Or you may get your wish and she won't run at all. Who knows!
As much as I'm leery about Hillary I don't even think this is what I want. It really raises the question of "Well then who?" There are not a whole lot of inspiring choices there.
That's a major problem for the party, in general. Even if she does decide to run, it's worrisome that the Democratic Party is one medical emergency/vehicular accident from not having a viable candidate to run for president.
If the last GOP presidential primaries proved anything, people will step up, and they will find support. Will they be a carnival side show of hucksters, flim flammers, glory hounds, and zealots? Yes, but they will show up nonetheless.
Let's see what a fairly prominent black media member had to say about Hillary Clinton's comments on Ferguson. Hm, he seems to have approved and makes a good point about Obama in the process. Also on Twitter he notes a corollary which is that a President Clinton might have to speak less about gender than President Obama has been able to.
A point which, say, TNC, agrees with.
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I do think that a President Hillary would be a decent champion for existing policies that we like. She'd probably be good for the ACA. Maybe she'd even push for a couple of improvements here and there to streamline its operation, which honestly would be kind of nice.
But I feel Hillary basically suffers PTSD from back when she tried to push through HilaryCare as First Lady, and I'm skeptical that she would push for anything if it became difficult. Her MO seems to be to wait until people are specifically demanding something, then giving them the most calculated and least risky version of that. Though she ran for president in 2008 on reforming health care, I'm skeptical she actually would've pushed for it once it became politically difficult. We would've gotten something akin to Bush's Medicare reforms and then convinced ourselves that was the most that could've been expected.
It's unfortunate that the two most obvious candidates for president are old and holy-shit-old, respectively. Both Clinton and Biden are pushing up against where McCain was when he ran - remember the guy who everyone was saying is really fucking old?
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I really, really don't want Hillary. Her censorship crap bugs me. Her running right bugs me. Her inept attempts to be calculating bug me. I'll vote for damn near anyone else in the primary.
But I'll vote for her in the general, because she won't nominate crazy people to the SCOTUS if an opening arises. That's enough, for now.
edit: I'd kill for a Biden or Warren presidency, but he's probably getting too old and she doesn't want to run.
I do think that a President Hillary would be a decent champion for existing policies that we like. She'd probably be good for the ACA. Maybe she'd even push for a couple of improvements here and there to streamline its operation, which honestly would be kind of nice.
But I feel Hillary basically suffers PTSD from back when she tried to push through HilaryCare as First Lady, and I'm skeptical that she would push for anything if it became difficult. Her MO seems to be to wait until people are specifically demanding something, then giving them the most calculated and least risky version of that. Though she ran for president in 2008 on reforming health care, I'm skeptical she actually would've pushed for it once it became politically difficult. We would've gotten something akin to Bush's Medicare reforms and then convinced ourselves that was the most that could've been expected.
It's unfortunate that the two most obvious candidates for president are old and holy-shit-old, respectively. Both Clinton and Biden are pushing up against where McCain was when he ran - remember the guy who everyone was saying is really fucking old?
No one else really seems willing to step up though. Biden's not really viable even as VP. HRC isn't exactly inspiring but ::shrug:: Warren isn't ready. Who else is there?
Part of me hopes, that Hilary is just posturing to make it look like she'll run, just to sucker the GOP into wasting a bunch of resources. I'm hoping we have more in the democratic field than Hillary, Cuomo and Webb for the 2016 primary election.
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I think Hilary absolutely would have fought for medical insurance reform, if only to shove it in Newt Gingrich's fucking asshole face. I mean, spite isn't particularly attractive, but it can make you keep going when everything else is shot to hells. I think her experience as Sec State is going to guide her a lot more than her experience as Senator. I don't think she's running right as much as she is about as liberal as Obama, which is to say somewhat, but not as much as a lot of us.
I dunno, I don't see Hilary posturing and trying to center herself as much as she is just completely hedging. Is she using the exact same strategy the Republicans are for impeachment, vis a vis "We aren't actually going to do it, but we are going to mention it a bunch and oh golly gee maybe we'll see what happens"? Yeah, but I think she's actually doing it competently, and seriously, we haven't had the fucking midterms yet, so maybe she doesn't want to start until she has to, because campaigning fucking sucks.
I'd love for Warren to run just to get some progressive ideas on the stage
While I agree, I'd like her and maybe twenty (or 59) more of her to be Senators and get some progressive ideas in Congress.
Yeah. A progressive president right now isn't going to be very effective without a progressive congress.
