The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.
Security Questions and Guns
thetemp2011
Registered User regular
Registered User regular
in PAX West
I'm just wondering with all the craziness going around with shootings in the news lately are there any policies in the convention center on weapons, I read the general security FAQ that they had on the PAX site I know they wont allow NERF guns or BB Guns of course but I would like to hear something more specific in regards to keeping people secure. I have been to two PAX conventions and I noticed anyone with a badge can go in and out without going through metal detectors or any type of security check in the convention center and I would also like to know if there would be new security protocols to expect.
0
Posts
That said, anyone that knows me understands how seriously I take security at PAX - it's something that's always at the forefront of our discussions, internally.
Here is a link to the six rules of Pax:
http://prime.paxsite.com/safety-and-security
This might be what your looking for http://prime.paxsite.com/safety-and-security
For reference, In Boston, the venue determined the proximity (geographically and date wise) to the Boston Marathon Bombing anniversary warranted doing bag checks at our single venue, which we felt was absolutely reasonable.
Hey, we can never be too sure...
I'm an alumni from the high school in Oregon and I never expected that to happen in my own hometown.
PAX Prime 2014 [X]
PAX Prime 2015 [X]
This can't be more well put, especially with how quick these tickets go, if some crazy person who was dying to go doesn't get to go...
Better safe than sorry
Absolutely untrue, see RCW 9.41.300 (2b). Having a Washington CPL is an exemption.
Sure, a private property owner can trespass you on general principles, but that's not what Mr. Khoo said. His statement about it being disallowed for licensed CPL holders is flat out misinformation.
This is just silly. SILLY.
The only guns that belong at PAX are NERF guns and those were even banned from PAX before PAX left Bellevue.
I do miss the Nerf Wars, though...
On your first point, I imagine there are a lot of PAX folks that just lurk here until they find something they want to respond to. Just because someone hasn't posted here before doesn't mean they're not a PAX'er.
And I don't believe this is silly at all. Washington State Law is pretty clear on the subject, and PAX isn't the only event that occurs at WSCC. I don't see anything wrong with someone trying to correct disinformation.
I was linked here from another site, and decided to register to dispel the misinformation.
I don't really know what to say to this, other than for some, no explanation is necessary.. for others, none will do. That doesn't change the law.
Look if you are here for some kind of legal/political debate you are in the wrong place. The question was what is PA going to do to keep things safe. This has nothing to do with the legalities of carrying with a permit. PA says no guns or you will be booted out. That's the correct answer to the question. Please stay on topic.
Just to be clear though, as you note, legal and allowed are two different things. PAX, being a private party, can make their own policies. However the WSCC cannot do so when it comes to certain things, such as concealed carry of a firearm. So when you say "this does not seem to be allowed by the WSCC", that's not correct. Whether they like it or not, they can't do that. Private groups using the facility may be able to do so, but the WSCC themselves can't make a blanket rule like that, they are in violation of state law if they do. As I noted earlier, other groups use the WSCC during the year, and despite efforts to the contrary, the WSCC doesn't get to make the rules in this regard for other organizations. PAX can make their own policies, and so can other groups. The WSCC is not a private party and doesn't get that luxury. That's the point I was trying to clear up, and why Khoo's statement was incorrect, or at least misleading.
Topics change. This doesn't have to be a legal/political debate in order to have a discussion. The original question was answered, but there was some misleading information given as well, hence the response that brought up the legal issues. I don't find anything wrong with continuing a civil discussion about how the law works and how it affects the WSCC. I'm sorry if you feel the need to direct or end the conversation, but no one is forcing you to participate.
And speaking of topic change- when I say "how it affects the WSCC". Is it affects or effects? I think it's an "a" not an "e", since it has a direct subject of the verb, but I always get this one confused.
No what I feel is you are putting a bunch of info here an average PAX goer cares very little about. We care about going to PAX, having fun, playing games and staying safe. You on the other hand are simply trolling to put out your feelings about CC. What people come to this thread to see is about safety concern without having to sift through tons of useless comments about legal/lawfulness of concealed carry.
