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Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better [Feminism]

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    WOMAN ON FIRE: HELP, IM ON FIRE

    MAN: NO, I DONT THINK YOU ARE ACTUALLY, I CHECKED MY OWN SELF AND IM NOT ON FIRE AT ALL

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Excellent poem by Patricia Lockwood called rape joke (trigger warning)

    http://www.theawl.com/2013/07/rape-joke-patricia-lockwood

    Damn.

  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    I know it's in jest but can we stop with the not all men memes?

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Kochikens wrote: »
    kick ass women

    tumblr_muzqc8QQJV1rqrubuo1_500.jpg

    her name is rin nakai and look at her fight history

    rin nakai is also marketed in an incredibly scummy and sleazy way

    http://uproxx.com/sports/2014/05/we-need-to-talk-about-rin-nakai-you-guys/

  • vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    It's also been interesting to see my follower count ebb and flow.

    It used to be that every time I'd start going into social justice rage mode, I'd lose more than I'd gain.

    But, one thing that stuck out.

    Was involved in a conversation with someone who was basically saying 'dudes, stop saying 'not all men' and listen, please'. Someone started in on her, I made a comment, they replied and so I called them a 'waste of space and a useless turd'.' Their response was to fling a little abuse my way and then stop.

    However, they kept going after this women over and over and over. For fucking saying 'guys, think before you talk' while ignoring my 'you are literally a waste of space and a useless fucking turd'.

    Just.. fuck.

    WATCH THIS SPACE.
  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    you cant really 'stop' a meme it just goes away by itself usually

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    My current feminist hero is Kate Leth of http://kateordie.tumblr.com/

    Not only is she a kickass cartoonist in her own right, she organizes a regular Ladies' Night at my local comic shop, to encourage women to try comics, and to give them a guaranteed safe space where they can browse and ask questions without fear of being called "fake geek girls" or any other bullshit (not that such behaviour would fly the rest of the time at the shop, the owner and staff have no patience for that nonsense). She's also organized a group (http://bewarethevalkyries.com/) for women who work in comic shop to hang out and talk.

    oh, and she's totally badass:
    kate.jpg

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    vsove wrote: »
    It's also been interesting to see my follower count ebb and flow.

    It used to be that every time I'd start going into social justice rage mode, I'd lose more than I'd gain.

    But, one thing that stuck out.

    Was involved in a conversation with someone who was basically saying 'dudes, stop saying 'not all men' and listen, please'. Someone started in on her, I made a comment, they replied and so I called them a 'waste of space and a useless turd'.' Their response was to fling a little abuse my way and then stop.

    However, they kept going after this women over and over and over. For fucking saying 'guys, think before you talk' while ignoring my 'you are literally a waste of space and a useless fucking turd'.

    Just.. fuck.

    Man in that scenario you aren't considered the enemy

    That's terrible to say but it's the truth

    There are some dudes who see this as an us vs. them thing, as if women are going to storm the god damn castle and then make men into slaves, and not in the sexy way

    They think they're being defensive against a real threat

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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    vsove wrote: »
    It's also been interesting to see my follower count ebb and flow.

    It used to be that every time I'd start going into social justice rage mode, I'd lose more than I'd gain.

    But, one thing that stuck out.

    Was involved in a conversation with someone who was basically saying 'dudes, stop saying 'not all men' and listen, please'. Someone started in on her, I made a comment, they replied and so I called them a 'waste of space and a useless turd'.' Their response was to fling a little abuse my way and then stop.

    However, they kept going after this women over and over and over. For fucking saying 'guys, think before you talk' while ignoring my 'you are literally a waste of space and a useless fucking turd'.

    Just.. fuck.

