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What do you do when you don't know what to do?

VisenGodVisenGod Registered User regular
This is a job question. I'm a smart guy. I've had a bunch of jobs that all last about two years before I either move or move on. I've had real, honest to god jobs like working in strategy for an international bank, project managing a graphic design firm, and writing for a major-ish online publication. The problem is, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do and I have a fear that I'm not very good at the things that I do.

Importantly, I'm not a bad employee. I show up, I do good work, people like me and I like people. The problem is I have a mix of general apathy about things - no favorite teams, for instance - and I can't ever seem to get depth on topics. Some people talk about subject matter depth and breadth and I'm only every interested in breadth.

Anyway, I've once again ended up in a place where I'm going to move on from my current job but I don't know what to do. I write, currently, and I've applied for a few jobs but no joy so far. The real thing is, I don't want another job.

I'm starting to ramble. My question is - what do people do when they don't feel like they fit in anywhere? I feel like Scarlett Johansson's character in Lost in Translation or the dude in Office Space. It sucks. It's depressing. I'd love some insight.

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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    VisenGod wrote: »
    My question is - what do people do when they don't feel like they fit in anywhere? I feel like Scarlett Johansson's character in Lost in Translation or the dude in Office Space. It sucks. It's depressing. I'd love some insight.

    I took the 'Grad School' route. But, yeah, I understand the feeling.

    My therapist has been pushing me on the question for a few weeks, and I only ever have the same answer: I'm here. I don't really want to be...but people seem to frown on the idea of suicide. There isn't anything I want to do.

    From what I can tell, this is a question that an individual must answer for their self. Tips for success include, but are not limited to:

    1) Go out and try new things.
    2) Go out and meet new people.
    3) Read about new ideas, perspectives, concepts.
    4) Find Jesus.

    I don't find any of those compelling. But I do take a bit of comfort in knowing that not everyone is a purpose-driven winner. There are numerous people like us who stare at reality, unsure of what to do with it, and are completely ambivalent to the idea of achievement and goal fulfillment.

    I don't have an answer. But I can tell you that you aren't alone in your quest to find one.

  • VisenGodVisenGod Registered User regular
    Thank you. That means a lot. I also hooked up grad school, so you're in good company.

  • CauldCauld Registered User regular
    For me it's basically a hierarchy. I start with what I want to do, or think I want to do, outside of work and then kind of logically try to get the closest to that ideal.

    I think it's largely a myth that people have jobs that they love. I don't really enjoy the work I do, but I get along well with my coworkers and I have started to enjoy having something to do every day. That combined with the fact that my job is very low stress and I'm pretty good at it make it enjoyable.

    So, for example, if I wanted to live in Italy I might not be able to do that for a variety of reasons (can't legally work there, don't speak the language, don't have any money to live off of there). So instead I would try to find a job that required frequent trips to Italy, or if that didn't exist I would go for a job that provided me enough money and vacation time to frequently travel to Italy. And, in the mean time, I would try to learn the skills necessary to get a job in Italy or to get closer to that.

    Also, I'm in the grad school club too, so go us.

  • ThundyrkatzThundyrkatz Registered User regular
    I have had a similar experience to you, though in different fields. Teaching, Network Admin, Bar Tending, Furniture Sales, Banking, Call Center and most recently Finance. In all instances I was a solid employee, always putting in 110% but never feeling excited about the job or like I had "found my calling".

    However I did make a discovery that was important to me. That I was not unique! I had always felt like everyone else was super happy and fulfilled in their "career". But that is generally not the case. Sure those people exist, and I envy them! but most people punch in, do a good job and punch out. That's not to say that we don't take pride in our work, but would I keep doing it if I won the lottery? heck no!

    So what would I do if I won the lottery? I mean that's always the question right, that's your dream job that will make you happy with life right? Who knows! its an absurd question.

    For me, the real answer came when I had a family. Now work is a means to an end. I work hard to progress in my field because I need to provide a stable and supportive home for my family, and that is all that matters to me.