FWIW, I don't care about the legal side. If someone cares about the legal side they can go research the state laws. What I care about is what PA says is the rules for PAX. This forum is for PAX specifically. You want to talk guns and laws, go find a forum for firearms. If you want I can happily PM you a few links.
"Affects" is the correct usage here. To use "effect," the phrasing would be "how it has an effect on the WSCC." I don't know how grammatically correct the second statement is past that, though. And I've now exhausted all knowledge I have that is pertinent to ANY of the discussion going on in this thread.
PAX Prime attendance: '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '12, '13, '14, '15, '16
Please don't presume to say what I care about. You are assuming an argument I am not making, and trying to put words in my mouth. You say "We care..." as though you speak for the group, and then in the next sentence exclude me, as though I'm not part of that "we". I too care about going to PAX, having fun, playing games and staying safe. I've been going to PAX since '09, and I'm a huge geek too. (I could be specific, but I don't want to get into a battle of who's got more 'geek cred' because that just reinforces the 'fake geek' concept, and is bad for everyone involved). There's a lot of diverse interests and diverse people at PAX (yay!).
I just dislike it when incorrect information gets quoted as fact, particularly when it's about something I care about. I am sorry if you think that's trolling- The original poster asked a question, was answered, and there was clearly some discrepancy here (note how Khoo's response differs from the @Official_Pax response). I find the minutiae of law (and in particular firearms law) very interesting, and it's something I geek out about. I realize that's not the point of PAX, but this discussion is relevant (though becoming rapidly less so) since it deals with the WSCC and PAX and how it intersects with those topics.
I've got several, thanks. I do care about the legal side, both because it's something I find interesting, but also because it directly relates to PAX and other events at WSCC. If the policy for PAX is no concealed carry, great- then @official_pax and Khoo should probably get on the same page. It doesn't help the situation to make misleading statements as to what is allowed at WSCC. PAX is more than just WSCC, and WSCC is more than PAX. How about the other hotels at PAX? Someone could read the @official_pax response above, and Khoo's statement and interpret that as "it's ok at PAX, just not at the WSCC." (not that I think that's the intent, but you could see how that interpretation could happen.)
You are obviously not being included in the blanket statement of "average PAX goer" in this instance, because you are perpetrating the ongoing spirit-vs-letter internet-argument nonsense-conversation happening here. AA is right. Given the number of views on this thread, and the number of replies (not to mention the number of active participants), the AVERAGE PAX GOER has basically 2% interested in this whole thing - and that interest has basically already been exhausted, with the answer to the original question being answered.
/thread
Your badge can be revoked at any time for any reason deemed prudent by Reed or PAX staff or WSCC staff.
Yep. That's perfectly clear.
What's still a bit unclear is what is PAX's official policy on concealed carry by licensed individuals. There is nothing about it in the official policy page here: http://prime.paxsite.com/safety-and-security. What we have is one post from @official_pax that (paraphrased) basically says "we don't like it, but oh well." and one from Khoo, saying "It's not allowed at WSCC" which might mean that PAX's policy is no CC, or it might mean he believes that is WSCC's policy.
I'm genuinely sorry if the subject offends folks, that's not my intent. And I realize that a lot of PAX folks (perhaps even the majority) don't care. I don't think that is a valid reason for calling me a troll and my points "nonsense" for trying to get at the heart of the matter and understand what the actual policy is, or whether PAX is just deferring to local law. If this otherwise civil discussion is such a burden to folks, I can drop the issue. It seemed to be a relevant topic branch based on the original question and initial responses.
Concealed carry is legal at the WSCC. No firearms are allowed at PAX. If you have a firearm at PAX you will be asked to leave. You haven't committed any crime, you just can't be at PAX with a firearm.
PAX, as the party renting the space, does have the right to set limits on attendees and this is one they have set.
That is the official position.
Excellent, thanks for the clarification, Aaron. It would be nice if that official position gets added to the safety and security page.