    Reminds me of this:
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  • KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Kochikens wrote: »
    kick ass women

    tumblr_muzqc8QQJV1rqrubuo1_500.jpg

    her name is rin nakai and look at her fight history

    rin nakai is also marketed in an incredibly scummy and sleazy way

    http://uproxx.com/sports/2014/05/we-need-to-talk-about-rin-nakai-you-guys/

    fuuckk thats repugnant

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    I know I talk about wrestling a lot

    but let's talk about joshi, you guys

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTUNa0s4yzk

    this is some of the straight best, hardest, most athletic performance work you'll see and they tear themselves apart to put on a great match, and are treated with almost categorical respect


    edit I have to post bull nakano and manami toyota

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQdRRAM33b8&feature=kp

    WeedLordVegeta on
  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    also, you get a lot of joshi stars coming over to america to beat the living shit out of some of the best male indie wrestlers on the circuit

  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    feminism thread did you know that bunny yeager died yesterday

    she did some amazing work in the 50s (a woman... that took pictures of women being lewd???)

    also known as the lady who took that photo of ursula andress in dr. no

    you know the one

  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    I know it's in jest but can we stop with the not all men memes?

    Could you run me through your issue with the meme?

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Aw crud, I didn't know that Beasteh, thanks

    Timely thread then, let's all get our lewd on

  • bowtiedsealbowtiedseal Registered User regular
    Book recommendation for ladies: the gift of fear by Gavin de Becker. It's about trusting your instincts and protecting yourself.

  • FyndirFyndir Registered User regular
    Kochikens wrote: »

    [snip]
    Probably because women have been systematically written out of history.

    What astrophysicist Edward Charles Pickering did , assembling a team of female scientists, such as Annie Jump Cannon, Henrietta Swan Leavitt and Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin, to do the work for him, is known as the harem effect and is a common phenomenon in science history.

    Annie Jump Cannon.

    Best name or BEST NAME?

  • bowtiedsealbowtiedseal Registered User regular
    I experience the world as a woman and a person of color, which means I usually get my sexism with a dash of racism. Good times.

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    I know it's in jest but can we stop with the not all men memes?

    Could you run me through your issue with the meme?

    For me it's amusing to a point, but then it reminds me that oh yeah, I do have to constantly defend myself and my viewpoint because things I say make people uncomfortable and butthurt

    I get really tired of being reminded my pain is not as important as some dude's, even in jest

  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    Speaking for a moment, in light of recent events which I would hope people already know about, I do worry about one thing.

    Like this whole issue, I would more or less classify it as a hate crime.

    Yet, as always in these cases I feel a lot of the mainstream media will quickly jump on some mental illness angle. Not to say that maybe there wasn't some kind of psychosis involved. But I feel like if we look at this crime without examination of the power dynamics involved it is a very much a missed opportunity to understand why even if most people don't act in the way this guy did, his kind of attitude isn't rare.

    But knowing the media it'll probably just end up "LOLCRAZY" and then some shots of people crying, maybe some celebrities here and there and we'll quickly sweep it under the rug.

    Dragkonias on
  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    I see a society still taking notes from malicious ad campaigns from the early and mid 20th century and it crushes my soul

    "traditional" gender roles not based on merit but corporate profit

    Xehalus on
  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    I know it's in jest but can we stop with the not all men memes?

    Could you run me through your issue with the meme?

    The problem is that it's an in joke. From the outside, people just see ludicrous situations with "not all men" captions that are really hard to understand if you haven't been following along. Especially if you're a guy it just adds that small layer of inaacessibility to an already confusing issue.

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    I experience the world as a woman and a person of color, which means I usually get my sexism with a dash of racism. Good times.

    Bits you make an excellent point, and something I super struggle with, because so often I see feminists focused on the success of white ciswomen, which is...still bigotry

    Representation is important, y'all

    Usagi on
  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited May 2014
    my time on and off the forums since like... 2004 at least have been a pretty big learning curve re: how i was made aware of the privilege that shields me on a daily basis

    being white, cisgendered, heterosexual and male i am several huge fucking orders of magnitude less likely to be attacked, threatened or targeted for who i am

    this is a thing i remind myself near-constantly, and the events of the past few days make it more thuddingly evident that the patriarchy is a hideous fucked up thing that needs to die asap

    Beasteh on
  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    @Usagi‌ I still want to ride your shoulders and rule Bartertown

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  • nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    Speaking for a moment, in light of recent events which I would hope people already know about, I do worry about one thing.

