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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    I would argue it's actively detrimental to her character!

    I mean what part of "strict justice based super warrior" who comes from a place called Heven implies that she would run around half naked?

    spawn comics

  • HermanoHermano Registered User regular
    Good

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    Ungood

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    So that old Dr. Strange book I just read is the craziest comic I have ever read.

    Dr. Strange breaks the universe fighting "The Creators", who turn into stars and replace our stars in order to harness the sun's power, but Dr. Strange figures that out and tries to stop them, and fails, so the Creators all become stars at once and it turns all our stars into people.

    Then he wonders why he lost and shoves his fist in his chest and rips out a demon.

    Then the Earth reforms and he flies down (they were hanging out on an asteroid) and everyone has turned into half-man/half-animal beings. And he turns himself, Clea and Wong until Lion people to hide and gets to his house, only to find this new world has a Dr. Strange who is a wild boar and calls himself "Dr. Stranger Yet".

    But - Jim Starlin, you beautiful bastard - has written one of the best passages since Apocolypse's "Crash upon me and be broken" lines.

    When Strange returns to Earth, this is in the narration boxes.

    "Witness the face of a world gone mad! Witness a people and land lacking both perspective and reason. Witness the laws of nature repealed, the crossbreeding of the inorganic with the organic and the death of sanity. Witness the world that Stephen made."

    Basically if Darren Aronofsky was directing Dr. Strange, this would be the story he would adapt.

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    I would argue it's actively detrimental to her character!

    I mean what part of "strict justice based super warrior" who comes from a place called Heven implies that she would run around half naked?

    spawn comics

    thankfully this is no longer relevant

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    That's like saying if Wonder Woman just wears a bra and panties it's fine because she's still Wonder Woman

    For a large part of her life in comics that's an accurate summation of her costume and her impact on the female fan base.
    Yeah I forgot all of those years where Wonder Woman wore literal underwear

    oh wait that never happened

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    is not a great costume but it is better than Angela's


    like, Wonder Woman has the same exact problem as Angela does which is why people love it when she wears stuff like this:
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    Because that is what she should always be wearing

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    Are they ever going to make a Deadpool money?

    I mean, don't they want all the money in the world, ever?

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I still think it was kind of a bad dumb choice to bring Angela over in the first place.

    Like, yeah, sure her character has turned out to be pretty okay.

    But there is really nothing implicit to that characterization that requires them to use this really awful design laden with really awful baggage though. They could have come up with almost literally anyone to play the role she is playing, and it would have the bonus of not reminding me that Spawn existed.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    It was different when Amanda Conner did it because Amanda Conner is a female artist

    which does make a difference, vis a vis male gaze and so on

    Conner always defended her art with "I like drawing sexy women, we made sure that Karen was a positive and likeable character, what's the big deal"

    whether that's legit is up for debate but personally I don't have a problem as she's not objectifying the character, she's trying to empower her and also include a sexy element the creator feels is fun.

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Fun fact: DC has announced literally nothing at SDCC so far

    they've given updates on existing projects, but they haven't announced a single new comic, show, movie or video game

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  • CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    You guys just don't get it

    They're so empowered they are above clothes

  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    Marvel TV panel live now.

    This is also the time, every year, every Comic Con, that I remember Marvel NEVER releases the video clips online after and are super efficient at making sure it never leaks.

    Dammit.

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I still think it was kind of a bad dumb choice to bring Angela over in the first place.

    Like, yeah, sure her character has turned out to be pretty okay.

    But there is really nothing implicit to that characterization that requires them to use this really awful design laden with really awful baggage though. They could have come up with almost literally anyone to play the role she is playing, and it would have the bonus of not reminding me that Spawn existed.

    they might as well use her since gaiman gave them the rights and they're using her really well aside from the costume

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    It was different when Amanda Conner did it because Amanda Conner is a female artist

    which does make a difference, vis a vis male gaze and so on

    Conner always defended her art with "I like drawing sexy women, we made sure that Karen was a positive and likeable character, what's the big deal"

    whether that's legit is up for debate but personally I don't have a problem as she's not objectifying the character, she's trying to empower her and also include a sexy element the creator feels is fun.

