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So I'm designing a class on the internet for beginners.

waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Games and Technology
What basic topics would you guys suggest? Here are what I have done so far (mostly by request of my superiors). These are really just to help people who are not tech savvy do basic things:

• Activity 1: Using the address bar and searching the web.
• Activity 2: Advanced searching using Google.
• Activity 3: Getting the weather forecast.
• Activity 4: Using online phonebooks.
• Activity 5: Using Mapquest and printing.
• Activity 6: Adding and modifying favorite webpages.
• Activity 7: Using a shopping cart and online buying.

Do you guys have any suggestions for added activities? They need to be fairly useful, common and easily taught. Imagine teaching these classes to the guy at work who says the printer is broken every time it says "PC LOAD LETTER" or the middle aged mom who has 12:00 flashing on every single electronic in her house. It has to be that easy.

Thanks!

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    TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    Activity 1: Porn
    Activity 2: E-Mail
    Activity 3: ???
    Activity 4: Profit!

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    El VientoEl Viento Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Don't forget to add in some moetry! That'll scar them for life!

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    BoilerbirdBoilerbird Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Activity 1: somethingawful.com forums, FYAD
    Activity 2: Google "furries"
    (Note: Do neither of these things at work.)

    Flamewars and deviant behavior... that about covers it.

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Also, teach them about Last Measure.

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    143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm not doing someone else's homework on the forums, and I'm damn well not doing someone else's making someone else's homework on the forums.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You guys are awesome.

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    IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You guys are awesome.

    Heh. Not sure what you expected.

    What is this training for? What are its objectives? (And who are these "superiors?") It's hard to suggest topics, activities, objectives, etc. not knowing the context for the training.

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    PataPata Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited April 2007
    • Activity 3: Getting the weather forecast.
    • Activity 4: Using online phonebooks.
    • Activity 5: Using Mapquest and printing.

    I file this under "things I've never ever used the internet for".

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You guys are awesome.

    Do my homework.


    What's that? You won't do it? I'm insulted.

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    bombardierbombardier Moderator mod
    edited April 2007
    Don't get them used to Mapquest. Teach them local.live.com or Google Maps.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I work for a nonprofit. We make classes designed to help lower income members of the community. They asked me to help put together something to teach the students how to do some basic things on the internet that most of us take for granted. I wasn't asking anybody to do homework for me I was wondering if anybody had any random suggestions like "you might want to include such and such site my mom uses it all the time", etc...

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    Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    bombardier wrote: »
    Don't get them used to Mapquest. Teach them local.live.com or Google Maps.

    or maps.yahoo.com, I might add.

    Also, teach them Flickr and such, the whole idea of sharing photos online

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mapquest was one of the activities specifically handed down to me. As for Flickr, that is a great idea, thanks for your input. That one is covered in our digital photo class though so it isn't within the scope of this class. I should have mentioned that.

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    IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I work for a nonprofit. We make classes designed to help lower income members of the community. They asked me to help put together something to teach the students how to do some basic things on the internet that most of us take for granted. I wasn't asking anybody to do homework for me I was wondering if anybody had any random suggestions like "you might want to include such and such site my mom uses it all the time", etc...

    The best training starts with a fundamental understanding of what you want the trainees to be able to do.

    So, put yourself in their shoes. As a lower income member of the community, what do you need to do when you go to the library or the local workforce development office to use the internet? Some possibilities:

    1) Learn about and request city/county/municipal services (for example, in my city you can request bulk trash pick up or graffiti removal online)
    2) Check job boards
    3) Complete a resume.
    4) Register for an use a free e-mail account
    5) Avoid obvious SPAM and don't get scammed by e-mail

    If you want the training to be compelling and to stick, it needs to be relevant to what they want to actually do with the internet. If they don't care about the weather, for example, or get their forecast from the paper, radio, or TV, checking the weather online will not have much training impact.

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Perhaps you should take into consideration who it is this class is being taught to. Is online shopping something they want to do? What about using an online phonebook? Is that something they will do often or even at all?

