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PostPost Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm somewhat interested in getting a new tv of sorts and I was wondering what is the way to go for a middle of the line tv capable of all that high def goodness i hear abuot for 360/ps3 as well as the high def channels.

I sort of know the types lcd plasma etc but I have never really bought a tv before so I was looking for advice. Best bang for buck type of thing that will last me. thanks pals

maybe pros/cons of types and or any specific model reccomendations woudl really help. at the moment i dont really have lots of room for a tv as i only really have my room to put it in :S

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  • HlubockyHlubocky Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The most important thing is to think about the room you will be putting the TV in. With the relatively high price of these units, it is easy to settle for something that isn't the ideal size for your room. Remember a 32" 4:3 TV will look huge, whereas a 32" 16:9 TV will not. LCD seems to be the way of the future, though many people recommend plasmas. I bought a 32" Samsung LCD (3251D model if I remember correctly) for my small apartment living room and it has worked out great. If you have a larger space, you might want to look at the 37" or 40" models. As far as which models are considered 'middle of the road' I'm not really sure. I guess the Samsung models are on the higher quality/price end, though many people swear by some monitors (no tuner) by Westinghouse or some of the other value brands. Best thing to say is go take a look and read opinions on AVSForum (though remember that they can spew 1000 criticisms for a model they absolutely love).

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  • PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    This is my understanding of high definition TV technologies:

    LCD : best picture quality, can't do deep blacks, most expensive

    Plasma: slightly worse picture quality, better blacks, higher power consumption, weighs a ton.

    DLP/Projection: slightly worse picture quality still, crappy viewing angles, huge screen size/$, weighs a ton

    FWIW I have a 46" Sharp Aquos LCD.

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  • saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Philodox wrote: »
    This is my understanding of high definition TV technologies:

    LCD: best picture quality, can't do deep blacks, most expensive

    Plasma: slightly worse picture quality, better blacks, higher power consumption, weighs a ton.

    DLP/Projection: slightly worse picture quality still, crappy viewing angles, huge screen size/$, weights a ton

    FWIW I have a 46" Sharp Aquos LCD.

    CRT has the best picture quality.

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    saltiness wrote: »
    Philodox wrote: »
    This is my understanding of high definition TV technologies:

    LCD: best picture quality, can't do deep blacks, most expensive

    Plasma: slightly worse picture quality, better blacks, higher power consumption, weighs a ton.

    DLP/Projection: slightly worse picture quality still, crappy viewing angles, huge screen size/$, weights a ton

    FWIW I have a 46" Sharp Aquos LCD.

    CRT has the best picture quality.

    There aren't any large CRT HDTVs and they don't do 1080p so it's pointless to even mention it.

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  • Food?Food? Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    LCD doesn't get burn-in, and the missing deep-blacks are hard to notice since your eyes don't really have anything to compare them to while you're watching.

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  • redimpulseredimpulse Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You know what's a pretty good HDTV thats not too expensive?

    Samsung SlimFit CRT HDTVs. They only go up to 30", so if you have a smaller area it's really perfect. I have one and I sit about 8 feet away and am perfectly pleased with its size and picture quality. All of the perks of HD, the quality and reliability of proven CRT technology, and still slim enough to fit in smaller areas. They're only 17" deep and their build gives off the idea that it's a more expensive LCD or Plasma unit. I paid 700 retail for my 30" last year and I think the prices have gone down with the newer models. Seriously I'd recommend looking into it if you can do with the 30."

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  • PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Some people notice the deep blacks more than others, I fall into the category of blissful ignorance :) Good call on the burn-in, I forgot about that.

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  • Gotcha ForceGotcha Force Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    redimpulse wrote: »
    You know what's a pretty good HDTV thats not too expensive?

    Samsung SlimFit CRT HDTVs. They only go up to 30", so if you have a smaller area it's really perfect. I have one and I sit about 8 feet away and am perfectly pleased with its size and picture quality. All of the perks of HD, the quality and reliability of proven CRT technology, and still slim enough to fit in smaller areas. They're only 17" deep and their build gives off the idea that it's a more expensive LCD or Plasma unit. I paid 700 retail for my 30" last year and I think the prices have gone down with the newer models. Seriously I'd recommend looking into it if you can do with the 30."

    No god no this is the worst investment ever, sorry, but it is.

    Im pretty sure sony has some of its CRTs still hovering around circuit city and stuff, they are a million trillion times better than samsungs.
    Post wrote: »
    I'm somewhat interested in getting a new tv of sorts and I was wondering what is the way to go for a middle of the line tv capable of all that high def goodness i hear abuot for 360/ps3 as well as the high def channels.