    I personally don't buy this at all

    It's like saying it's impossible for a female artist to also objectify women

    If a man drew the same art she did and gave the same reasoning he would get endless shit for it

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    It was different when Amanda Conner did it because Amanda Conner is a female artist

    which does make a difference, vis a vis male gaze and so on

    Conner always defended her art with "I like drawing sexy women, we made sure that Karen was a positive and likeable character, what's the big deal"

    whether that's legit is up for debate but personally I don't have a problem as she's not objectifying the character, she's trying to empower her and also include a sexy element the creator feels is fun.

    I personally don't buy this at all

    It's like saying it's impossible for a female artist to also objectify women

    If a man drew the same art she did and gave the same reasoning he would get endless shit for it

    That's the defence she gave, and I personally have no beef with it but I don't really feel like arguing to defend it, know what I mean?

  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    The Russo's are directing episodes 2 and 3 of Agent Carter.

    Joe Johnston is directing episode 4.

    Fucking amazing.

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  • HermanoHermano Registered User regular
    Seriously though when is America Chavez getting a solo series


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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Directing styles in TV episodes is something I basically never ever notice

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I may not be excited for Multiversity
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    but man if I don't love Pulp Doc Fate to death

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I still think it was kind of a bad dumb choice to bring Angela over in the first place.

    Like, yeah, sure her character has turned out to be pretty okay.

    But there is really nothing implicit to that characterization that requires them to use this really awful design laden with really awful baggage though. They could have come up with almost literally anyone to play the role she is playing, and it would have the bonus of not reminding me that Spawn existed.

    they might as well use her since gaiman gave them the rights and they're using her really well aside from the costume

    I mean, what does using her instead of an original character accomplish?

    That she is already, in some form, established?

    Her prior establishment is all garbage!

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    Why does Amanda Connor get all the praise for her Power Girl then when she is one of the most sexed up character designs I've seen?

    Genuinely curious, that one has always seemed a double standard to me

    Attitude and anatomy, basically. Good cheesecake art has a fun, winking attitude and well-portrayed anatomy, while bad cheesecake art gives off a voyeuristic, leering attitude and often breaks anatomy in order to make the picture as "sexy" as possible. It's like the difference between a burlesque show and staring at women walking down the street.

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    That's like saying if Wonder Woman just wears a bra and panties it's fine because she's still Wonder Woman

    For a large part of her life in comics that's an accurate summation of her costume and her impact on the female fan base.
    Yeah I forgot all of those years where Wonder Woman wore literal underwear

    oh wait that never happened

    Wonder_Woman_DCAU_001.jpg
    is not a great costume but it is better than Angela's


    like, Wonder Woman has the same exact problem as Angela does which is why people love it when she wears stuff like this:
    WonderWoman.jpg
    Because that is what she should always be wearing

    You do know that the main difference between the two outfits pictured is that she changed tops right?

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I still think it was kind of a bad dumb choice to bring Angela over in the first place.

    Like, yeah, sure her character has turned out to be pretty okay.

    But there is really nothing implicit to that characterization that requires them to use this really awful design laden with really awful baggage though. They could have come up with almost literally anyone to play the role she is playing, and it would have the bonus of not reminding me that Spawn existed.

    they might as well use her since gaiman gave them the rights and they're using her really well aside from the costume

    I mean, what does using her instead of an original character accomplish?

    That she is already, in some form, established?

    Her prior establishment is all garbage!
    She is, for all intents and purposes, an original character

    Marvel has nothing to lose by using her and maybe brought in some fans from Spawn

    it was a win-win using her

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Hermano wrote: »
    Seriously though when is America Chavez getting a solo series

    Until that day I'd settle for guest appearances in Ms Marvel

    I think she and Kamala would have an excellent odd couple vibe

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I still think it was kind of a bad dumb choice to bring Angela over in the first place.

    Like, yeah, sure her character has turned out to be pretty okay.

    But there is really nothing implicit to that characterization that requires them to use this really awful design laden with really awful baggage though. They could have come up with almost literally anyone to play the role she is playing, and it would have the bonus of not reminding me that Spawn existed.

    they might as well use her since gaiman gave them the rights and they're using her really well aside from the costume

    I mean, what does using her instead of an original character accomplish?

    That she is already, in some form, established?

    Her prior establishment is all garbage!