    EDIT: Beaten by a much more thorough post.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Iolo wrote: »
    I work for a nonprofit. We make classes designed to help lower income members of the community. They asked me to help put together something to teach the students how to do some basic things on the internet that most of us take for granted. I wasn't asking anybody to do homework for me I was wondering if anybody had any random suggestions like "you might want to include such and such site my mom uses it all the time", etc...

    The best training starts with a fundamental understanding of what you want the trainees to be able to do.

    So, put yourself in their shoes. As a lower income member of the community, what do you need to do when you go to the library or the local workforce development office to use the internet? Some possibilities:

    1) Learn about and request city/county/municipal services (for example, in my city you can request bulk trash pick up or graffiti removal online)
    2) Check job boards
    3) Complete a resume.
    4) Register for an use a free e-mail account
    5) Avoid obvious SPAM and don't get scammed by e-mail

    If you want the training to be compelling and to stick, it needs to be relevant to what they want to actually do with the internet. If they don't care about the weather, for example, or get their forecast from the paper, radio, or TV, checking the weather online will not have much training impact.

    Thank you for your well thought out response. Those issues are important and we do address them, however they are again not within the scope of this course. I'm obviously not being specific enough. Things like job boards, resumes and interaction with local government are our primary goal here. However, this class is simply a class taught to mostly middle aged people who don't know how to use the internet and wish to learn how to use simple resources. As far as the Email and spam things go we set them up with that as soon as they register as a student. As far as spam goes... Well we try to teach them but it is a fairly fruitless endeavor.
    Perhaps you should take into consideration who it is this class is being taught to. Is online shopping something they want to do? What about using an online phonebook? Is that something they will do often or even at all?

    EDIT: Beaten by a much more thorough post.

    The phonebook part was taken from overwhelming requests for it. I don't know why they want to use an online phonebook so bad but I'll teach it to them if they really want to know it. Online shopping has been very important to the students as of late as well. I think the affect of iTunes is to blame.

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    There's porn of EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. YES, EVEN THAT.

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    IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    If this population is as green as you say, leave some time for mouse and keyboard familiarity up front.

    Also, one of the chief hurdles for this group is fear. So if you can, hold off on e-mail at first. Start with Google searches and the motto, "You can't break the Internet!" Say it a lot. You may get a few smiles and hopefully will encourage them not to worry too much about getting everything perfect. Then add e-mail later (since you do have to gently warn them about the ways they can trigger viruses.) Also, you may not have the flexibility to do this, but I would recommend having them register for their own free e-mail account. Teach a man to fish, and whatnot.

    Godspeed. Sounds like you have your work cut out for you. Let us know how it goes.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Something about price-bot's like froogle? and sites that review retailers?

    probably included in the online buying section, but I know that alot of people often ask me for advice on them things. Also, downloading files, and the concept behind file tree's and such, depending on how basic you want to go. Other than that, seems like a good list to me.

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    JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    For fucks sake, if you're serious about this then you'd be a fool not to teach them about firewalls and internet protection.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Iolo wrote: »
    If this population is as green as you say, leave some time for mouse and keyboard familiarity up front.

    Also, one of the chief hurdles for this group is fear. So if you can, hold off on e-mail at first. Start with Google searches and the motto, "You can't break the Internet!" Say it a lot. You may get a few smiles and hopefully will encourage them not to worry too much about getting everything perfect. Then add e-mail later (since you do have to gently warn them about the ways they can trigger viruses.) Also, you may not have the flexibility to do this, but I would recommend having them register for their own free e-mail account. Teach a man to fish, and whatnot.

    Godspeed. Sounds like you have your work cut out for you. Let us know how it goes.

    I make these students go through a Word class first, so they will know how to use a mouse and keyboard and be able to type reasonably well. The E-Mail is given to them along with a lecture regarding spam and viruses that does no good whatsoever in my opinion. The school is stuck on hotmail right now, which makes me sad. I want them to switch over to gmail but nobody here uses it yet... As far as them being afraid, that isn't a problem. In fact I WISH that were a problem. Rather, they are completely happy to do whatever without any idea of the consequences and I'm left to repair whatever damage they can do to our computers.