    Like this whole issue, I would more or less classify it as a hate crime.

    Yet, as always in these cases I feel a lot of the mainstream media will quickly jump on some mental illness angle. Not to say that maybe there wasn't some kind of psychosis involved. But I feel like if we look at this crime without examination of the power dynamics involved it is a very much a missed opportunity to understand why even if most people don't act in the way this guy did, his kind of attitude isn't rare.

    But knowing the media it'll probably just end up "LOLCRAZY" and then some shots of people crying, maybe some celebrities here and there and we'll quickly sweep it under the rug.
    It's not just a Hate Crime, it's an act of Terrorism.

    I'm not going to be silent about this, I'll continue to correct people everywhere I go on this matter. I don't care of he was a delusional narcissist with aspergers, are you going to suggest to me that those are the only kinds of people that would commit such a heinous act?
    EDIT: "You" as in News Media.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    @Usagi‌ I still want to ride your shoulders and rule Bartertown

    YIISSSSSSSSSSSSS

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Hey Gumpy while you're in this thread I wanted to say I think your uni is very lucky to have you represent them because I know how much you care about this sort of thing and want to have all types of people represented at your uni and I'm glad we're mates.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    Speaking for a moment, in light of recent events which I would hope people already know about, I do worry about one thing.

    Like this whole issue, I would more or less classify it as a hate crime.

    Yet, as always in these cases I feel a lot of the mainstream media will quickly jump on some mental illness angle. Not to say that maybe there wasn't some kind of psychosis involved. But I feel like if we look at this crime without examination of the power dynamics involved it is a very much a missed opportunity to understand why even if most people don't act in the way this guy did, his kind of attitude isn't rare.

    But knowing the media it'll probably just end up "LOLCRAZY" and then some shots of people crying, maybe some celebrities here and there and we'll quickly sweep it under the rug.

    what is rare is actually following through and killing people, and if you substitute, say, racism in there (there was already racism in there but whatever), you'll be missing the qualifiers deemed legally necessary for a hate crime.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    I experience the world as a woman and a person of color, which means I usually get my sexism with a dash of racism. Good times.

    Bits you make an excellent point, and something I super struggle with, because so often I see feminists focused on the success of white ciswomen, which is...still bigotry

    Representation is important, y'all

    Yeah, why I really shy away from any mainstream feminism talk.

    Far too often I see people willing to throw another marginalized group under the bus to gain more leverage themselves.

    Isn't just feminism, I also see it in race politics and LGBTQ advocacy. So I'm also mindful of stuff like that.

  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    For the longest time I really didn't identify as a feminist because almost everything I saw from "feminists" came from batshit TERFs.

    Like, I had my beliefs which I now realize were feminist all along, but I was completely unwilling to accept being called feminist.

    It was only around 2, maybe two and a half years ago when I came across a legitimately intersectional feminist page on FB that I would be willing to call myself feminist.

    Can't express how annoying it is that not only are MRA's, far-rights and various others doing everything they can to turn "Feminist" into something slanderous, but many self-identified feminists are too.

  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    Speaking for a moment, in light of recent events which I would hope people already know about, I do worry about one thing.

    Like this whole issue, I would more or less classify it as a hate crime.

    Yet, as always in these cases I feel a lot of the mainstream media will quickly jump on some mental illness angle. Not to say that maybe there wasn't some kind of psychosis involved. But I feel like if we look at this crime without examination of the power dynamics involved it is a very much a missed opportunity to understand why even if most people don't act in the way this guy did, his kind of attitude isn't rare.

    But knowing the media it'll probably just end up "LOLCRAZY" and then some shots of people crying, maybe some celebrities here and there and we'll quickly sweep it under the rug.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/25/fox-news-psychotherapist-california-shootings-were-caused-by-homosexual-impulses/

    no but you see this guy who spoke exclusively about hating women and wanting to kill them for not jumping on his dick was totally gay, yep, that makes a lot of sense

  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    Paladin wrote: »
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    Speaking for a moment, in light of recent events which I would hope people already know about, I do worry about one thing.

    Like this whole issue, I would more or less classify it as a hate crime.