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Being flexible and widely capable is a rare skill in itself. A lot of people (such as me) can only do one thing and would be screwed if that thing didn't happen any more. Take pride in your versatility. And apply for jobs that are new to you because you probably would get bored doing the same job twice.

  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    I'm somewhat the same. I know I enjoy working with data and systems, but that's as far as I go in terms of "oh hey I love this". No one says you have to stick with the same field your entire career, and if you track a lot of very successful people, you'll see they made a lot of jumps to learn more about different things. I would say try to zero in on the type of work you like and go from there. Is it analysis? Do you enjoy direct human interactions more or focused solo analysis more? Do you like managing people?

    These can all be simple "yeah" or "not really" answers, as they'll start guiding you to what you may enjoy more. Also, as others have said, keep trying new things. The only people I've ever met who REALLY know what they love are serious programmers, doctors, vets, accountants and architects, with about half from each are leaving it once they found it wasn't what they really wanted.

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Since you have had several jobs you should be at a stage in life where jobs are obtained by networking, rather than applying out of the blue. Re-connect with people you enjoyed working with. Your former co-workers should have a pretty good idea that you can turn your hand to anything (even if you never become a master) and some of them might be in a position to hire that sort of guy.

  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    have a goal outside of work and fulfill that goal

    it seems like you're defining yourself by your career and that's not the right thing to do for everyone

    this is a discord of mostly PA people interested in fighting games: https://discord.gg/DZWa97d5rz

    we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
  • Liquid HellzLiquid Hellz Registered User regular
    You don't have to love your job.. find a job that allows you to do something else you love in life. Work from home, get a job that lets you travel, get a job working with kids, something that lets you watch TV all day so you work at night.. etc.

    What I do for a living:
    Home Inspection and Wind Mitigation
    http://www.FairWindInspections.com/
  • VisenGodVisenGod Registered User regular
    Thanks everyone. I think the biggest part of my problem is not knowing what I want out of life. I can look at what I have and say, "Wow, that looks awesome," but I can't get the objective view to match my subjective perspective.

    I write now and I'd like to write more, I suppose. I do short pieces but that's wearing thin. Maybe I should try to write fewer articles but have them be longer or maybe change my subject area to something closer to my heart. Sorry, I'm just thinking aloud now.

    Thanks again for everything so far.

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    I had a similar thing, I was a florist for years then got to working at one of the best places in the country and realised I was still on minimum wage and would be for the rest of my life, with no room to move up. I realised I wanted a job that allowed me to one day buy a house, and run a car, not to be mega rich, just to be able to live comfortably and perhaps support my parents as they get old too.

    I thought about what I currently liked, flowers plants design, and someone suggested landscape architecture. I'm finishing my first year of university now at 25, and have 2 more years. I was lucky I had it suggested, maybe ask other people what they think may suit you. Think about your skills.

    I don't fully expect to love my job every single day when I finish, but I'll enjoy it and be able to live happily for it.

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    VisenGod wrote: »
    Thanks everyone. I think the biggest part of my problem is not knowing what I want out of life. I can look at what I have and say, "Wow, that looks awesome," but I can't get the objective view to match my subjective perspective.

    Yeah, this problem is not fun. Objectively speaking, our lives are likely more comfortable and secure than the vast majority of humans who have ever existed.

    And yet everything still sucks.

    One question you might ask is whether wanting something out of life is necessary. Life might be an end in itself, rather than a means to some end.

    I can't get that idea to work for me, but maybe you'll have better luck with it.

  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Blight on Discourse Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    Being flexible and widely capable is a rare skill in itself. A lot of people (such as me) can only do one thing and would be screwed if that thing didn't happen any more. Take pride in your versatility. And apply for jobs that are new to you because you probably would get bored doing the same job twice.

    100x this. I've jumped around a lot over the last 6 years because of the recession and some shit employers, haven't been at a position for longer than a year, usually a lot less; but even though my roles have been very different they've all been related and I just closed a job offer for a role they usually recruit people with 20-30 years of experience for because that's how long most people take to build up the breadth I have.

    Sometimes life really seems like it sucks but it can never get better if you're not still standing taking the punches in the interim.