    It is a crappy job sometimes but in general we are able to do some really great things. Once in a while I just have to teach a fluff class that annoys me more than anything. I prefer teaching the job skills courses or the English courses because I feel like they do a lot more good.

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    Liquid HellzLiquid Hellz Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Wikipedia.org is defiantly a helpful site for quick information and facts.. I don't know how much they would use it but they should at least know about it.

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    DuskTwilightDuskTwilight Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I seriously, SERIOUSLY suggest Activity 1 should be: Is the computer turned on? If not, is it plugged in?

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    SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Yeah, activity 1 should be basic computer skills, and activity 2 should be what a web browser is.

    There are far FAR too many people who think that the big blue e is the internet, and why don't I have the internet on my computer?

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    WezoinWezoin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    8. Write a book teaching people how to do stuff people will never need to use the internet for

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    If nobody uses them then tell me why they exist and are so popular? You need to not think as a computer elitist and dumb down to the level of the general masses.

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    mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    bombardier wrote: »
    Don't get them used to Mapquest. Teach them local.live.com or Google Maps.

    If you get them to do google maps, you can throw out the phone book one too. Time saver!
    If nobody uses them then tell me why they exist and are so popular? You need to not think as a computer elitist and dumb down to the level of the general masses.

    The general masses use the internet to accomplish tasks, so I think you're on the right track with teaching them to find a weather forecast, find a phone number, or find a map.

    Most people, however, will want to use the web to accomplish specific tasks that you can't anticipate. i.e. finding a college for their kids, researching new cars, etc ... So when you teach them how to search, use real world examples of these specific tasks so that they understand. As them if any of them is considering a major purchase, then show them how to research, find specs, find customer reviews, etc ...

    And if they don't know a technical term, make them go to dictionary.com.

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    PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Activity 1: How to get a forum to do your work for you via a poll thread.
    Activity 2: Ladder theory.

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    HKPacman420HKPacman420 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Teach them how to install and use Firefox or Opera :/

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    PikaPuff wrote: »
    Activity 1: How to get a forum to do your work for you via a poll thread.
    Activity 2: Ladder theory.

    Oh, hey, mods usually lock threads like this, don't they? Oh, shit, a mod posted on the first page, and the topic is still open. Swell.

    Try to explain to them the purpose of firewalls and explain to them what spyware is. It's like, the STD of the internet. It'll help them understand where to surf and where not to surf.

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    SaddlerSaddler Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Teach them how to send attachments in email. This is important for sending pictures to friends and relatives.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    PikaPuff wrote: »
    Activity 1: How to get a forum to do your work for you via a poll thread.
    Activity 2: Ladder theory.

    I didn't ask anybody to do the work. I asked for people to share ideas, which is what I assume message boards are for. I didn't ask you to create a lesson plan, flesh out the actual assignment and then grade and teach it. I asked for very simple, single sentence, IDEAS. And if you had no ideas to share, or didn't like the very idea of sharing ideas, nobody forced you to open the thread.
    Teach them how to install and use Firefox or Opera :/

    If you had any idea how much time I have spent trying to get the school to switch over to firefox... uggg

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    mrcheesypantsmrcheesypants Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Might want to show them how to get open source software if these are people with low income.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Might want to show them how to get open source software if these are people with low income.

    Oh hey good idea... The only trouble is teaching them what is what and how to install any of it.

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
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    Might want to show them how to get open source software if these are people with low income.

    Oh hey good idea... The only trouble is teaching them what is what and how to install any of it.

    OpenOffice is a good one, isn't it? I think you should, if you want to be thorough, go over open source stuff, shareware, and all the other stuff. Your ass is going to need an outline.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I've never used any open source software for this sort of thing. Basically all I would want to use would be replacements for Word, Excel and not much else.

    We actually have some sort of licensing system that allows us to give out a certain number of copies to our students as long as they are still students. I'm sure that nobody deletes what we give them after they leave.

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    DuskTwilightDuskTwilight Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You also need to have a lesson on why that awesome free offer that just popped up on your screen isn't that awesome, or free.

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    waywardryanwaywardryan Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You know those popups that say "You have email" or "your computer is infected with 1000 viruses", those are the bane of my life.

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