    I mean, I picked up her appearances in gotg and am now reading tenth realm because I was curious about how they would use her

    I probably wouldn't have done that for a new character, and I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    That's like saying if Wonder Woman just wears a bra and panties it's fine because she's still Wonder Woman

    For a large part of her life in comics that's an accurate summation of her costume and her impact on the female fan base.
    Yeah I forgot all of those years where Wonder Woman wore literal underwear

    oh wait that never happened

    Wonder_Woman_DCAU_001.jpg
    is not a great costume but it is better than Angela's


    like, Wonder Woman has the same exact problem as Angela does which is why people love it when she wears stuff like this:
    WonderWoman.jpg
    Because that is what she should always be wearing

    You do know that the main difference between the two outfits pictured is that she changed tops right?
    Which is a pretty significant difference when one of the tops is a bustier?

    Plus, she has a gladiator-style arm armor thing with a spaulder, armored boots, a greek armored skirt thing and is wielding actual weaponry

    but no you're right she just changed tops

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I still think it was kind of a bad dumb choice to bring Angela over in the first place.

    Like, yeah, sure her character has turned out to be pretty okay.

    But there is really nothing implicit to that characterization that requires them to use this really awful design laden with really awful baggage though. They could have come up with almost literally anyone to play the role she is playing, and it would have the bonus of not reminding me that Spawn existed.

    they might as well use her since gaiman gave them the rights and they're using her really well aside from the costume

    I mean, what does using her instead of an original character accomplish?

    That she is already, in some form, established?

    Her prior establishment is all garbage!

    I mean, I picked up her appearances in gotg and am now reading tenth realm because I was curious about how they would use her

    I probably wouldn't have done that for a new character, and I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that

    I mean, anecdotally speaking, I went totally the opposite way.

    Her stuff in GotG wasn't bad, and she had a few good lines, but the entire time I was thinking "Man this sure is dumb I hope they get back to not this sometime soon."

  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Hermano wrote: »
    Seriously though when is America Chavez getting a solo series

    Until that day I'd settle for guest appearances in Ms Marvel

    I think she and Kamala would have an excellent odd couple vibe

    yes yes give me this book

    also give me a carol danvers and izzy kane buddy cop book

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Agents of SHIELD spoilers:
    Brett Dalton showed up to the Panel wearing a HYDRA t-shirt.

    I like that guy.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    But yeah, those two Wonder Woman costumes are definitely similar

    but one is sexy for the sake of being sexy

    the other fits the character, is well-designed and is still sexy but not in an unnecessary way

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Elizabeth Henstridge on playing Simmons: "Playing Simmons makes me feel quite a bit smarter...I almost said cleverer, but that would have ruined my point."

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Really if you want to get into the difference, one shows Diana with a wasp waist and a bustier and all that

    The other shows Diana in armour with a hoplite skirt and so on

    Now, you could say "well hey man both have her with bare legs, whats all that about" and yeah that's fair

    However the Chiang piece uses those bare legs to evoke the idea of a ancient hoplite. Is the fact that people in the ancient world used to wearing revealing clothes an acceptable reason to put it in a comic? Not inherently, but there is a cultural image of the hoplite in a skirt like that, equipped with a shield like that, and even a sword (and spear), it's a look which is very much designed to bring out that classic Grecian soldier style, which is a very good look for Diana.

    The bare skin is not there to titillate it's there to complete the design of Diana as a warrior originating from a Grecian myth aesthetic. She's undeniably an attractive woman but her attractiveness isn't important to her design in Chiang's work. Bruce Timm, who is a quality artist, has deliberately portrayed Diana there as attractive, her costume and the amount is covered has a sexual intention.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    there's no way to stream specific panels from SDCC, is there? The marvel live thing is showing some Spider-Verse panel

    and earlier it was just looping videos

  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    No, Marvel doesnt stream anything which sucks.

    BJ Britt is about to be promoted, I think, based on what I'm reading about the TV panel

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Lucy Lawless is playing Isabella Hartley, a SHIELD veteran

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    Lucy Lawless plays "Isabell Heartley".

    Googling that gives me a mermaid in the movie H2O.

    So, cross-over.

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    The liveblog is saying Lucy Lawless is Isabel Hartley

    Nick Blood as Lance Hunter

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Nick Blood is playing an unnamed mercenary

    Taskmaster????

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    Reed.. Diamond!

    holy

    yeess

    He was great on Dollhouse

    Tamin on
  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    apparently already people are suspecting that Lawless may be playing Hand's girlfriend.

    Which would actually be really cool because that is a character I that I bet is going through some serious things right now.

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    edited July 2014
    Lance Hunter was the director of STRIKE, Britain's equivalent to SHIELD, I believe

    UnbrokenEva on
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