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[PA Comic] Wednesday, December 3, 2014 - Thy Rod And Thy Staff

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image[PA Comic] Wednesday, December 3, 2014 - Thy Rod And Thy Staff

Thy Rod And Thy Staff

Thy Rod And Thy Staff

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    Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    The entire dating sim mini-game thing in Dragon Age is a little weird.

    "I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Hah. Yeh, there was always this kinda undertone to starting romances with the crew in Mass Effect. It wasn't so bad in 2 and 3, but in 1 you're their boss! A lot of em are aliens, only allowed on board because of Shep's intervention, how are you supposed to say no to the guy/gal that can just kick you the fuck out with no repercussions? At least Shepherd couldn't just alter their feelings with a wave of his 'wand'. :P

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    GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    "Because of the... implication."

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    Hah. Yeh, there was always this kinda undertone to starting romances with the crew in Mass Effect. It wasn't so bad in 2 and 3, but in 1 you're their boss! A lot of em are aliens, only allowed on board because of Shep's intervention, how are you supposed to say no to the guy/gal that can just kick you the fuck out with no repercussions? At least Shepherd couldn't just alter their feelings with a wave of his 'wand'. :P

    I could only really pursue relationships with the aliens. Most of them don't really function as official crew--they stay around to help you out, but don't have to take orders from you. Actual Marines though? I found it utterly inappropriate. I accidentally started down the relationship with Ashley and immediately reverted to an old save because I was so squicked out. She's telling you that she's willing to work with aliens if he says so: "If you tell me to kiss a krogan, I'll ask which cheek." One of the responses was, "What about me?" Since it was bundled with other unrelated topics, I thought it was branching to a new topic of her opinion of me as a commander. But no, Shepard proceeds to ask her if she'd kiss him if he ordered her to.

    I never saw any of that awkwardness with Tali, though. She has no professional obligation to you--she's on board as a friend.

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    LinktmLinktm Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    It was basically the same in ME2 with Chambers. "Hey there glorified secretary, want to make out with your boss? What about dancing around in a swim suit?"

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    Jeremy23000Jeremy23000 Indie Developer Halifax, Nova Scotia, CanadaRegistered User regular
    I'm looking at all of my previous conversation choices in a new light now... I'm not sure I like this.

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    WhelmedWhelmed Registered User regular
    I guess I'm technically Cullen's boss but he only voted me into being his boss after I'd flirted my ass off with him beforehand so I feel like he knew where that boat was headed. If you don't want to go to Chicago, don't get on the train my friend.

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    OddfishOddfish On opposite weeks In odd numbered monthsRegistered User regular
    To be honest the flirting and similar social interactions are handled with a little more delicacy than in previous BioWare titles. When you flirt with someone you don't just blurt out "ARE YOU ATTRACTED TO ME, SEXUALLY?" It's almost as though the writing was done by someone with a sense of tact. Shepherd was always a bit of a bumbling imbecile when it came to intimate interactions.

    On the other hand, complexity in these "relationships" has still fallen woefully short of what most have come to expect from good fiction. Concepts like tension, jealousy, infatuation, and loss are either misrepresented or totally absent. I guess that's the problem with the companion approval/attraction system being basically a mini-game akin to finding a working Asteroids arcade console in the game world.

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    SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    Oddfish wrote: »
    To be honest the flirting and similar social interactions are handled with a little more delicacy than in previous BioWare titles. When you flirt with someone you don't just blurt out "ARE YOU ATTRACTED TO ME, SEXUALLY?" It's almost as though the writing was done by someone with a sense of tact. Shepherd was always a bit of a bumbling imbecile when it came to intimate interactions.

    On the other hand, complexity in these "relationships" has still fallen woefully short of what most have come to expect from good fiction. Concepts like tension, jealousy, infatuation, and loss are either misrepresented or totally absent. I guess that's the problem with the companion approval/attraction system being basically a mini-game akin to finding a working Asteroids arcade console in the game world.

    Some of the relationships in Inquisition have more complexity to them. Try Blackwall's.

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    YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    In Gabe's newspost, he talks about reading one of the Dragon Age books. He's not wrong, they are good in an general sense, not just for game adaptations. I've read all 3 of the novels and I think the one he read (Asunder) was easily the lesser of the three. I really liked the first 2, and thought Asunder was just ok. Also, I've never played any Dragon Age, so I think my opinion isn't especially biased.

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    suprachromatsuprachromat Registered User regular
    I flirted with Scout Harding every time the option came up. I have no regrets.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    In Skyrim, all you have to do is wear an amulet and they'll marry you.

    And soon they'll be cooking you meals and giving you money from their eBay business.

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    Spiffy McBangSpiffy McBang Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    I swear I'm playing a class swap of Tycho's character... warrior instead of mage, otherwise sounds the same. I was continually amused how she banged her head on the light fixture in the basement of the Haven Chantry.