    I sort of know the types lcd plasma etc but I have never really bought a tv before so I was looking for advice. Best bang for buck type of thing that will last me. thanks pals

    maybe pros/cons of types and or any specific model reccomendations woudl really help. at the moment i dont really have lots of room for a tv as i only really have my room to put it in :S

    How much are you looking to spend?

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I wouldn't say DLP weighs a ton, but I guess compared to LCD... but me and my mom, who is tiny, could easily lift our new 62" 1080p Samsung DLP (somewhere a bit less than 2k, online). It was at least 3x as light as our 30" CRT or something haha, I needed some serious help moving that fucker.

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  • PirateJonPirateJon Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Today only...

    Refirb Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42” 1080p HDTV Ready LCD TV monitor (no tuner)

    $1049 +$5 shipping

    http://www.woot.com/

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I can move my 56" Samsung 1080p DLP by myself, fairly easily. Great picture, good viewing angles, nice price. Much better tv than the 46" Toshiba 1080i projection tv it replaced.

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  • PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dont get me wrong, any HDTV will have good picture quality. I'm just trying to point out relative strengths of the various formats.

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  • Food?Food? Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    PirateJon wrote: »
    Today only...

    Refirb Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42” 1080p HDTV Ready LCD TV monitor (no tuner)

    $1049 +$5 shipping

    http://www.woot.com/

    Haha I think that's the TV my dad and I bought a few weeks ago, got it for $900 at Best Buy, and it's wonderful. We already have a 5.1 receiver that also does all the video switching, but we had to plug some things into the TV itself (we had component and composite coming out of the receiver into separate TV inputs), and the TV automatically switches the the input that's getting a signal (i.e., when we switch from cable to the VCR, the TV automatically switches from component input 1 to composite input 1). There's a pretty damn big amount of settings you can mess around with too.

    In other words, I highly approve of this TV.

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  • LunaticPumaLunaticPuma Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Philodox wrote: »
    This is my understanding of high definition TV technologies:

    LCD : higher resolution, worse picture quality, can't do deep blacks, most expensive

    Plasma: lower resolution, best picture quality, better blacks, power consumption same as LCD, weighs about the same as LCD.

    DLP/Projection: slightly worse picture quality , crappy viewing angles, huge screen size/$, weighs a little more

    FWIW I have a 46" Sharp Aquos LCD.

    FIX'D

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  • Original RufusOriginal Rufus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    On DLPs...

    I'm a total cinemaphile, and so, in an appropriately lit room, nothing reminds me more of the theater experience than a huge, high quality DLP, as the projection tends to soften the pixelated look.

    But yes, there are marked issues with the format.

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  • redimpulseredimpulse Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    redimpulse wrote: »
    You know what's a pretty good HDTV thats not too expensive?

    Samsung SlimFit CRT HDTVs. They only go up to 30", so if you have a smaller area it's really perfect. I have one and I sit about 8 feet away and am perfectly pleased with its size and picture quality. All of the perks of HD, the quality and reliability of proven CRT technology, and still slim enough to fit in smaller areas. They're only 17" deep and their build gives off the idea that it's a more expensive LCD or Plasma unit. I paid 700 retail for my 30" last year and I think the prices have gone down with the newer models. Seriously I'd recommend looking into it if you can do with the 30."

    No god no this is the worst investment ever, sorry, but it is.

    Im pretty sure sony has some of its CRTs still hovering around circuit city and stuff, they are a million trillion times better than samsungs.

    Could you explain to me why? The two Samsungs I have (one slimfit widescreen and one regular CRT 4:3) have given me absolutely no troubles in the years I have owned them. Picture quality is great. HDMI on my DVD player is beautiful and they have no troubles with my 360 (720p on the regular and 1080i on the slimfit). These two have been far better than the Philips, Magnavox and Sony TVs I've had in previous years.

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  • PirateJonPirateJon Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Food? wrote: »
    PirateJon wrote: »
    Today only...

    Refirb Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42” 1080p HDTV Ready LCD TV monitor (no tuner)

    $1049 +$5 shipping

    http://www.woot.com/

    Haha I think that's the TV my dad and I bought a few weeks ago, got it for $900 at Best Buy, and it's wonderful. We already have a 5.1 receiver that also does all the video switching, but we had to plug some things into the TV itself (we had component and composite coming out of the receiver into separate TV inputs), and the TV automatically switches the the input that's getting a signal (i.e., when we switch from cable to the VCR, the TV automatically switches from component input 1 to composite input 1). There's a pretty damn big amount of settings you can mess around with too.

