against this ethnicity. Certainly not something requiring a serious review of our judicial and social system" with a straight face.

    "The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    something like 47% of prison inmates have reported sexual abuse at the hands of a guard or fellow inmate

    HOWEVER

    in cases where a woman is raped, they typically only report the assault about 50% of the time, while men report only half as often as THAT number

    so, in reality, that 47% is probably much, much, much higher.

    ps if you ever think it's cool to make a prison rape joke just cuz olol prison YOU'RE STILL MAKING A FUCKING RAPE JOKE

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    something like 47% of prison inmates have reported sexual abuse at the hands of a guard or fellow inmate

    HOWEVER

    in cases where a woman is raped, they typically only report the assault about 50% of the time, while men report only half as often as THAT number

    so, in reality, that 47% is probably much, much, much higher.

    ps if you ever think it's cool to make a prison rape joke just cuz olol prison YOU'RE STILL MAKING A FUCKING RAPE JOKE

    But they broke the social contract and so they aren't a person anymore and therefore deserve it

    That is an actual argument I have seen and heard more than once and it makes me close my eyes and pinch the bridge of my nose every time it happens

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    "For-profit prisons" always sounded like they belong in some dictator-run third-world bullshit place

    Nope, America

    some states even have for-profit, offender-funded probationary systems, under which probationers are assessed a charge for the cost of their probation (think of the our savings!) by the company administering the sentence.

    If they are unable to pay the fees it is considered a breach of probation and they can be jailed.

    so

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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
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    USA! USA! USA!

    and people wonder why we have such moral authority in the world today!

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Look guys, that's talking about the percent of world's prisoners what you really need to look at is the percent of the population of each country in prison and when you look at that oh America is still the worst. Carry on.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    On one hand, fuck con men.

    On the other, 10 years in federal prison is a pretty stiff sentence for a non-violent crime.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    given how many rich white men go unpunished for frequently disasterous economic crimes I don't really feel that sentiment

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