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I'd love for Warren to run just to get some progressive ideas on the stage
While I agree, I'd like her and maybe twenty (or 59) more of her to be Senators and get some progressive ideas in Congress.
Also I'm pretty sure Sanders has already been talked about as the Dem's 2016 "spoiler" candidate for the primaries; not that airing the grievances of the "hard" left in a presidential primary really does shit anyways come the general election. To use the right as an example: remember when Romney contorted himself into a corporate-exec-cum-teaper only to unwind and "etch-a-sketch" himself back to the agreeable robot he always was during the first debate of the 2012 general election?
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I'd love for Warren to run just to get some progressive ideas on the stage
While I agree, I'd like her and maybe twenty (or 59) more of her to be Senators and get some progressive ideas in Congress.
Yeah. A progressive president right now isn't going to be very effective without a progressive congress.
That's the other side of why I don't give a shit about Hilary's supposed walk to the right. The problem right now is with congress completely abdicating any sort of responsibility.
I'd love for Warren to run just to get some progressive ideas on the stage
While I agree, I'd like her and maybe twenty (or 59) more of her to be Senators and get some progressive ideas in Congress.
Yeah. A progressive president right now isn't going to be very effective without a progressive congress.
That's the other side of why I don't give a shit about Hilary's supposed walk to the right. The problem right now is with congress completely abdicating any sort of responsibility.
Walking to the right implies she was on the left to begin with.
edit: Her being rightward isn't going to tilt congress left.
Eh, Hillary would at least be far to the left of any plausible GOP candidate. Fencingsax has a point, though, in that any substantial differences in Hillary's vs <MagicNewObama>'s policy goals might not translate into any practical difference in outcome.
I mean, if Hillary wins, I'm not going to be outraged. Just not enthused.
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This is a thread to talk about Fucking 2016, because goddamn your eyes it has been requested. The fact this thread even exists makes me hate you all and weep for humanity.
The stipulation for this thread continuing to exist is that it A) remains on the topic of actual elections and primaries that will occur in 2016, 2) does not turn into a lolpublicans thread, pi) does not become otherwise rife with snark, stupidity, or people being dickholes.
So go talk about Hillary or Romney or Perry or whoever the fuck, I'll be over in the corner muttering to myself and mourning the loss of all that is good and right.
admit it Jeffe, you wanted this thread as much as the rest of us.
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Part of me hopes, that Hilary is just posturing to make it look like she'll run, just to sucker the GOP into wasting a bunch of resources.
This reminds me of the biggest downside to Hillary running: The Right is going to be enormous fucking goose-bags.
No, this isn't really a reason for her to not run or want her to not run and the Right will be some level of goose-bags regardless of who runs but... we are talking goose bags that will be visible from the fucking moon. I will probably have to destroy all electronic devices in August of 2016 if I want to maintain my sanity and not have a simultaneous brain aneurysm / heart attack.
Part of me hopes, that Hilary is just posturing to make it look like she'll run, just to sucker the GOP into wasting a bunch of resources.
This reminds me of the biggest downside to Hillary running: The Right is going to be enormous fucking goose-bags.
No, this isn't really a reason for her to not run or want her to not run and the Right will be some level of goose-bags regardless of who runs but... we are talking goose bags that will be visible from the fucking moon. I will probably have to destroy all electronic devices in August of 2016 if I want to maintain my sanity and not have a simultaneous brain aneurysm / heart attack.
How is the bolded any different than now again?
Let the right get their hate on for a female running for president. That'll go over well with everyone who wasn't already going to vote R regardless of the candidate presented...
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
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Eh, the right's bullshittery will enthuse the Dems for the elections as well, I think. They don't have anything real to throw at her, and certainly nothing new. And she's pretty popular, considering her last job was done pretty damn well. Also, it will be hilarious to see the Hilary44 people suddenly have to explain why they don't actually want Hilary president, they just didn't want Obama.
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
We literally made this argument during the 2008 primaries. It... didn't pan out.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
Dayton, then I dont know. I dont follow politics in other states much.
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
We literally made this argument during the 2008 primaries. It... didn't pan out.
It took them a while to really grow to loathe Obama. I think they never thought he could win during the election.
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Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
Dayton, then I dont know. I dont follow politics in other states much.
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
We literally made this argument during the 2008 primaries. It... didn't pan out.
It took them a while to really grow to loathe Obama. I think they never thought he could win during the election.
They think Democrats cannot legitimately govern the country. They'll react this way to any Democrat. Hell, we could elect Joe Manchin President and they'd call him a socialist.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
We literally made this argument during the 2008 primaries. It... didn't pan out.