    In other words, I highly approve of this TV.

    AFAIK bestbuy exclusively carries the W4207, which is 720p. The LVM-42W2 is true 1080p - no upconverting.

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  • PhilodoxPhilodox Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Another benefit of LCD tvs is that they are the most suitable for doubling as a gigantic monitor.

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  • saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    redimpulse wrote: »
    redimpulse wrote: »
    You know what's a pretty good HDTV thats not too expensive?

    Samsung SlimFit CRT HDTVs. They only go up to 30", so if you have a smaller area it's really perfect. I have one and I sit about 8 feet away and am perfectly pleased with its size and picture quality. All of the perks of HD, the quality and reliability of proven CRT technology, and still slim enough to fit in smaller areas. They're only 17" deep and their build gives off the idea that it's a more expensive LCD or Plasma unit. I paid 700 retail for my 30" last year and I think the prices have gone down with the newer models. Seriously I'd recommend looking into it if you can do with the 30."

    No god no this is the worst investment ever, sorry, but it is.

    Im pretty sure sony has some of its CRTs still hovering around circuit city and stuff, they are a million trillion times better than samsungs.

    Could you explain to me why? The two Samsungs I have (one slimfit widescreen and one regular CRT 4:3) have given me absolutely no troubles in the years I have owned them. Picture quality is great. HDMI on my DVD player is beautiful and they have no troubles with my 360 (720p on the regular and 1080i on the slimfit). These two have been far better than the Philips, Magnavox and Sony TVs I've had in previous years.

    Sony XBRs have vastly superior image quality to Samsung. That's why.

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  • redimpulseredimpulse Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    What about lifespan? What about parts/repair ability? What about price, dimensions and weight? One TV may have a better picture quality ("vastly" however is an opinion) but does that make the next competitor the worst investment ever? No.

    I stated "You know what's a pretty good HDTV that's not too expensive?"
    Not "You know what's the best CRT HDTV out and others are so much worse?"

    The Samsung CRT HDTVs are pretty good HDTVs and they're not too expensive.

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  • variantvariant Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    samsung dlps are sweet for the price, im currently looking at a $1300 1080P 50" DLP at my work, looks good from an angle and everything, just waiting on money.

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  • PostPost Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    i was definately looking for somthing under less than or equal to 1000 dollars and I seem to be favoring lcd based on what was said here. my room is maybe 15ft by 15ft or somthing close to that maybe more like 13 18 or somthing but has a sloping ceiling so i lose a lot of space that way unless i could somehow mount the tv on the sloped ceiling althought that might create an awkward viewing angle

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  • redimpulseredimpulse Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    For that price with LCD, this one seems to be an alright unit
    http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OLEVIA-32-2-Series-LCD-HDTV-232V/sem/rpsm/oid/163702/catOid/-12869/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
    From what I've heard, the Olevia LCDs are pretty okay.

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  • saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    redimpulse wrote: »
    What about lifespan? What about parts/repair ability? What about price, dimensions and weight? One TV may have a better picture quality ("vastly" however is an opinion) but does that make the next competitor the worst investment ever? No.

    I stated "You know what's a pretty good HDTV that's not too expensive?"
    Not "You know what's the best CRT HDTV out and others are so much worse?"

    The Samsung CRT HDTVs are pretty good HDTVs and they're not too expensive.

    Sony's are pretty much the same price, which is why I said that. Looking online, a 34" Sony XBR widescreen CRT is $650 at circuit city while a 30" Samsung widescreen CRT is $700.

    Anyways the OP probably doesn't want to consider a CRT, most people don't simply because they think it's antiquated technology. But you really can get something quite nice for very little in terms of cost and only sacrifice an extra foot of space behind it.

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Philodox wrote: »
    This is my understanding of high definition TV technologies:

    LCD : higher resolution, worse picture quality, can't do deep blacks, most expensive

    Plasma: lower resolution, best picture quality, better blacks, power consumption same as LCD, weighs about the same as LCD.

    DLP/Projection: slightly worse picture quality , crappy viewing angles, huge screen size/$, weighs a little more

    FWIW I have a 46" Sharp Aquos LCD.

    FIX'D

    If you prefer grainy, middling resolution images, sure, I guess plasmas have the best picture quality. Personally, I recommend buying a better quality LCD and you'll have black levels that are just fine. The new Sharp Aquos and Samsung displays have (claimed) 15,000:1 contrast ratio, which puts them on par with the vast majority of plasma displays. The black levels may not be quite as dark, but in every other regard they're as good or better than plasma.

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