    Yet, as always in these cases I feel a lot of the mainstream media will quickly jump on some mental illness angle. Not to say that maybe there wasn't some kind of psychosis involved. But I feel like if we look at this crime without examination of the power dynamics involved it is a very much a missed opportunity to understand why even if most people don't act in the way this guy did, his kind of attitude isn't rare.

    But knowing the media it'll probably just end up "LOLCRAZY" and then some shots of people crying, maybe some celebrities here and there and we'll quickly sweep it under the rug.

    what is rare is actually following through and killing people, and if you substitute, say, racism in there (there was already racism in there but whatever), you'll be missing the qualifiers deemed legally necessary for a hate crime.

    Well, the thing is I don't like to focus on just the legality to it.

    Because the legal world is a world of language and our legal language is affected by perception.

    And we live in a world where violence against women generally isn't considered hateful. So I'm not surprised there isn't much legal language for it in that regard.

    Dragkonias on
  • AvalonGuardAvalonGuard Registered User regular
    Back in April, a group of Mormon women were protesting the Priesthood (read: men only) Session of General Conference (twice yearly church-wide meeting), asking for authoritative equality in the Church. You can equate that to women wanting to be priests or bishops or whatever in other religions.

    The first talk/speech/whatever of the session had incredibly awful lines; "god made women and men seperate but equal, with different roles" and "women need to worry more about responsibilites, not about rights", the second of which was removed entirely from the widely distributed written version of the speech; you know, the only version that women receive.

    I haven't been an active member of the Church in seven years or so, but for the first time I felt like an enemy in there midst. If I, a white male, felt that way, I can't imagine what some women must feel having that attitude directed at them.

    That day I decided that instead of being simply apathetic about Mormonism, that I would no longer support or associate with the church. It's small, I know, and does nothing to directly help, but at least when someone asks why I'm "inactive", I can tell them straight out that I am against inequality and what the Church stands for.

    I want my little sisters, and any future children or wife I may have, to feel totally safe and comfortable to go about their daily lives, and to have the same opportunities as any one else.

    TL,DR; this thread rocks and I support feminism.

  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited May 2014
    heres a thing i wrote elsewhere
    the terrifying thing is how many niceguys there are just like him, who are unfailingly charming and polite and hide their true nature until the day they twist and start killing, who build women up as imaginary foes who thwart them at every turn
    100% of women have to deal with elliot rodgers in some shape or form

    Beasteh on
  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    Beasteh wrote: »
    WOMAN ON FIRE: HELP, IM ON FIRE

    MAN: NO, I DONT THINK YOU ARE ACTUALLY, I CHECKED MY OWN SELF AND IM NOT ON FIRE AT ALL

    There's a webcomic on white privilege that I wish I could find.

    It's about a dude with an umbrella in the rain next to a guy who doesn't have one.

    Haven't a clue what the webcomic is called, though.

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  • bowtiedsealbowtiedseal Registered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    I experience the world as a woman and a person of color, which means I usually get my sexism with a dash of racism. Good times.

    Bits you make an excellent point, and something I super struggle with, because so often I see feminists focused on the success of white ciswomen, which is...still bigotry

    Representation is important, y'all

    @usagi <3

    Another book recommendation for the thread - ain't i a woman: black women and feminism by bell hooks. It's so good. So good. And a fast read!

  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Hey Gumpy while you're in this thread I wanted to say I think your uni is very lucky to have you represent them because I know how much you care about this sort of thing and want to have all types of people represented at your uni and I'm glad we're mates.

    I was very lucky to have some exceptional women help me. The progress that our feminist society has made in the last three years its excellent and its membership has exploded. The lady who really put the work in just graduated and I feel like the university is losing one of its best officers.

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    I LOVE BELL HOOKS SO MUCH
    bell hooks wrote:
    Think of all the women you know who will not allow themselves to be seen without makeup. I often wonder how they feel about themselves at night when they are climbing into bed with intimate partners. Are they overwhelmed with secret shame that someone sees them as they really are? Or do they sleep with rage that who they really are can be celebrated or cared for only in secret?

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