It took them a while to really grow to loathe Obama. I think they never thought he could win during the election.
I also think they were just not sure how to respond to him. The initial stuff about birth locations and secret muslims was pretty freaking crazy. I guess when you're mentally repeating "Don't mention race, Don't mention race, Don't mention race" to yourself it can be hard to think of something else.
Why they practically orgasmed over the "cling to guns" comment.
So this seems like an increasingly unpopular opinion but... I think Obama has done a pretty damn good job as president. Not perfect, sure. He made some errors, especially in his first term, and he disappointed anyone who thought he could magically transform American politics. But overall he's been quite solid- the economy is growing, the ACA is working, his supreme court picks are good, and his use of military force/diplomacy is quite judicious. I'd be perfectly happy with another president like him.
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
Jay Nixon was angling for a run, then he wimped out on Ferguson and lost the black support he'd need to beat Clinton in the primary.
Terry McAuliffe will only have been governor for a year and a half when the primaries actually kick off, and he'd be pretty hard pressed to run when his machine was already backing Clinton.
Mike Bebee will be term limited out in 2015. He's from Arkansas, which would make the DLC crowd happy if there weren't a Clinton on the ticket already. He's also pretty old (67).
Brown (California), Malloy (Connecticut) and Hickenlooper (Colorado) are all possibilities, though all three have pushed for gun control legislation recently which is going to make some people nervous, but most of those people are already on the Hillary bandwagon anyway.
Steve Beshear looks like the crypt keeper, but he is term limited out in 2015, so he might take a shot.
Deval Patrick is retiring in 2015, so he might think about running.
Steve Bullock out of Montana is young and relatively popular in a rural and otherwise Red state. He kind of looks like a doof, but he's a smiley straight-married white guy, and that might be worth some nostalgia votes in the primary.
Andrew Cuomo is Andrew Cuomo. 'Nuf said.
John Kitzhaber is a badass three-term governor with good environmental cred and a penchant for just saving the lives of random people he meets. Plus he looks kind of like Kris Kristopherson. He's pretty old, though (67).
That's the field of Democratic governors I'd be keeping an eye on.
Also, since I'm forced to listen to radio talk shows during the day *thurrmp* (That's the sound of the hangman's noose going over the ceiling rafters), when/if Hillary Starts to run, you're going to hear nothing but Benghazi from the right. All day. Every day. They never shut up about it now, so I can only imagine when she actually runs and they lose their fucking minds over it.
Say what you want about Bill running to the right with triangulation. The Right is TERRIFIED of another Clinton Presidency. That, in itself, is enough reason to give the concept serious consideration.
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O'Malley got in a kerfuffle about something recently, but I can't remember what it was.
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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It might have been inconsequential bullshit, too. I just remember there was something maybe a few months ago.
I'm not sure how I forgot O'Malley. He's not a bad candidate, and in an open field he'd be pretty well positioned.
Politically, he's good on gay marriage and really good on immigration (of course, he's in Delaware, so it's not super hot button up there).
He stumped for Clinton in 2008. I wouldn't be surprised if he positions himself for veep through his primary run. He's fairly young, he'd be just over 60 in 2024, so two terms under Clinton would be a good move for him.
Eh, the right's bullshittery will enthuse the Dems for the elections as well, I think. They don't have anything real to throw at her, and certainly nothing new. And she's pretty popular, considering her last job was done pretty damn well. Also, it will be hilarious to see the Hilary44 people suddenly have to explain why they don't actually want Hilary president, they just didn't want Obama.
Enthusiasm will only go so far when Democrats vote against the incumbent and not for their candidate, re: John Kerry.
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
We literally made this argument during the 2008 primaries. It... didn't pan out.
It took them a while to really grow to loathe Obama. I think they never thought he could win during the election.
They think Democrats cannot legitimately govern the country. They'll react this way to any Democrat. Hell, we could elect Joe Manchin President and they'd call him a socialist.
Hillary isn't any Democrat, the GOP have wanted to take a shot at her for decades and have prepared for that day - that's another reason why they hated Obama. They had to work from scratch and are still throwing random attacks hoping something will stick, he's also been great at damage control and making long term moves that let him win more than lose. That isn't a problem for them with Hillary.
Say what you want about Bill running to the right with triangulation. The Right is TERRIFIED of another Clinton Presidency. That, in itself, is enough reason to give the concept serious consideration.