    Anyway, it seemed less harass-y and more like my Inquisitor is oddly desperate. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive, of course. But because there are so many people you can flirt with, and with everyone (except possibly Sera) the Inquisitor's flirtatious comments come from out of nowhere, it's like she's thinking about how to get with everybody. Which is... odd.

    On the other hand, if they had other characters launching themselves at the Inquisitor, it could easily look like a nerd boy "everyone wants to blow me cuz I'm awesome" fantasy. Eh. The only thing I'm sure of is that all the romantic stuff in Bioware games remains a work in progress.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Dragon Age Inquisitions relationships/romances at least have some interesting intricacies generally absent from Biowares previous games. Not every character is attracted to the player by virtue of the fact they are the main character, which IMO is a grand improvement over their previous efforts. They also added pure lesbian/gay romances, which I also thought was pretty positive (as opposed to DA2s approach, where IIRC every character was bisexual, which felt a little bit of a cop out. In DA:I there are a range of characters with different preferences, some being bisexual, some straight, some homosexual and a couple only into specific races such as Elves (for example)). It does a lot to make them feel like actual characters with their own motivations and personalities as opposed to "Main character centric sex toys!!!!".

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    DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    I never saw any of that awkwardness with Tali, though. She has no professional obligation to you--she's on board as a friend fangirl.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    In Skyrim, all you have to do is wear an amulet and they'll marry you.

    And soon they'll be cooking you meals and giving you money from their eBay business.

    Honestly, in a world where 90% of the adults seem to have lost their spouse under tragic circumstances I'm not surprised the courtship process has been streamlined somewhat. Particularly when the one proposing to you hunts dragons for a living. You kinda go into a marriage like that expecting to be back in the dating scene in a few weeks.

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    suprachromatsuprachromat Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Honestly, in a world where 90% of the adults seem to have lost their spouse under tragic circumstances I'm not surprised the courtship process has been streamlined somewhat. Particularly when the one proposing to you hunts dragons for a living. You kinda go into a marriage like that expecting to be back in the dating scene in a few weeks.

    Actually I think it's more or less explained in exactly those terms in-game by the priest of Mara who gives you the marriage quest or whatnot. Makes perfect sense.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Honestly, in a world where 90% of the adults seem to have lost their spouse under tragic circumstances I'm not surprised the courtship process has been streamlined somewhat. Particularly when the one proposing to you hunts dragons for a living. You kinda go into a marriage like that expecting to be back in the dating scene in a few weeks.

    Actually I think it's more or less explained in exactly those terms in-game by the priest of Mara who gives you the marriage quest or whatnot. Makes perfect sense.

    You know, coming from somebody who has been playing a lot of the Shin Megami Tensei and Persona series over the past year, it's funny to me that someone is talking about Mara in this thread about this comic.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Honestly, in a world where 90% of the adults seem to have lost their spouse under tragic circumstances I'm not surprised the courtship process has been streamlined somewhat. Particularly when the one proposing to you hunts dragons for a living. You kinda go into a marriage like that expecting to be back in the dating scene in a few weeks.

    Actually I think it's more or less explained in exactly those terms in-game by the priest of Mara who gives you the marriage quest or whatnot. Makes perfect sense.

    Ha, that's true. I wonder if the spouses are sad that the Dragonborn keeps on truckin. "Man, when are they going to get eaten by a troll?"

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    Honestly, in a world where 90% of the adults seem to have lost their spouse under tragic circumstances I'm not surprised the courtship process has been streamlined somewhat. Particularly when the one proposing to you hunts dragons for a living. You kinda go into a marriage like that expecting to be back in the dating scene in a few weeks.

    Actually I think it's more or less explained in exactly those terms in-game by the priest of Mara who gives you the marriage quest or whatnot. Makes perfect sense.

    Ha, that's true. I wonder if the spouses are sad that the Dragonborn keeps on truckin. "Man, when are they going to get eaten by a troll?"

    Better than those clingy Fable spouses. "I'm leaving you! You infiltrated an evil prison for five years and didn't even say goodbye! Your son is a grown man now and has forgotten your face!" So high maintenance.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    Honestly, in a world where 90% of the adults seem to have lost their spouse under tragic circumstances I'm not surprised the courtship process has been streamlined somewhat. Particularly when the one proposing to you hunts dragons for a living. You kinda go into a marriage like that expecting to be back in the dating scene in a few weeks.

    Actually I think it's more or less explained in exactly those terms in-game by the priest of Mara who gives you the marriage quest or whatnot. Makes perfect sense.

    Ha, that's true. I wonder if the spouses are sad that the Dragonborn keeps on truckin. "Man, when are they going to get eaten by a troll?"

    "He sold the dishes, took all the gold, and left me here with nothing two pretty soul gems and a pile of old swords with terrible enchants. He better get eaten or I'll kill him when he gets home."


    When I play Skyrim, loot OCD makes me an awful spouse. Hell, it makes me an awful houseguest - let me spend the night and everything that's not nailed down will be at the pawnbroker in the morning.

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