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Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Brain Damage?

pure_eval13pure_eval13 Registered User new member
Hi,

I am wondering if practicing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu can cause any kind of brain damage. I've signed up for it but I notice that during the training you tend to bump and shake your head around quite a bit. There's quite a bit of rolling around and bumping against the ground, plus the occasional elbow/knee to the head.

Can that cause someone to slow down mentally at all? I've googled this and all the results seem to be about "no reasearch indicating that being choked will cause brain injury" but that's not what I want to know. I'm talking more about the actual act of grappling and roughhousing on the ground. Especially if you are in a profession that requires you to be mentally sharp.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    read a few of the abstracts here. eg:
    CONCLUSION: Findings from this study indicate that sports-related concussions result in long-term motor system dysfunctions that seem to be attributable to subclinical intracortical inhibitory system abnormalities. This study also shows that sustaining subsequent concussions exacerbates this deficit, and thus provides additional support for the contention that the adverse effects of sports-related concussions on intracortical inhibitory systems are cumulative.
    Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) has been linked to participation in contact sports such as boxing and American football. CTE results in a progressive decline of memory and cognition, as well as depression, suicidal behavior, poor impulse control, aggressiveness, parkinsonism, and, eventually, dementia. In some individuals, it is associated with motor neuron disease, referred to as chronic traumatic encephalomyelopathy, which appears clinically similar to amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Results of neuropathologic research has shown that CTE may be more common in former contact sports athletes than previously believed. It is believed that repetitive brain trauma, with or possibly without symptomatic concussion, is responsible for neurodegenerative changes highlighted by accumulations of hyperphosphorylated tau and TDP-43 proteins.

    if you're just rumbling around once a week i don't think you need to worry about it much, but there is a risk of concussion in most contact sports, and that can in turn carry long term effects that science is just learning about

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  • EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    As bsjezz noted, there's always some risk.

    But it takes more than a bit of a jostle to damage your brain. We wouldn't have survived very long if that's all it took.

    Provided you aren't getting into any real fights, and when doing serious sparring you are wearing sufficient protective gear, then the worst you have to worry about is some accidental hits while learning and practicing.

    Just be careful, and if the teacher/class seems to be ignoring, or even worse, allowing, things that are injuring people, then find a different instructor.

    There should also be mats, pads, and other safety equipment around to facilitate learning without killing yourself as well.

  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited November 2014
    if you don't force people to choke you all the way out, you'll be fine. the tap is your friend.

    Brazilian jiujitsu is actually very concussion light, compared to say striking integrated MMA, or a judo, as it has minimal striking and very little falling.

    It's a physical activity. There's risk. Like mountain climbing or riding a motorcycle or generally going outside. Concussion, TBE in particular? Minimal factors. But there is a bit of risk.

    But you know, like the vikings said, you can hide every day in a hole and when the fates cut your thread, rain will fill the hole

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  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Brazilian Jiujitsu does not seem to be one of the sports where you have a high-risk for brain damage.

    American football and boxing are notorious because there is constant and repeated violence against the head.
    Boxing is a sport where the aim is to deliver repeated blows to the head until one part can't stand up due to repeated concussions. Yes, that's what a KO means. Brazilian Jiujitsu on the other hand relies primarily on submission, which means the focus is more on grappling.
    In american football there is plenty of repeated headbanging as that's the way tackling has evolved with the addition of helmets and shoulderguards. Rugby, while in many ways a much bloodier sport, does not have the same problem and overall features less permanent injuries.

    I'd say you're pretty safe. A lot safer than if you had for example practiced riding.

    Now your ears on the other hand. Cauliflower ears are pretty common among professional grapplers, although not so common among amateurs. Earguards is a good thing though.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    there's risk of head trauma in any contact sport, but at the intro level it shouldn't really be a concern. If you just signed up for a course or something you aren't going to be in a position to be choked out or take a bunch of headshots in the first place (or if you are, run from that gym.)

    a big part of the early training will be protecting yourself from head trauma while sparring/grappling

    ed: I mean, CTE is a major issue, but is an issue that faces people who have made a lifetime/career in a sport or pursuit that involves repetitive head trauma. It isn't really something us weekend warrior types need to be worried about

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    You should be practicing on a padded floor so your risk of injury should be minimal. The few times I've tried out BJJ the risk of injury during practice came of as unlikely. It's not an especially rapid sport for most of the sparring and any time you're in trouble you just tap out.

  • MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    I feel that @Chessboxing909 could give you some great first hand info on BJJ and what to expect as well.

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  • pure_eval13pure_eval13 Registered User new member
    Thanks for the replies. Good to know that it is relatively safe. Is there any risk of becoming just slightly less sharp around the edges or more forgetful over time due to the cumulitive bumps to the head or rolling around?

  • DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    Soccer players can get concussions from repeatedly heading a ball.

    There's always some risk to any physical activity. If you're worried about ANY risk then stay at home. All things considered, there are much more dangerous activities with regard to head trauma.

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  • Chessboxing909Chessboxing909 Registered User regular
    Mulletude wrote: »
    I feel that @Chessboxing909 could give you some great first hand info on BJJ and what to expect as well.

    Hey thanks for the mention. I'm flattered.

    Well, BJJ is a fantastic martial art, and can be very safe but it varies greatly gym to gym. Some of the gyms that claim to be MMA gyms advertise BJJ or have a style that's real rough and you can get banged around a bit while some are much more mellow. Usually the higher the skill level in the gym the safer you'll be. That goes for thai boxing as well, when I had my old coach who had a full contact karate background, we wore headgear and I went home with concussions very consistently, my new coach fights at a very high level and fought in Lumpinee stadium and with his coaching we spar with no headgear and have a very very low injury rate, it's very rare that I go home rattled now.
    Same thing with BJJ, the higher the level the smoother and more controlled it is the less you get bumped around or injured, and when the top guys have that going it spreads to the rest of the group.

    What gym are you looking at, do you have a link to their website? I really wouldn't worry about getting punchy or anything with BJJ man, it has it's set of health risks don't get me wrong but overall it's a very safe art to train. As long as it isn't with idiots.

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  • Chessboxing909Chessboxing909 Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    there's risk of head trauma in any contact sport, but at the intro level it shouldn't really be a concern. If you just signed up for a course or something you aren't going to be in a position to be choked out or take a bunch of headshots in the first place (or if you are, run from that gym.)

    a big part of the early training will be protecting yourself from head trauma while sparring/grappling

    ed: I mean, CTE is a major issue, but is an issue that faces people who have made a lifetime/career in a sport or pursuit that involves repetitive head trauma. It isn't really something us weekend warrior types need to be worried about

    Also, while he's right here about taking headshots, don't freak if they put you in a sparring sort of situation where you might get tapped out the first day. That's a regular practice at my place, usually new guys are invited to roll ((BJJ sparring)) with someone with a bit of experience on their first day, you might get choked a little or armbarred, that sort of thing, but as long with it's with someone experienced it's fine, just tap anytime you're even slightly unsure of things or feel at risk and be friendly.

    Oh and if a striking gym, boxing, thai boxing, whatever, invites you to spar a striking art on day one run.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Oh and if a striking gym, boxing, thai boxing, whatever, invites you to spar a striking art on day one

    wut

  • Chessboxing909Chessboxing909 Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Oh and if a striking gym, boxing, thai boxing, whatever, invites you to spar a striking art on day one

    wut

    Yeah I've seen it a few times just hey here's some gloves, give it a shot. Turrible.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited November 2014

    Oh and if a striking gym, boxing, thai boxing, whatever, invites you to spar a striking art on day one run.

    Ouch! We have had people come for there first time when it is a sparring day, the instructor or a senior will work with them with no contact, getting use to just throwing a punch or a kick or timing or even just some one stepping. Contact doesn't start to happen until later when they get there gloves and headgear and even then its light contact until they feel they want to raise the level.

    As a guy who does do a striking art, i've had my bell rung a couple of times, never had a concussion, but have had cracked ribs, broken toes, etc. Your experience will depend on the school and the instructors though. If you have a good one you'll be pretty safe, injuries do happen though.

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