    I definitely echo the "find something with meaning to you that isn't a career" advice of others. I don't give a fuck about my career besides using it to make as much money as I possibly can to meet my other goals, those being: 1. Make enough money to provide a significantly standard of living for my children than I had. 2. Help as many other people as I possibly can have better lives.

    I get a lot of satisfaction out of working toward those things because of how hard things have been for me, even when it's in little ways, even though it's not strictly "living for myself".

  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    Being flexible and widely capable is a rare skill in itself. A lot of people (such as me) can only do one thing and would be screwed if that thing didn't happen any more. Take pride in your versatility. And apply for jobs that are new to you because you probably would get bored doing the same job twice.

    As a counterpoint, I am flexible and have a pretty versatile skill set, but I have gotten to the point where I feel I would be better served by becoming an expert in something.

    I too have tried a variety of career paths without getting too impassioned over any of them. I don't think it is an uncommon sentiment. Personally, I've come to the conclusion that being passionate about what you do isn't really that important. Getting a good career and good earnings out of it is more important.

    I have tried a lot of things that i've felt 'meh' about, but I always enjoy being the expert on something. I've also found that being the expert on something (or one of the few experts) will make you more valuable and let you earn more money. As shallow as it may sound, more money gives you more means to find fulfillment outside of work.

    As others have said, having a successful career won't necessarily make you happy, but can give you the means to make yourself happy. Find something you don't hate, that you have a knack for, and that has reasonable career prospects, and make a career out of it.

  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
    The best employees are T-shaped employees.

    People who are competent in several areas, but very good in one (the one thing being represented by the tall part of the T)

    One trick ponies limit themselves severely, and people who are just alright at a bunch of things are called "middle managers" and nobody likes those

    be a T-shape

    Jasconius on
    this is a discord of mostly PA people interested in fighting games: https://discord.gg/DZWa97d5rz

    we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
  • Ash of YewAsh of Yew Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    VisenGod wrote: »
    My question is - what do people do when they don't feel like they fit in anywhere? I feel like Scarlett Johansson's character in Lost in Translation or the dude in Office Space. It sucks. It's depressing. I'd love some insight.

    I took the 'Grad School' route. But, yeah, I understand the feeling.

    My therapist has been pushing me on the question for a few weeks, and I only ever have the same answer: I'm here. I don't really want to be...but people seem to frown on the idea of suicide. There isn't anything I want to do.

    From what I can tell, this is a question that an individual must answer for their self. Tips for success include, but are not limited to:

    1) Go out and try new things.
    2) Go out and meet new people.
    3) Read about new ideas, perspectives, concepts.
    4) Find Jesus.

    I don't find any of those compelling. But I do take a bit of comfort in knowing that not everyone is a purpose-driven winner. There are numerous people like us who stare at reality, unsure of what to do with it, and are completely ambivalent to the idea of achievement and goal fulfillment.

    I don't have an answer. But I can tell you that you aren't alone in your quest to find one.

    Yeah I don't have any advice but this is basically me as well.

  • PacificstarPacificstar Registered User regular
    I would say try to get into the start-up scene if you can. People will generally let you take on as much responsibility as you want, and you are rarely silo'd into doing only one thing. I've done the consulting thing, and other stuff, but start-up scene has been fulfilling like nothing else.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    The best employees are T-shaped employees.

    People who are competent in several areas, but very good in one (the one thing being represented by the tall part of the T)

    One trick ponies limit themselves severely, and people who are just alright at a bunch of things are called "middle managers" and nobody likes those

    be a T-shape

    I am basically a middle manager right now and agree with this completely. I didn't set out to be a middle manager, but because I'm flexible and can learn ANYTHING, I've been resourced as a gap fill for just about everything. This has made me pretty competent at all sorts of things, but makes it nearly impossible for me to transition jobs and justify my salary, because no one hires "someone pretty good at everything." They either hire young, untrained folks for semi-competent development in an area, or experts in an area. You may end up being a jack-of-all-trades on the job AFTER hiring, but getting a job is all about the highest point on your "T."

    What is this I don't even.
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