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From [Ukraine] with Love 2: The Crimea is not Enough!
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I disagree.
US actions were shitty, even monstrous. There's a difference between propping up friendly regimes and wars of territorial expansion
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"Is there anything you can do to help end the bloodshed in Ukraine, President Obama?"
"I'll be happy to help President Putin. Let me make a phone call."
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"Hello, President Putin? Please stop the bloodshed in Ukraine."
And oh shit the US sent someone from the cia to the Ukraine, Russia will totally use this to blame us for THEIR INVASION OF THE UKRAINE THAT THEY WERE ALREADY DOING!
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The question is, how does the US respond? I don't like that shit.
Rus gonna Rus
Although if the soviets used to ram our ships without us responding I'm probably overreacting.
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
There's a big difference between Crimea (heavily Russian-speaking population, historically Russian, politically divided from the rest of Ukraine) and the shores of Ukraine proper (mostly Ukrainian speaking, hasn't been part of Russia for the last century, does not like Russia one bit, zero chance of fabricating a real claim to the region).
I don't disagree. Off the top of my head, there's only one region that has a thin majority of Russian speakers in the East and South. And that's beside the fact that being Russian speaking doesn't directly correlate to being pro-Russian annexation or for Ukrainian federalisation.
The question was what Russia (or more realistically, Putin) wants, not what Ukraine wants, nor what Russia will necessary get.
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Russia gonna Russia.
This reminds me of my childhood in the kindergarten where we used to drive around in so-called Moon-carts (peddle-powered metal cages). The only reason we drove into each other was because we were assholes and wanted to ruin the day for the other guy.
Shoulda turned our ship into them, capsized them. Then I'd LOL.
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Eh, that stuff went both ways during the Cold War. I recall reading a story in 'Blind Man's Bluff' about one of our subs doing a hit and run in Soviet territorial waters among other rammings. Not to mention things like running aircraft at Soviet air defense zones and turning away at the last minute - standard fucking with each other stuff.
And remember - we actively and regularly invaded Soviet airspace with U2 and SR71 recon aircraft. Unauthorized invasion of another country's airspace is an act of war.
That's just standard dick-waving. Nobody is going to start a shooting war over that.
Edit: NPR just had a piece on how dependent Russia is on Ukranian military manufacturing, even if they don't admit that the Ukraine contributed a ton to the Soviet military/industrial complex. Similarly, Russia is the largest buyer of Ukraine's military industry. They were talking about things going back to like 1994. It was pretty fascinating, and pretty well highlighted how hard it is going to be to untangle these two countries, if ever.
Russia also still semi-regularly sends bombers into the North Sea right up to the UK's airspace. Testing reaction times and dick waving.
Seems Russia is a fan of that thing kids do where they wave a hand right in front of your face while saying 'not touching you, you can't get mad'. Only they do it with weapons.
And we do 'exercises' with bombers and air patrols in the Bering and Baltic Seas, as well as the Sea of Japan.
That's not even counting the regular RC-135 / EP3 flights along the edges of Russian (and Chinese) territory.
Just because the Cold War ended doesn't mean those games stopped.
I also saw this on RT and the Beeber.
Something tells me that this crackdown can't be too bad if unarmed people can stop a tank, eh?
Sometimes Russian propaganda works against itself.
Oh god, I accidentally read some of the comments.
The UN finds claims of persecution of ethnic Russians to basically be bullshit.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/15/us-ukraine-crisis-un-idUSBREA3E0EQ20140415 Thanks Russia for the totally independent Russian media whipping them into a state of fear and anger.
Not really, there's a reason countries operate with strict rules of engagement even in war time, and most of the time it's pretty clear what rules another unit is operating under and what you can safely do to fuck with them. And Russia historically just loves to fuck with people.
For example, in Vietnam, certain air missions would only be allowed to attack if fired on first. So smartass enemy pilots who recognized such a mission would fly in close and flick them off, or people on the ground would moon them, and all the pilot could do was zip around and try to act threatening and hope somebody would get twitchy and shoot first (which they wouldn't do as long as the US plane outmatched them), which is just about the closest you can get to mooning them back without causing the most embarrassing military plane crash ever.
"How dare you put down an insurrection sparked by your neighbor to take over more of your own country, that the citizens of your country are protesting you for not doing."
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Ergo, Putin doesn't think anyone in the world will note the difference between an unarmed protest of government corruption that turned into a revolution and an armed insurrection financed by a foreign power.
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The Kramatorsk airport has been recaptured and the "anti-terror operation" in Donetsk under way.
Maybe something like the shenanigans that were pulled to take away the Republic of China's seat and give it to the People's Republic?
Sorry Russia, the USSR was a permanent member so there are only four of us in the club now. Piss off.
Two methods:
1) Make all of Russia's nuclear weapons turn into faerie dust.
or
2) Decide that the UN isn't even going to pretend to be effective.
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No because obama didn't take his shirt off and hump a cat.
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If Russia can convince its population that they are on a war footing, shared deprivation can actually strengthen the government in the short term.
The ramming of NATO ships by Warsaw Pact ships tended to be limited to interference with freedom of navigation missions. The Soviets and by extension the Warsaw Pact members claimed they controlled navigation within the 12 mile limit. The US rejected this and sent ships in to make their point. The above video is actually from the same mission where the Yorktown and Caron were just off the Crimean Peninsula.