That's not a good reason for Hillary to get in the White House. If you really want to terrify the GOP have a liberal like Bernie Sanders win the primary. They hate liberals more than centrists.
Say what you want about Bill running to the right with triangulation. The Right is TERRIFIED of another Clinton Presidency. That, in itself, is enough reason to give the concept serious consideration.
That's not a good reason for Hillary to get in the White House. If you really want to terrify the GOP have a liberal like Bernie Sanders win the primary. They hate liberals more than centrists.
I would love Bernie to end up in the White House. I don't know how being a card carrying socialist will work in the general election, however. Americans are too stupid to see much past the shit throwing the hard right has been doing against that term.
President Sanders is pretty much my dream, however.
Say what you want about Bill running to the right with triangulation. The Right is TERRIFIED of another Clinton Presidency. That, in itself, is enough reason to give the concept serious consideration.
That's not a good reason for Hillary to get in the White House. If you really want to terrify the GOP have a liberal like Bernie Sanders win the primary. They hate liberals more than centrists.
I would love Bernie to end up in the White House. I don't know how being a card carrying socialist will work in the general election, however. Americans are too stupid to see much past the shit throwing the hard right has been doing against that term.
President Sanders is pretty much my dream, however.
I know he is too old and it will never happen. But President Barney Frank is my dream.
Sanders is someone I want to run to push the candidate to the left and get a bunch of delegates to push the platform to the left, but he's a really, really good Senator.
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If the last GOP presidential primaries proved anything, people will step up, and they will find support. Will they be a carnival side show of hucksters, flim flammers, glory hounds, and zealots? Yes, but they will show up nonetheless.
A point which, say, TNC, agrees with.
But I feel Hillary basically suffers PTSD from back when she tried to push through HilaryCare as First Lady, and I'm skeptical that she would push for anything if it became difficult. Her MO seems to be to wait until people are specifically demanding something, then giving them the most calculated and least risky version of that. Though she ran for president in 2008 on reforming health care, I'm skeptical she actually would've pushed for it once it became politically difficult. We would've gotten something akin to Bush's Medicare reforms and then convinced ourselves that was the most that could've been expected.
It's unfortunate that the two most obvious candidates for president are old and holy-shit-old, respectively. Both Clinton and Biden are pushing up against where McCain was when he ran - remember the guy who everyone was saying is really fucking old?
But I'll vote for her in the general, because she won't nominate crazy people to the SCOTUS if an opening arises. That's enough, for now.
edit: I'd kill for a Biden or Warren presidency, but he's probably getting too old and she doesn't want to run.
No one else really seems willing to step up though. Biden's not really viable even as VP. HRC isn't exactly inspiring but ::shrug:: Warren isn't ready. Who else is there?
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I dunno, I don't see Hilary posturing and trying to center herself as much as she is just completely hedging. Is she using the exact same strategy the Republicans are for impeachment, vis a vis "We aren't actually going to do it, but we are going to mention it a bunch and oh golly gee maybe we'll see what happens"? Yeah, but I think she's actually doing it competently, and seriously, we haven't had the fucking midterms yet, so maybe she doesn't want to start until she has to, because campaigning fucking sucks.
While I agree, I'd like her and maybe twenty (or 59) more of her to be Senators and get some progressive ideas in Congress.
Otherwise, I'd vote for him.
Yeah. A progressive president right now isn't going to be very effective without a progressive congress.
Also I'm pretty sure Sanders has already been talked about as the Dem's 2016 "spoiler" candidate for the primaries; not that airing the grievances of the "hard" left in a presidential primary really does shit anyways come the general election. To use the right as an example: remember when Romney contorted himself into a corporate-exec-cum-teaper only to unwind and "etch-a-sketch" himself back to the agreeable robot he always was during the first debate of the 2012 general election?
That's the other side of why I don't give a shit about Hilary's supposed walk to the right. The problem right now is with congress completely abdicating any sort of responsibility.
Walking to the right implies she was on the left to begin with.
edit: Her being rightward isn't going to tilt congress left.
I mean, if Hillary wins, I'm not going to be outraged. Just not enthused.
I frankly think Clinton was a shit president. Obama hasn't gotten much done Clinton did some actively horrible shit(Glass Stegall for one)
Hilary has the same kind of bullshit political triangulation thing Bill had so I think she's fold to the GOP on big issues just like he did.
admit it Jeffe, you wanted this thread as much as the rest of us.
This is a -waaaaay- different GOP than the 90's
Folding to this GOP means like, defaulting on our debt.
This reminds me of the biggest downside to Hillary running: The Right is going to be enormous fucking goose-bags.
No, this isn't really a reason for her to not run or want her to not run and the Right will be some level of goose-bags regardless of who runs but... we are talking goose bags that will be visible from the fucking moon. I will probably have to destroy all electronic devices in August of 2016 if I want to maintain my sanity and not have a simultaneous brain aneurysm / heart attack.
How is the bolded any different than now again?
Let the right get their hate on for a female running for president. That'll go over well with everyone who wasn't already going to vote R regardless of the candidate presented...
(edited to clarify last sentence)
Hilary is about the only Dem that the GOP has a similar level of hatred fr as they do Obama. Against a less known candidate they'll be awful and hateful but less focused.
Especially since Hilary is directly tied to the Obama admin they can frame it as running against his third term.
This is a time where a lesser known non federal candidate might be better. What's the Dems Governor bench look like these days?
We literally made this argument during the 2008 primaries. It... didn't pan out.
Dayton, then I dont know. I dont follow politics in other states much.
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It took them a while to really grow to loathe Obama. I think they never thought he could win during the election.
Ooh. Terry McAuliffe. That would be better.
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They think Democrats cannot legitimately govern the country. They'll react this way to any Democrat. Hell, we could elect Joe Manchin President and they'd call him a socialist.
I also think they were just not sure how to respond to him. The initial stuff about birth locations and secret muslims was pretty freaking crazy. I guess when you're mentally repeating "Don't mention race, Don't mention race, Don't mention race" to yourself it can be hard to think of something else.
Why they practically orgasmed over the "cling to guns" comment.
Terry McAuliffe will only have been governor for a year and a half when the primaries actually kick off, and he'd be pretty hard pressed to run when his machine was already backing Clinton.
Mike Bebee will be term limited out in 2015. He's from Arkansas, which would make the DLC crowd happy if there weren't a Clinton on the ticket already. He's also pretty old (67).
Brown (California), Malloy (Connecticut) and Hickenlooper (Colorado) are all possibilities, though all three have pushed for gun control legislation recently which is going to make some people nervous, but most of those people are already on the Hillary bandwagon anyway.
Steve Beshear looks like the crypt keeper, but he is term limited out in 2015, so he might take a shot.
Deval Patrick is retiring in 2015, so he might think about running.
Steve Bullock out of Montana is young and relatively popular in a rural and otherwise Red state. He kind of looks like a doof, but he's a smiley straight-married white guy, and that might be worth some nostalgia votes in the primary.
Andrew Cuomo is Andrew Cuomo. 'Nuf said.
John Kitzhaber is a badass three-term governor with good environmental cred and a penchant for just saving the lives of random people he meets. Plus he looks kind of like Kris Kristopherson. He's pretty old, though (67).
That's the field of Democratic governors I'd be keeping an eye on.
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Also, since I'm forced to listen to radio talk shows during the day *thurrmp* (That's the sound of the hangman's noose going over the ceiling rafters), when/if Hillary Starts to run, you're going to hear nothing but Benghazi from the right. All day. Every day. They never shut up about it now, so I can only imagine when she actually runs and they lose their fucking minds over it.
Say what you want about Bill running to the right with triangulation. The Right is TERRIFIED of another Clinton Presidency. That, in itself, is enough reason to give the concept serious consideration.
Politically, he's good on gay marriage and really good on immigration (of course, he's in Delaware, so it's not super hot button up there).
He stumped for Clinton in 2008. I wouldn't be surprised if he positions himself for veep through his primary run. He's fairly young, he'd be just over 60 in 2024, so two terms under Clinton would be a good move for him.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Enthusiasm will only go so far when Democrats vote against the incumbent and not for their candidate, re: John Kerry.
Hillary isn't any Democrat, the GOP have wanted to take a shot at her for decades and have prepared for that day - that's another reason why they hated Obama. They had to work from scratch and are still throwing random attacks hoping something will stick, he's also been great at damage control and making long term moves that let him win more than lose. That isn't a problem for them with Hillary.
That's not a good reason for Hillary to get in the White House. If you really want to terrify the GOP have a liberal like Bernie Sanders win the primary. They hate liberals more than centrists.
I would love Bernie to end up in the White House. I don't know how being a card carrying socialist will work in the general election, however. Americans are too stupid to see much past the shit throwing the hard right has been doing against that term.
President Sanders is pretty much my dream, however.
I know he is too old and it will never happen. But President Barney Frank is my dream.